WEBVTT 00:59:57.967 --> 01:00:01.827 Brought to you by Admin monitor.com. We'll begin momentarily 01:00:02.057 --> 01:00:14.148 Thank you for your patience. 01:00:14.148 --> 01:00:18.017 The feed. Welcome to the California Public Utilities 01:00:18.026 --> 01:00:20.878 Commission. Today's call is being recorded. If you 01:00:20.887 --> 01:00:24.238 object, you may disconnect at this time. Your honor 01:00:24.247 --> 01:00:27.186 you may begin. 01:00:27.186 --> 01:00:30.728 Thank you, operator. Um Can the court reporters please 01:00:30.737 --> 01:00:34.806 confirm they're ready to be in better judge? Thank 01:00:34.817 --> 01:00:38.768 you so much. Uh We are on the record. The commission 01:00:38.777 --> 01:00:43.116 will come to order today is November 20th 2023 and 01:00:43.126 --> 01:00:46.006 we're conducting the public participation hearing or 01:00:46.018 --> 01:00:50.737 PPH Remotely. My name is Rajan Mutia and I'm the administrative 01:00:50.747 --> 01:00:54.467 law judge or a LJ assigned to this proceeding. Commissioner 01:00:54.548 --> 01:00:57.366 Chroma is the assigned commissioner and she is with 01:00:57.376 --> 01:01:01.458 us today. Commissioner Chroma will address everyone 01:01:01.467 --> 01:01:06.477 shortly. I'd like to advise uh, before we start that 01:01:06.486 --> 01:01:11.117 the income based fixed charge, uh it's being considered 01:01:11.958 --> 01:01:16.067 before the commission in another proceeding rule making 01:01:16.078 --> 01:01:22.817 22-07 dash 005. And the public advisor's office in 01:01:22.828 --> 01:01:25.248 the, in the California Public Utilities Commission 01:01:25.358 --> 01:01:29.307 can assist you directly to participate. The public 01:01:29.317 --> 01:01:39.096 advisor's office. Phone number is 8668498390 and email 01:01:39.108 --> 01:01:45.138 address is public dot advisor at CPUC dot C a.gov. 01:01:47.067 --> 01:01:49.986 For those who took the time to call in today at 2 01:01:49.998 --> 01:01:53.748 p.m. Uh I'm sorry, I, I received your comments and 01:01:53.757 --> 01:01:56.757 will inform the assigned commissioner and the A LJ 01:01:56.766 --> 01:02:00.498 in that throw me of our transcript. When we start the 01:02:00.507 --> 01:02:05.167 public comment period, I would like to first take customers 01:02:05.177 --> 01:02:08.708 who have comments specific to this proceeding which 01:02:08.716 --> 01:02:13.076 which is if each need general PP two at the end of 01:02:13.087 --> 01:02:18.637 that time period, uh commenters uh may then uh make 01:02:18.647 --> 01:02:21.568 public comment on other matters including the income 01:02:21.576 --> 01:02:25.996 fixed, the income, graduated fixed term. Please note 01:02:26.008 --> 01:02:28.708 that this PPH is being recorded and is available on 01:02:28.716 --> 01:02:31.818 our website. If you do not wish to be recorded, please 01:02:31.826 --> 01:02:34.427 disconnect now 01:02:34.427 --> 01:02:37.818 this is the time and place for the PPH pertaining to 01:02:37.826 --> 01:02:42.937 application 23-01 dash 008. The application of San 01:02:42.948 --> 01:02:46.236 Diego Gas and Electric Company that requests the mission 01:02:46.246 --> 01:02:51.326 approval of its rate design proposal for electric service 01:02:51.337 --> 01:02:57.818 for 2024 to 2027. On January 17th, 2023 San Diego Gas 01:02:57.826 --> 01:03:03.198 and Electric filed its application the application 01:03:03.246 --> 01:03:07.068 um for its general red case phase two in this application 01:03:07.728 --> 01:03:13.008 um Stge seeks to adopt proposed rates starting on January 01:03:13.016 --> 01:03:18.127 1st 2024. Genie requested one extending the weekday 01:03:18.137 --> 01:03:22.168 super hospital peak time period, uh time of use period 01:03:22.337 --> 01:03:25.087 the period of day when S BT time of use rates are 01:03:25.097 --> 01:03:29.407 the lowest to include additional hours from 10 a.m. 01:03:29.418 --> 01:03:34.657 to 2 p.m. to be extended year round. Number two, um 01:03:35.347 --> 01:03:38.288 introducing a new rate class for medium sized commercial 01:03:38.296 --> 01:03:41.187 customers providing rates that are more aligned with 01:03:41.198 --> 01:03:44.867 these customers costs of service and three adopting 01:03:44.877 --> 01:03:48.087 rates that better reflect the cost of providing service 01:03:48.097 --> 01:03:53.668 for customers. Among other rate design changes es proposal 01:03:53.677 --> 01:03:58.766 would decrease average residential rates by 0.1%. Decrease 01:03:58.777 --> 01:04:02.948 average small commercial rates by 0.2% decrease average 01:04:02.958 --> 01:04:07.157 large commercial and industrial rates by 1.1% and increase 01:04:07.168 --> 01:04:12.496 average agricultural customer rates by 1.3%. 01:04:12.496 --> 01:04:16.256 This application does not propose the adoption of the 01:04:16.267 --> 01:04:20.428 income graduated fixed charge which is now under consideration 01:04:20.438 --> 01:04:27.546 in rulemaking 22-07 dash 005. As noted earlier, please 01:04:27.558 --> 01:04:34.566 contact public advisor's office at 8668498390 or by 01:04:34.577 --> 01:04:40.027 email at public dot advisor at C pc.gov. If you would 01:04:40.037 --> 01:04:43.248 like to provide public comments 01:04:43.248 --> 01:04:49.537 on February 23 2023 A LJ resolution 176-3522 was issued 01:04:49.546 --> 01:04:52.657 and found that this proceeding was rate making on February 01:04:52.667 --> 01:04:55.986 27th. The commission, the Commission Public Public 01:04:56.017 --> 01:05:00.438 Advocates Office or Advocates Utility reform Network 01:05:00.486 --> 01:05:04.587 San Diego Community Power Clean Energy Line Utility 01:05:04.597 --> 01:05:07.917 Consumers Action Network, California Farm Bureau Federation 01:05:08.308 --> 01:05:12.027 Solar Energy Industries Association and the Center 01:05:12.037 --> 01:05:15.566 for Access Technology reviewed and filed protests in 01:05:15.577 --> 01:05:19.667 the application on March 8th, 2023 San Diego Gas and 01:05:19.678 --> 01:05:22.736 Electric Company filed a reply to the public protest 01:05:23.558 --> 01:05:26.717 A pre hearing conference was conducted for this proceeding 01:05:26.727 --> 01:05:30.077 on May 8th and a scoping memo was issued on June 5th 01:05:30.087 --> 01:05:34.986 2023 on September 29th, 2023. San Diego Gas and Electric 01:05:34.998 --> 01:05:38.967 Company served supplemental and revised direct testimony 01:05:39.977 --> 01:05:42.316 If you'd like more details about this application. 01:05:42.327 --> 01:05:50.717 A fact sheet is available at www dot CPUC dot C a.gov/tph 01:05:51.438 --> 01:05:54.136 as noted earlier, Commissioner Shoma is with us today 01:05:54.868 --> 01:05:57.248 Commissioner. Would you like to make some opening remarks 01:05:59.287 --> 01:06:03.756 Yes. Uh Judge Mutal, thank you so much and good evening 01:06:03.767 --> 01:06:08.597 everyone. Uh My name is Genevieve Sharo. My pronouns 01:06:08.607 --> 01:06:13.087 are she her? Uh I am the assigned commissioner for 01:06:13.097 --> 01:06:16.128 this proceeding. I'm pleased to join uh Judge Raja 01:06:17.046 --> 01:06:20.717 Luciano today and this is for the San Diego Gas Electric 01:06:21.178 --> 01:06:26.157 General Ray case phase two proceeding. I'm gonna repeat 01:06:26.438 --> 01:06:32.546 a little bit of what Judge Luciano said that this um 01:06:32.558 --> 01:06:37.248 meeting tonight um is not about the income based fixed 01:06:37.256 --> 01:06:41.777 charge which is being assessed in a separate proceeding 01:06:42.678 --> 01:06:50.577 Its rule making 22 07005. This proceeding is, is that 01:06:51.517 --> 01:06:56.147 in the phase one, the operating expenses and the resources 01:06:56.157 --> 01:07:00.006 needed for San Diego Gas Electrics were previously 01:07:00.017 --> 01:07:03.787 approved. This proceeding is looking at how do those 01:07:03.796 --> 01:07:07.347 resources get divided up amongst the different customer 01:07:07.357 --> 01:07:13.897 classes? Uh So, uh meanwhile, as Judge Mal has outlined 01:07:13.907 --> 01:07:19.248 the how we will conduct the public hearing. Uh and 01:07:19.417 --> 01:07:23.378 uh, we will uh be listening very carefully and intently 01:07:24.037 --> 01:07:28.628 Uh And overall, I'll be working with Judge Muzo and 01:07:28.636 --> 01:07:33.378 carefully considering San Diego's proposal for how 01:07:33.386 --> 01:07:36.428 to divide up the resources and offering expenditures 01:07:36.438 --> 01:07:38.857 and looks to different classifications that phase two 01:07:38.868 --> 01:07:42.886 proceedings towards assuring that customer bills reflect 01:07:42.897 --> 01:07:47.196 quality energy service. We at the Public Utilities 01:07:47.208 --> 01:07:51.357 Commission, well, with the judge commissioner proceedings 01:07:51.368 --> 01:07:56.327 numbers and so forth, it, it is uh driven by how our 01:07:56.337 --> 01:07:59.816 statutes are constructed. It's a very formal process 01:08:00.217 --> 01:08:03.196 In the meantime, we take public participation very 01:08:03.208 --> 01:08:06.577 seriously. We work to ensure that you, the customers 01:08:06.587 --> 01:08:09.808 have ample opportunity to understand the proceedings 01:08:10.058 --> 01:08:13.337 that affect you and to voice any comments, questions 01:08:13.347 --> 01:08:18.438 or concerns. So today, you have an opportunity, we 01:08:18.446 --> 01:08:21.188 have an opportunity to hear from the San Diego Gas 01:08:21.248 --> 01:08:25.357 Elective representatives as well as our CPUC Public 01:08:25.368 --> 01:08:28.647 Advocates Office about the general rate case. Phase 01:08:28.657 --> 01:08:31.837 two application that view of the public will have an 01:08:31.846 --> 01:08:35.136 opportunity to share your comments questions or concerns 01:08:35.766 --> 01:08:39.197 the Public Advocate's office is an independent office 01:08:39.208 --> 01:08:42.898 within the CPUC that scrutinizes applications like 01:08:42.908 --> 01:08:47.087 this. I look forward to hearing from everyone. Um Before 01:08:47.097 --> 01:08:50.028 I turn the mark from back to judge Mutal, I would like 01:08:50.038 --> 01:08:54.016 to thank uh this evening's court reporters, Doris Swan 01:08:54.217 --> 01:08:57.398 and Sharon Ross winters who are working very hard to 01:08:57.408 --> 01:09:01.788 cover everything we say. To assure that public patient 01:09:01.798 --> 01:09:05.458 hearing is fully chronicled to be entered into the 01:09:05.467 --> 01:09:10.246 record for the COC phase two. Uh I also want to thank 01:09:10.256 --> 01:09:13.386 Claudia Sanchez from our public, a advisor's office 01:09:13.398 --> 01:09:16.947 different than the applicants advisor's office. Uh 01:09:16.958 --> 01:09:19.927 who is assured that these meetings were scheduled. 01:09:20.187 --> 01:09:23.148 And we also have information technology folks who are 01:09:23.158 --> 01:09:26.668 making this Webex possible and appreciate all of their 01:09:26.677 --> 01:09:30.717 efforts. So thank you and back to you, judge. Thank 01:09:30.727 --> 01:09:34.386 you, Commissioner Shoma. Um Before we start, I'd like 01:09:34.398 --> 01:09:36.886 to give you a brief overview of what the California 01:09:36.898 --> 01:09:40.996 Public Utilities Commission for CPUC is and what we 01:09:41.006 --> 01:09:45.587 do. The C PE C. The CPUC is a state agency that 01:09:45.597 --> 01:09:48.298 regulates privately owned utilities like SAN diesel 01:09:48.307 --> 01:09:51.427 gas, electric companies that provide essential services 01:09:51.437 --> 01:09:56.148 such as electric, gas and water. There are five commissioners 01:09:56.158 --> 01:10:00.048 at the CPUC. These five commissioners will be the people 01:10:00.057 --> 01:10:04.477 who vote and decide on the application. My role is 01:10:04.487 --> 01:10:07.987 to um, as the assigned commissioner, I'm sorry, as 01:10:07.996 --> 01:10:12.256 the assigned law administrative law judge in this case 01:10:12.626 --> 01:10:16.307 is to review the application based on the evidence 01:10:16.317 --> 01:10:19.737 that is presented. I will write a proposed decision 01:10:19.927 --> 01:10:23.847 for the commissioners to consider. Commissioners will 01:10:23.857 --> 01:10:27.298 vote to adopt my proposed decision or an alternate 01:10:27.307 --> 01:10:31.788 decision if put forth by commissioner, evidentiary 01:10:31.798 --> 01:10:35.778 hearings are scheduled for this application but may 01:10:35.788 --> 01:10:38.898 not be needed at this time. It is expected that these 01:10:38.908 --> 01:10:42.447 hearings will be conducted remotely although hearings 01:10:42.458 --> 01:10:45.756 are tentatively set, it is possible that the parties 01:10:45.766 --> 01:10:48.898 may settle this matter prior to the date of hearing 01:10:49.557 --> 01:10:52.677 if they do settle, the commission will evaluate whether 01:10:52.687 --> 01:10:55.587 to adopt the settlement agreement or portions thereof 01:10:57.087 --> 01:10:59.386 Currently, there are 12 parties in this proceeding 01:10:59.766 --> 01:11:03.737 The parties include the Utility Reform Network, City 01:11:03.746 --> 01:11:07.648 of San Diego, San Diego Community Power Clean Energy 01:11:07.658 --> 01:11:12.567 Line City and County Street Lighting Association, Utility 01:11:12.577 --> 01:11:16.817 Consumer Action Network, California Farm Bureau Federation 01:11:17.798 --> 01:11:21.626 Federal Executive Agencies, small Business Utility 01:11:21.636 --> 01:11:26.616 Advocates, Solar Energy Industries Association, the 01:11:26.626 --> 01:11:29.746 Center for Accessible Technology and the Commission's 01:11:29.756 --> 01:11:33.687 Public Advocates office, the Public Advocate's Office 01:11:34.477 --> 01:11:38.077 as Commissioner Shlain is an independent branch within 01:11:38.087 --> 01:11:41.898 the CPUC who work to represent the interests of the 01:11:41.908 --> 01:11:45.798 ratepayers in proceedings like this. They do not work 01:11:45.807 --> 01:11:48.727 for me or the commission. 01:11:48.727 --> 01:11:53.506 I will now explain the purpose of the PPH. As Commissioner 01:11:53.516 --> 01:11:56.648 Sharma highlighted earlier, we are here today to listen 01:11:56.658 --> 01:11:59.746 to your comments on San Diego Gas and Electric Company's 01:11:59.756 --> 01:12:03.996 application to seek commission approval of their proposed 01:12:04.006 --> 01:12:07.168 rate. We want to hear about how the application will 01:12:07.177 --> 01:12:12.288 impact you, your family and your community as the saying 01:12:12.418 --> 01:12:15.577 you gas and electric company customer, your comments 01:12:15.587 --> 01:12:19.057 will help the CPUC gather information to determine 01:12:19.067 --> 01:12:23.256 whether to grant or modify the application. In addition 01:12:23.266 --> 01:12:26.807 to considering the comments received here today, we 01:12:26.817 --> 01:12:30.256 will also consider all comments that have been submitted 01:12:30.266 --> 01:12:33.708 electronically or by other means of this proceeding 01:12:35.148 --> 01:12:38.116 If you would like to provide a public comment may do 01:12:38.126 --> 01:12:47.126 so by calling 808 571917 entering pass code 6032788 01:12:48.847 --> 01:12:53.427 hashtag then pressing star one to your phone and recording 01:12:53.437 --> 01:12:58.337 your name and location. When properly you're a public 01:12:58.347 --> 01:13:01.947 official. We state your title in addition to your name 01:13:01.958 --> 01:13:05.607 and location, the operator will maintain the key of 01:13:05.616 --> 01:13:10.437 public comment or and announce when your name is when 01:13:10.447 --> 01:13:13.577 you are ready to speak. 01:13:13.577 --> 01:13:16.067 I will not be answering questions about the application 01:13:16.077 --> 01:13:19.246 here today as the purpose of this PPH is to obtain 01:13:19.256 --> 01:13:23.158 public comments from you about the application. However 01:13:23.168 --> 01:13:25.876 if you have a customer specific question, such as the 01:13:25.886 --> 01:13:29.097 question about your bill or service, we have a customer 01:13:29.107 --> 01:13:32.347 service representative available from San Diego Gas 01:13:32.366 --> 01:13:36.126 and Electric Company that you may call and direct your 01:13:36.136 --> 01:13:40.587 specific question to you may reach Carla Jones by calling 01:13:40.597 --> 01:13:48.648 858636 3850. Now I'm going to go over some ground ground 01:13:49.528 --> 01:13:52.697 Court reporters will be transcribing everything that 01:13:52.708 --> 01:13:55.987 is said here today. Please remember to speak slowly 01:13:55.996 --> 01:13:59.097 and clearly as the court reporters have the difficult 01:13:59.107 --> 01:14:02.366 job of taking down everything that is said here today 01:14:02.977 --> 01:14:06.607 only 1% at a time can speak as the court reporters 01:14:06.616 --> 01:14:10.557 are unable to transcribe an accurate record when more 01:14:10.567 --> 01:14:14.197 than one person is speaking. Avoid using your speakerphone 01:14:14.208 --> 01:14:17.197 When you're providing comments, we will hear you best 01:14:17.208 --> 01:14:21.158 to speak directly to your phone or headsets. The first 01:14:21.168 --> 01:14:24.866 time you speak, please state and spell your name to 01:14:24.876 --> 01:14:28.028 ensure that we have an accurate record. It may be necessary 01:14:28.038 --> 01:14:31.136 for the cob reporter to interrupt a speaker. If something's 01:14:31.148 --> 01:14:35.876 not understandable after this public participation 01:14:35.886 --> 01:14:38.538 hearing is over, the court reporters will prepare a 01:14:38.548 --> 01:14:42.217 written transcript of this hearing. This cran will 01:14:42.227 --> 01:14:45.557 be provided to myself and the five commission. And 01:14:45.567 --> 01:14:49.898 as I said earlier, to the extent that there are comments 01:14:50.298 --> 01:14:54.437 that are being considered under proceeding will provide 01:14:54.687 --> 01:15:01.107 um the office and yeah, with the transcript and so 01:15:01.116 --> 01:15:06.227 that they can have that in hand to review 01:15:06.227 --> 01:15:09.528 additionally will be available to the public and will 01:15:09.538 --> 01:15:13.458 be posted to the doca con proceedings. We will now 01:15:13.467 --> 01:15:16.496 have a brief presentation from the party as it relates 01:15:16.506 --> 01:15:19.977 to that to the their application and their protest 01:15:20.817 --> 01:15:24.778 at this time, any gas and electric will give its brief 01:15:24.788 --> 01:15:30.187 presentation. 01:15:30.187 --> 01:15:35.006 Thank you, AJ Nuccio. Good evening. My name is Gwen 01:15:35.016 --> 01:15:38.307 Morgan. I'm the great strategy and design manager of 01:15:38.317 --> 01:15:42.006 customer pricing for San Diego Gas and Electric. I'd 01:15:42.016 --> 01:15:44.807 like to thank the commission for hosting today's hearing 01:15:44.817 --> 01:15:47.577 and thank our customers and community members for their 01:15:47.587 --> 01:15:50.908 participation in this hearing. We look forward to hearing 01:15:50.918 --> 01:15:55.187 from each of you and value your feedback. First, I 01:15:55.197 --> 01:15:58.158 would like to note that this application does not include 01:15:58.168 --> 01:16:01.208 a fixed charge, proposal, comments on the fixed charge 01:16:01.217 --> 01:16:04.057 proceeding can be submitted on the CPU CS website. 01:16:05.427 --> 01:16:08.386 Now let me take a few minutes to give a brief overview 01:16:08.398 --> 01:16:11.616 of our general rate case phase two application. The 01:16:11.626 --> 01:16:16.097 focus of today's hearing, this is a routine application 01:16:16.107 --> 01:16:19.737 that happens every four years in this application, 01:16:19.908 --> 01:16:24.278 SCG and E is not asking for more revenue. Our phase 01:16:24.288 --> 01:16:27.197 two application does not change the amount of money 01:16:27.208 --> 01:16:30.766 we will collect. This application is solely focused 01:16:30.778 --> 01:16:34.246 on evaluating how our costs are allocated and collected 01:16:34.266 --> 01:16:37.727 from our different groups of customers. 01:16:37.727 --> 01:16:41.197 Energy affordability is top of mind for SDG and E as 01:16:41.208 --> 01:16:44.616 we try to balance California's ambitious climate goals 01:16:44.626 --> 01:16:47.977 with the need to keep electricity affordable. The great 01:16:47.987 --> 01:16:51.057 design process which is central to this application 01:16:51.148 --> 01:16:54.607 is about striking the right balance. There are two 01:16:54.616 --> 01:16:57.528 aspects of this application that I will touch on briefly 01:16:59.266 --> 01:17:03.838 first expanding daytime super off peak hours or hours 01:17:03.848 --> 01:17:06.497 of the day when our time of use, electricity rates 01:17:06.507 --> 01:17:10.517 are the lowest. Notably, the proposal would add four 01:17:10.526 --> 01:17:14.046 additional hours of super off peak pricing from 10 01:17:14.056 --> 01:17:18.397 a.m. to two pm year round, incentivizing electricity 01:17:18.407 --> 01:17:21.647 usage when solar electricity is being generated and 01:17:21.657 --> 01:17:24.257 provide additional hours for customers to shift their 01:17:24.267 --> 01:17:28.838 usage and to save second, establishing a new medium 01:17:28.848 --> 01:17:33.066 commercial customer class today, SCG and E has one 01:17:33.076 --> 01:17:35.878 customer group for all medium and large commercial 01:17:35.888 --> 01:17:39.727 and industrial customers. Dividing this class by size 01:17:39.747 --> 01:17:43.157 will allow SDG and E to design pricing for each group 01:17:43.167 --> 01:17:46.128 of commercial customers that better aligns with how 01:17:46.138 --> 01:17:48.657 it uses energy. 01:17:48.657 --> 01:17:51.657 For those of you here today. You may be wondering how 01:17:51.667 --> 01:17:55.276 this application might impact you if you receive your 01:17:55.286 --> 01:17:57.967 electric generation from an energy service provider 01:17:57.977 --> 01:18:01.477 that is not SDG and E you are considered an unbundled 01:18:01.487 --> 01:18:06.378 customer. If this application is approved by the CPUC 01:18:06.816 --> 01:18:09.858 the average residential monthly bill for a typical 01:18:09.868 --> 01:18:14.007 unbundled customer using 400 kilowatt hours per month 01:18:14.326 --> 01:18:19.806 would decrease by about $4 or 4% per month in 2024 01:18:21.286 --> 01:18:24.208 If you receive your electric generation from STG and 01:18:24.237 --> 01:18:28.757 E, you are considered a bundled customer. If this application 01:18:28.767 --> 01:18:32.348 is approved by the CPUC, the average residential monthly 01:18:32.358 --> 01:18:36.598 bill for a typical bundle customer using 400 kilowatt 01:18:36.608 --> 01:18:42.138 hours per month would decrease by about $8.60 or approximately 01:18:42.147 --> 01:18:47.007 5% per month in 2024. 01:18:47.007 --> 01:18:50.257 I'd like to let everyone know that we have an FCC and 01:18:50.276 --> 01:18:53.076 representative available who can help customers with 01:18:53.088 --> 01:18:55.747 their billing questions. During this public participation 01:18:55.757 --> 01:18:59.628 hearing. If you have a billing question, please call 01:18:59.638 --> 01:19:03.647 the number that is shown on the screen. 01:19:03.647 --> 01:19:06.958 This concludes my prepared remarks and I'd like to 01:19:06.967 --> 01:19:09.747 thank everyone again for being here and we look forward 01:19:09.757 --> 01:19:14.026 to your comments. Thank you. 01:19:14.026 --> 01:19:17.138 Think fit more in the commission's Public Advocate's 01:19:17.147 --> 01:19:21.816 office will now give their presentation 01:19:21.816 --> 01:19:26.197 your honor. Good evening. My name is Crystal Yu. I'm 01:19:26.208 --> 01:19:29.467 the attorney representing the Public Advocates Office 01:19:29.477 --> 01:19:33.958 at the Commission also known as C Advocate. I will 01:19:33.967 --> 01:19:37.556 briefly present the mission of C Advocates, the role 01:19:37.566 --> 01:19:43.638 of C Advocates in this SDGNE general rate case phase 01:19:43.647 --> 01:19:47.556 two proceedings and the main issues that we have focused 01:19:47.566 --> 01:19:51.987 on and investigated. Car Advocates is an independent 01:19:51.997 --> 01:19:55.838 office within the commission. We have staff with a 01:19:55.848 --> 01:20:00.368 variety of backgrounds and expertise including engineering 01:20:00.378 --> 01:20:05.217 economics, accounting and finance. The public utilities 01:20:05.227 --> 01:20:09.826 code provides for C Advocates mission which is to obtain 01:20:09.838 --> 01:20:13.598 the lowest possible rate or service consistent with 01:20:13.608 --> 01:20:18.546 reliable and safe service levels. To achieve that mission 01:20:18.556 --> 01:20:23.407 C advocates uh uh participate in various CPUC proceedings 01:20:23.427 --> 01:20:27.447 workshops and other forum with significant impacts 01:20:27.458 --> 01:20:31.937 on repayers in this proceeding. And in a workshop, 01:20:31.987 --> 01:20:36.056 we address issues of consumer protection, development 01:20:36.066 --> 01:20:39.897 of fair rules for competition and other significant 01:20:39.907 --> 01:20:44.858 policy issues. We also focus on service quality rich 01:20:44.868 --> 01:20:49.806 levels and rate of return on cost of capital. So in 01:20:49.816 --> 01:20:53.267 this uh general rate case phase two proceeding, car 01:20:53.526 --> 01:20:57.076 advocates are investigating several issues with significant 01:20:57.088 --> 01:21:02.477 impact. The first topic is marginal cost under this 01:21:02.487 --> 01:21:06.917 category cost. Causation is determined for procuring 01:21:06.927 --> 01:21:11.076 additional energy and generation capacity and accommodating 01:21:11.088 --> 01:21:15.177 additional demand on the distribution system. It also 01:21:15.187 --> 01:21:19.927 covers customer access which includes the cost of connecting 01:21:19.937 --> 01:21:24.098 an additional customer to the electrical grid. The 01:21:24.108 --> 01:21:28.727 next topic is marginal cost revenue allocation which 01:21:28.737 --> 01:21:32.257 assigns revenue responsibility to customer classes 01:21:32.348 --> 01:21:37.358 based on each classes, marginal cost. The last last 01:21:37.368 --> 01:21:42.108 topic is redesign. Car advocate is examining S CJ ES 01:21:42.118 --> 01:21:45.727 residential redesign proposal to change the time of 01:21:45.737 --> 01:21:49.717 use period for customers on standard time of use and 01:21:49.727 --> 01:21:53.556 to eliminate seasonal rate differentials. Car advocates 01:21:53.566 --> 01:21:58.608 is also examining seges small commercial redesign proposal 01:21:58.618 --> 01:22:02.838 including fixed charge costs. C Advocates will prepare 01:22:02.848 --> 01:22:06.046 test money to report its findings after conducting 01:22:06.056 --> 01:22:09.098 discovery and we will make the test money available 01:22:09.108 --> 01:22:12.628 to the public. Thank you. That concludes my comment 01:22:14.767 --> 01:22:18.407 Thank you, Miss Hugh. We'll now hear from the public 01:22:19.388 --> 01:22:21.727 Please try to keep your comments in more than three 01:22:21.737 --> 01:22:26.407 minutes. As a reminder, I may limit the time you may 01:22:26.417 --> 01:22:29.267 speak based on the number of commenters. This will 01:22:29.276 --> 01:22:32.917 help to ensure that we are able to get all the colors 01:22:33.786 --> 01:22:38.618 in a timely manner. Um 01:22:38.618 --> 01:22:42.056 As a reminder, I would like to first take commenters 01:22:42.066 --> 01:22:47.947 on SGSTGES General phase two proceedings. Also, if 01:22:47.958 --> 01:22:52.667 you have spoken at the 222 P MP ph, I would please 01:22:52.677 --> 01:22:56.897 please allow other speakers to provide comments before 01:22:56.907 --> 01:23:01.958 you. Um At this time, I'd like to ask the operator 01:23:02.306 --> 01:23:06.036 how many calls do we have in the queue? We currently 01:23:06.046 --> 01:23:10.556 have five public commoners in the queue. Thank you 01:23:11.888 --> 01:23:15.066 And we are ready to start hearing from members of the 01:23:15.076 --> 01:23:18.447 public operator. Are there any public officials on 01:23:18.458 --> 01:23:22.108 the line? We currently have no public officials. Your 01:23:22.118 --> 01:23:28.368 honor on the line. Thank you, operator. Uh Please announce 01:23:28.378 --> 01:23:32.497 the first commenter. Thank you. Our first public comment 01:23:32.507 --> 01:23:35.737 comes from Kristen Cardin Kristen. Your line is open 01:23:38.708 --> 01:23:42.046 Hello, thank you. Um Yeah, I would like to discuss 01:23:42.056 --> 01:23:48.608 the table one from the rate index hosted by SPG and 01:23:48.618 --> 01:23:54.487 E where it explains that the large commercial and industrial 01:23:54.796 --> 01:23:59.208 percentage average rate change will decrease by 2.4% 01:23:59.826 --> 01:24:05.417 Yet the agriculture price rate will increase by 2.7% 01:24:05.897 --> 01:24:10.576 My concern here is the cost of food going into the 01:24:10.588 --> 01:24:15.526 future. The consumer price index as of late has gone 01:24:15.536 --> 01:24:20.388 up at least 20 points uh which could equate to roughly 01:24:20.397 --> 01:24:25.667 10 to 15%. So my concern again is how will this affect 01:24:25.858 --> 01:24:29.638 the price and cost of food based on the increased price 01:24:29.647 --> 01:24:38.657 rate for agriculture? Thank you. 01:24:38.657 --> 01:24:40.767 Um 01:24:40.767 --> 01:24:49.247 I guess my question here at this stage. Um Is 01:24:49.247 --> 01:24:54.338 the SDG need reps available? You 01:24:54.338 --> 01:24:59.007 um briefly refer to this question or provide guidance 01:24:59.017 --> 01:25:02.598 on how this commenter can then maybe obtain additional 01:25:02.608 --> 01:25:06.826 information outside of this. PPH regarding his question 01:25:12.947 --> 01:25:17.368 Yes, this is Glenn Maureen from Sdge. Um Any specific 01:25:17.378 --> 01:25:21.927 questions can be directed to Genevieve booklet. Um 01:25:21.937 --> 01:25:28.917 Her email address is shown on the screen GB UC SI T 01:25:29.066 --> 01:25:34.888 at sdge.com. 01:25:34.888 --> 01:25:37.348 Take you this more in 01:25:37.348 --> 01:25:39.388 um 01:25:39.388 --> 01:25:44.816 And let's proceed to the next commenter operator or 01:25:44.967 --> 01:25:47.017 present 01:25:47.017 --> 01:25:49.717 thing. You, our next public comment comes from Ken 01:25:49.967 --> 01:25:54.217 Gardo, Ken. Your line is open 01:25:54.217 --> 01:25:58.227 uh Good evening. Thank you for taking the time to um 01:25:58.237 --> 01:26:03.066 put this on and listen to our comments. Um I have a 01:26:03.076 --> 01:26:08.208 couple of comments. Uh First of all being that 01:26:08.208 --> 01:26:12.747 again, when we see uh average rate and you say that 01:26:12.757 --> 01:26:16.326 SDG and E bundled customers will see a bigger reduction 01:26:16.338 --> 01:26:21.108 than their non bundled customers. Um That seems kind 01:26:21.118 --> 01:26:26.167 of unfair just from a reasonable uh standpoint that 01:26:26.326 --> 01:26:29.608 all customers, regardless of whether they buy their 01:26:30.477 --> 01:26:35.937 power um generation from SDGE or from another source 01:26:36.197 --> 01:26:39.618 um Why they should be treated unfairly. My second is 01:26:39.628 --> 01:26:45.417 the comment on SD gen e uh changing the uh super off 01:26:45.427 --> 01:26:49.227 peak time of use on the weekends. Um and basically 01:26:49.237 --> 01:26:53.638 making it the same as during the week. Um when we can 01:26:53.647 --> 01:27:00.526 see that if we can, power usage is different and SDGE 01:27:00.536 --> 01:27:04.477 pays a flat rate in their contract regardless of time 01:27:04.487 --> 01:27:07.197 of day 01:27:07.197 --> 01:27:09.987 or excuse me, not regardless of the time of day, but 01:27:10.128 --> 01:27:15.977 regardless of the day of the week or um super off peak 01:27:16.026 --> 01:27:20.657 off peak and on peak power. So to uh change that around 01:27:20.667 --> 01:27:24.677 again, seems a bit uh not fair or reasonable. And the 01:27:24.687 --> 01:27:30.427 final is um you know, currently SDGE charges a different 01:27:30.437 --> 01:27:36.556 rate, total price for power transmission uh during 01:27:36.566 --> 01:27:40.927 the summer, which is uh you know, March, excuse me 01:27:40.937 --> 01:27:44.757 April 1st to October 31st and then a different rate 01:27:44.767 --> 01:27:48.556 a little higher rate, I think uh for the final four 01:27:48.566 --> 01:27:51.947 months. And to say, well, we're gonna merge that into 01:27:51.958 --> 01:27:58.056 an average uh flat rate again, seems a bit uh not fair 01:27:58.066 --> 01:28:01.368 or reasonable because the summer time is when most 01:28:01.378 --> 01:28:04.276 customers use their most energy. And that's when they're 01:28:04.286 --> 01:28:07.776 paying the lowest uh rate for the transmission of that 01:28:07.786 --> 01:28:11.517 energy. And that's eight months out of the year and 01:28:11.526 --> 01:28:13.397 then four months out of the year. Yes, we pay a higher 01:28:13.407 --> 01:28:17.657 rate but we're using less energy typically. So to just 01:28:17.667 --> 01:28:22.868 say, oh ok. Yes, we admit that transmission of energy 01:28:22.878 --> 01:28:26.237 it should be a flat rate because it's being transmitted 01:28:26.247 --> 01:28:28.306 over the same power lines regardless of the time of 01:28:28.316 --> 01:28:33.267 year. And the cost of that is the cost of the infrastructure 01:28:33.276 --> 01:28:37.306 and maintenance of the infrastructure and uh the amortized 01:28:37.838 --> 01:28:39.987 or excuse me, depreciated cost of the infrastructure 01:28:39.997 --> 01:28:45.816 So, um but to just simply say, oh, it's, we're gonna 01:28:45.826 --> 01:28:48.767 average the two current rates and come up with this 01:28:48.776 --> 01:28:52.296 middle rate. Uh again and say that you're not going 01:28:52.306 --> 01:28:56.098 to be paying more is pretty disingenuous and that's 01:28:56.108 --> 01:28:59.977 all I have for my public comment. Thank you 01:28:59.977 --> 01:29:03.007 this morning. Do you have any response to the commentary 01:29:03.017 --> 01:29:06.907 questions or could you refer him to someone who could 01:29:06.917 --> 01:29:16.747 provide additional information 01:29:16.747 --> 01:29:21.128 if, if individuals uh customers do have specific questions 01:29:21.138 --> 01:29:23.907 Um I think we're happy to answer those if he could 01:29:23.917 --> 01:29:27.737 just direct those questions in writing to our regulatory 01:29:27.747 --> 01:29:31.407 case manager's name who's on the screen. Um We'd be 01:29:31.417 --> 01:29:36.677 happy to get back to that customer. 01:29:36.677 --> 01:29:41.237 Thank you this morning and thank you. Um uh thank you 01:29:41.247 --> 01:29:44.477 to the prior commenter um for providing that comment 01:29:44.796 --> 01:29:48.348 um operator. Um Could you please introduce the next 01:29:48.358 --> 01:29:53.407 commenter? And uh again, could you please um state 01:29:53.417 --> 01:29:58.197 your name before you speak. Thank you. Our next public 01:29:58.208 --> 01:30:00.848 comment comes from Kathy. Kathy. Can you please give 01:30:00.858 --> 01:30:04.747 us your first and last name again, please? Cathy Hauser 01:30:08.878 --> 01:30:11.628 Can you hear me? 01:30:11.628 --> 01:30:26.868 I can hear you. Ok. 01:30:26.868 --> 01:30:31.687 Do you want me to proceed or? No? Ok. Um So I'm 01:30:31.697 --> 01:30:35.507 I'm kind of new to this. I just was hearing this story 01:30:35.517 --> 01:30:39.088 on the news the last couple of weeks. Um I have a 01:30:39.098 --> 01:30:43.237 fairly high household income, but I'm a single parent 01:30:43.247 --> 01:30:47.378 with three kids in college out of four. 01:30:47.378 --> 01:30:52.477 and I couldn't afford my utility bills even last winter 01:30:53.388 --> 01:30:59.167 So I'm not a fan of me being, you know, tax at 01:30:59.177 --> 01:31:02.036 a higher level or build at a higher level strictly 01:31:02.046 --> 01:31:04.958 because of my income. 01:31:04.958 --> 01:31:07.897 If, if people can't afford the utilities in California 01:31:07.907 --> 01:31:10.776 just like I can't, then they have to move. I don't 01:31:10.786 --> 01:31:14.536 understand why I would pay three or four times what 01:31:14.546 --> 01:31:17.687 somebody else pays strictly because of my income level 01:31:17.878 --> 01:31:21.816 And am I misunderstanding how it works? That is how 01:31:21.826 --> 01:31:25.927 it's gonna work, right. 01:31:25.927 --> 01:31:31.737 Um M Morin, do you have any feedback from the commenter 01:31:31.747 --> 01:31:36.388 or could you provide her with any contact to answer 01:31:36.397 --> 01:31:40.657 her question about for questions in terms of grade 01:31:40.667 --> 01:31:44.576 impacts low impact. 01:31:44.576 --> 01:31:48.667 My understanding of the question is that the customer 01:31:48.677 --> 01:31:53.088 is asking about, sorry, I apologies. Um And Mr Name 01:31:53.858 --> 01:31:59.677 Kathy, the customers ask Kathy, sorry, 01:31:59.677 --> 01:32:03.907 Kathy is asking about the fixed um fixed charge which 01:32:03.917 --> 01:32:07.227 is not part of this proceeding. 01:32:07.227 --> 01:32:13.608 Um uh That's what it said on the um that's what I 01:32:13.618 --> 01:32:18.786 was told that this hearing was about 01:32:18.786 --> 01:32:22.868 um general rate case phase two is that this not part 01:32:22.878 --> 01:32:27.076 of general rate case phase two? Yeah, II I don't know 01:32:27.088 --> 01:32:30.647 if you were here earlier when I introduced um you know 01:32:30.657 --> 01:32:34.628 provided an introduction, I provided a scope for what 01:32:34.638 --> 01:32:38.417 was covered in this proceeding and the income graduated 01:32:38.427 --> 01:32:43.388 fixed charge is not um in the scope or covered in the 01:32:43.708 --> 01:32:47.427 and you go general right case phase two, it is covered 01:32:47.437 --> 01:32:57.128 in a rule making uh 22-07 dash 005. That rule making 01:32:57.167 --> 01:33:00.247 addresses demand flexibility. And I believe on your 01:33:00.257 --> 01:33:04.427 screen, there is a number for the public advisor's 01:33:04.437 --> 01:33:12.757 office 8668498390. Um You can also email them at public 01:33:12.767 --> 01:33:17.917 dot advisor at C PC dot C a.gov 01:33:17.917 --> 01:33:23.747 to um address any questions related to the income graduated 01:33:23.757 --> 01:33:28.247 fixed charge. Um And yeah, they can provide you comment 01:33:28.257 --> 01:33:30.947 uh provide you guidance in terms of providing comments 01:33:31.237 --> 01:33:33.868 in the proceeding where that matter is being considered 01:33:35.217 --> 01:33:38.177 So when is the, is there a forum on this a public 01:33:38.187 --> 01:33:42.556 forum on on that issue? I think you would probably 01:33:42.566 --> 01:33:45.947 need to contact them first and then they could provide 01:33:45.958 --> 01:33:50.447 you on uh the proceeding itself and they could, they 01:33:50.458 --> 01:33:53.618 could inform you about that. I since I'm covering this 01:33:53.628 --> 01:33:56.536 proceeding. Um I think they're the best folks to start 01:33:56.546 --> 01:34:03.128 with to, to address your question. 01:34:03.128 --> 01:34:10.247 Ok, thank you. Thanks so much 01:34:10.247 --> 01:34:14.606 operator. Um Could you please introduce the next comment 01:34:14.615 --> 01:34:19.537 her and uh please. Um before speaking, could you um 01:34:19.546 --> 01:34:21.907 state your name? 01:34:21.907 --> 01:34:25.126 Our next public comment comes from Audra allegedly 01:34:25.146 --> 01:34:28.847 Audra, your line is open 01:34:28.847 --> 01:34:33.376 allegedly Audra. Um Yeah, it's kind of sad to hear 01:34:33.387 --> 01:34:35.887 you know that I, I mean, I'm wondering how many people 01:34:35.896 --> 01:34:39.677 actually know about these meetings. Um because I mean 01:34:39.686 --> 01:34:42.048 you really have to know and go online to look because 01:34:42.057 --> 01:34:44.847 they're not promoted, you know, really outside. So 01:34:44.856 --> 01:34:48.747 people don't, I think know to pay attention too much 01:34:48.758 --> 01:34:52.376 to um these things and, you know, they don't really 01:34:52.387 --> 01:34:55.856 know when they can come and voice their opinion and 01:34:55.867 --> 01:34:57.977 you know, a lot of times people don't want people to 01:34:57.988 --> 01:34:59.907 know about meetings because the more dissent that you 01:34:59.916 --> 01:35:03.436 have from the public, you know, the more they want 01:35:03.447 --> 01:35:06.097 to silence that. And I think if more people understood 01:35:06.106 --> 01:35:09.028 what was going on and that they had to say, then they 01:35:09.037 --> 01:35:12.197 would say say something because, you know, SDGE has 01:35:12.208 --> 01:35:15.057 been overcharging for nearly 20 years because you guys 01:35:15.068 --> 01:35:19.077 will set aside like, you know, so much. Um, this is 01:35:19.086 --> 01:35:21.126 how much it's gonna cost and then you'll come in under 01:35:21.137 --> 01:35:25.086 cost and, and basically pocket the rest and, you know 01:35:25.097 --> 01:35:28.258 over the past, you know, like couple of years you've 01:35:28.267 --> 01:35:31.997 been you know, astronomically raising the rates and 01:35:32.008 --> 01:35:34.287 um, you know, people have been having a very difficult 01:35:34.298 --> 01:35:39.186 time just to, you know, survive and when it's known 01:35:39.197 --> 01:35:41.488 that you're overcharging and you're putting people 01:35:41.497 --> 01:35:44.298 in these positions and then you have, you know, plans 01:35:44.307 --> 01:35:50.186 to do, you know, more, um, rate hikes. Um, and, but 01:35:50.197 --> 01:35:52.657 then you talk about like, we're gonna decrease it just 01:35:52.666 --> 01:35:55.718 like this much and it's like with the amount of money 01:35:55.727 --> 01:35:58.077 that you've pocketed over the years, I guarantee you 01:35:58.086 --> 01:36:00.597 that you could probably give people huge discounts 01:36:00.606 --> 01:36:03.157 if anything and not charge them because then you stay 01:36:03.166 --> 01:36:05.727 here and they were like, you know, incentives to get 01:36:05.738 --> 01:36:08.727 solar. But then you guys are taking, you know, the 01:36:08.738 --> 01:36:12.017 solar that people aren't using and then still charging 01:36:12.028 --> 01:36:15.227 them for energy that they need from you when they can't 01:36:15.238 --> 01:36:18.537 use their solar or what not. So, I mean, the whole 01:36:18.548 --> 01:36:21.238 thing is a scam and it's just very sad because it's 01:36:21.247 --> 01:36:24.958 a bunch of fraud waste and abuse that um you know, 01:36:24.968 --> 01:36:27.497 people don't deserve to be treated this way and to 01:36:27.508 --> 01:36:31.267 think that you guys make so much money by, you know 01:36:31.278 --> 01:36:35.436 really just screwing people over and then, you know 01:36:35.447 --> 01:36:38.677 come in kind of virtue signal and gas light like you're 01:36:38.686 --> 01:36:42.458 going to give them any kind of, you know, decrease 01:36:42.468 --> 01:36:46.767 in their bill is just very sad because, you know, the 01:36:46.778 --> 01:36:50.048 more that, you know, we go into this um supposed clean 01:36:50.057 --> 01:36:53.298 energy which isn't none of it is. That's all a scam 01:36:53.597 --> 01:36:56.097 but it's going to be making people, you know, have 01:36:56.106 --> 01:37:00.738 to pay more just to pretend to save the climate. And 01:37:01.947 --> 01:37:03.657 I mean, there's nothing that you guys are going to 01:37:03.666 --> 01:37:06.287 do. I mean, because there's no, you don't change what 01:37:06.298 --> 01:37:09.666 you're doing, you just kind of go along with it. But 01:37:09.677 --> 01:37:11.697 at least, you know, maybe the people listening can 01:37:11.708 --> 01:37:14.166 start to understand that this is all by design. It's 01:37:14.177 --> 01:37:18.528 everything that these companies do to the people, you 01:37:18.537 --> 01:37:21.048 know, uh when they raise their rates, a lot of times 01:37:21.057 --> 01:37:23.086 they'll talk about it being because you know, people 01:37:23.097 --> 01:37:25.798 need, you know, raises and whatnot. That's what the 01:37:25.807 --> 01:37:28.597 city talks about all the time for their utilities and 01:37:28.606 --> 01:37:31.686 it getting raised. But whatever the excuse is, it's 01:37:31.697 --> 01:37:34.568 always going to be screwing the person that needs it 01:37:34.577 --> 01:37:37.396 the most, you know, because people need to, you know 01:37:38.137 --> 01:37:45.557 heat their homes. So tread lightly. 01:37:45.557 --> 01:37:49.836 Thank you. Um for your comments. Um operator, could 01:37:49.847 --> 01:37:53.537 you please introduce the next speaker and please uh 01:37:53.548 --> 01:37:56.677 for the speaker. Could you please state your name before 01:37:56.686 --> 01:38:00.218 pre pro before speaking. 01:38:00.218 --> 01:38:03.686 Our next public comment comes from John Rubino. John 01:38:03.697 --> 01:38:07.336 your line is open. 01:38:07.336 --> 01:38:11.818 Thank you. So my comment, comment is definitely on 01:38:11.827 --> 01:38:16.367 the topic of the meeting. Uh It's uh STG and E proposed 01:38:16.376 --> 01:38:19.836 change will have a negative impact on solar users. 01:38:20.157 --> 01:38:22.218 The change will lower the rate for the hours between 01:38:22.227 --> 01:38:25.247 10 and two, which is what they're requesting. And that's 01:38:25.258 --> 01:38:27.517 when solar users are typically produce more energy 01:38:27.528 --> 01:38:30.416 than they consume and send it back to the grid. That 01:38:30.427 --> 01:38:33.778 means that and our current rate for those hours is 01:38:33.787 --> 01:38:37.458 45 cents per kilowatt in the winter and 48 cents per 01:38:37.468 --> 01:38:41.367 kilowatt in the summer by changing it to 10 to 2. Now 01:38:41.376 --> 01:38:45.137 our new credit rate will be 15 cents per kilowatt regardless 01:38:45.146 --> 01:38:48.186 of the season. This means that solar users will receive 01:38:48.197 --> 01:38:51.327 less credits for the energy they generate and contribute 01:38:51.336 --> 01:38:54.708 to the grid. SDG claims that this change will help 01:38:54.718 --> 01:38:57.747 lower users' bills. But this is a misleading statement 01:38:57.876 --> 01:39:00.697 that obscures the true intention of reducing the compensation 01:39:00.876 --> 01:39:06.936 for solar users. 01:39:06.936 --> 01:39:10.537 Thank you for your comment. Um Operator, could you 01:39:10.548 --> 01:39:13.836 please introduce the next speaker and speaker? Could 01:39:13.847 --> 01:39:18.416 you please state your name before speaking? Thank you 01:39:18.427 --> 01:39:20.876 If you'd like to make a public comment, please press 01:39:20.887 --> 01:39:24.017 star one, unmute your phone and clearly state your 01:39:24.028 --> 01:39:28.137 name first and last name for public comment. Introduction 01:39:28.318 --> 01:39:30.657 If you'd like to retract your question, please press 01:39:30.666 --> 01:39:33.936 Star two. Our next public comment comes from Kristen 01:39:33.947 --> 01:39:39.037 Cardin Kristen. Your line is open. I I know I did uh 01:39:39.376 --> 01:39:41.997 make a comment and question earlier, but I think I'm 01:39:42.008 --> 01:39:44.208 maybe the second or third person that has asked the 01:39:44.218 --> 01:39:46.867 question and we've just been directed to someone else 01:39:46.876 --> 01:39:50.008 Is I I'm finding it interesting and surprising that 01:39:50.166 --> 01:39:54.037 nobody represented here from SCG and E can answer these 01:39:54.048 --> 01:39:57.958 somewhat simple questions. So, I mean, is why is that 01:39:57.968 --> 01:40:01.548 the case? Why is nobody on this call able to answer 01:40:01.617 --> 01:40:03.818 simple, straightforward questions? And why are we being 01:40:03.827 --> 01:40:07.106 referred to someone else where private as opposed to 01:40:07.117 --> 01:40:09.887 public? Is there no one on this line that can answer 01:40:10.037 --> 01:40:14.827 questions? 01:40:14.827 --> 01:40:18.068 Uh, this morning? I, do you have a response to the 01:40:18.077 --> 01:40:29.887 commentator's question? 01:40:29.887 --> 01:40:32.436 Um If you have specific questions about your biller 01:40:32.447 --> 01:40:36.597 service, we also have somebody standing by Carla Jones 01:40:36.606 --> 01:40:40.677 Her number is shown on the screen. Um Any questions 01:40:40.686 --> 01:40:43.157 about the specific questions about the application 01:40:43.166 --> 01:40:47.907 we're also happy to provide responses to um but please 01:40:47.916 --> 01:40:55.508 direct them to GB U IC si T, excuse me at scge.com 01:41:01.077 --> 01:41:05.208 Thankful for your comment. Um Operator, are there any 01:41:05.218 --> 01:41:11.468 um scholars or uh speakers and cut we uh our next public 01:41:11.477 --> 01:41:20.927 comment comes from Isabella. Your line is open 01:41:20.927 --> 01:41:24.528 in a villa. 01:41:24.528 --> 01:41:31.508 Hello, my comment is about um charges incur charges 01:41:31.517 --> 01:41:33.936 on the bill. 01:41:33.936 --> 01:41:39.488 Uh This has been going on for so many months and um 01:41:39.497 --> 01:41:45.017 my comment is why isn't there no advising or letting 01:41:45.028 --> 01:41:48.947 the public know about all these incurred charges on 01:41:48.958 --> 01:41:54.708 the bill? It is uh rather frustrating that not only 01:41:54.718 --> 01:42:01.278 are our charges already high enough but also having 01:42:01.287 --> 01:42:05.258 to pay additional charges that we don't even know about 01:42:05.298 --> 01:42:11.657 ahead of time. 01:42:11.657 --> 01:42:15.468 I think the public should be 01:42:15.468 --> 01:42:20.307 let aware that any of these charges are coming onto 01:42:20.318 --> 01:42:26.997 the bill are being charged and it is uh rather disgusting 01:42:27.008 --> 01:42:31.186 that the Public Utilities Commission, they just take 01:42:31.197 --> 01:42:36.416 it upon themselves to just add this addi additional 01:42:36.427 --> 01:42:39.298 charges. 01:42:39.298 --> 01:42:42.988 That is my comment. 01:42:42.988 --> 01:42:45.936 Thank you for your comment 01:42:45.936 --> 01:42:48.896 operator. Could you please introduce the next caller 01:42:49.068 --> 01:42:53.077 Um And uh before you speak, um could you please state 01:42:53.086 --> 01:42:55.747 your, your name? 01:42:55.747 --> 01:42:58.936 Thank you. Our next public comment comes from Ryan 01:42:59.376 --> 01:43:12.106 Sakowski. Ryan. Your line is open, 01:43:12.106 --> 01:43:36.517 Ryan, your line is open. 01:43:36.517 --> 01:43:42.387 Ryan Susy. Are you still with us? 01:43:42.387 --> 01:43:44.758 We'll come back to you. Please rejoin the queue. Our 01:43:44.767 --> 01:43:47.818 next public comment comes from John Schumi. John, your 01:43:47.827 --> 01:43:50.577 line is open. 01:43:50.577 --> 01:43:57.666 Hi, this is John Shoemake. We currently have 32 panels 01:43:57.847 --> 01:44:03.336 solar panels and 29.8 kilovolt backup batteries and 01:44:03.347 --> 01:44:09.778 we normally sell back approximately $450 a month back 01:44:09.787 --> 01:44:13.097 to SCG and E and now you guys are going to take 01:44:13.106 --> 01:44:18.057 in charges more for what? And, and you're not taking 01:44:18.068 --> 01:44:21.197 it off of the bill. II, I don't understand what's going 01:44:21.208 --> 01:44:26.327 on. Can you please address that? 01:44:26.327 --> 01:44:30.376 Um Hi, this is the judge. Um I think uh at this 01:44:30.387 --> 01:44:35.347 stage based on prior uh questions, it appears that 01:44:35.356 --> 01:44:42.907 if you uh contact the SCGE rep noted on the slide on 01:44:42.968 --> 01:44:48.227 a monitor, I guess in this case would be Gen V 01:44:48.227 --> 01:44:51.657 looks it uh the regulatory case manager, her number 01:44:52.048 --> 01:44:59.767 is 61967688911 and she could be reaching via email 01:44:59.778 --> 01:45:07.847 at GB UC SI T at sgzsdge.com. So, um she would be 01:45:08.048 --> 01:45:12.396 um a person that you can contact to receive. Thank 01:45:12.407 --> 01:45:15.867 you, Commissioner Sharaa 01:45:15.867 --> 01:45:18.896 and judge if 01:45:18.896 --> 01:45:23.727 our caller was asking about the uh proposed income 01:45:23.738 --> 01:45:28.387 graduated fixed charge again, that is a separate proceeding 01:45:29.068 --> 01:45:34.238 And folks can contact our advisor's office, email and 01:45:34.247 --> 01:45:37.968 phone numbers up on the screen. Uh and they can be 01:45:37.977 --> 01:45:42.677 directed by our advisor's office on how to weigh in 01:45:43.287 --> 01:45:45.787 on that proceeding, which is a separate proceeding 01:45:45.798 --> 01:45:48.836 from ours. And for folks on the line, the number is 01:45:48.847 --> 01:45:57.787 866 8498390. Thank you and back to you, judge. Thank 01:45:57.798 --> 01:46:02.318 you, Commissioner um 01:46:02.318 --> 01:46:07.447 operator. Um Could you please uh announce the next 01:46:07.458 --> 01:46:13.856 caller and um let me know if um and, and before uh 01:46:13.867 --> 01:46:18.468 speaking, could you please state your name? Thank you 01:46:18.477 --> 01:46:21.988 Our next public comment comes from Han suyin. Your 01:46:21.997 --> 01:46:25.887 line is open. 01:46:25.887 --> 01:46:31.427 Hi. Um I totally agreed with what John said regarding 01:46:31.436 --> 01:46:37.497 um house for that already have solos. It will negatively 01:46:37.508 --> 01:46:44.208 affect how much we uh would get in um credit. And I 01:46:44.218 --> 01:46:48.617 have a question, where do we go from here after this 01:46:48.626 --> 01:46:52.177 proceeding? Is there any changes that will be made 01:46:52.186 --> 01:46:58.347 or like this? Is this is it and nothing else will be 01:46:58.356 --> 01:47:03.238 changed? Thank you. 01:47:03.238 --> 01:47:07.867 Um Are, are you referring to the current proceeding 01:47:07.876 --> 01:47:12.376 The San Diego Gas and Electric? Yes, the one with the 01:47:12.387 --> 01:47:19.048 the rate, the rate change and changing the hours to 01:47:19.057 --> 01:47:23.778 um, 10 and two for the off peak. Yeah, I think the 01:47:23.787 --> 01:47:26.718 process is that, as I explained, if you were on the 01:47:26.727 --> 01:47:30.537 call earlier that, um, you know, I, I would provide 01:47:30.947 --> 01:47:33.677 um, you know, recommendations to the commissioner, 01:47:34.097 --> 01:47:36.876 uh, to the commissioners in a decision, the commissioners 01:47:36.887 --> 01:47:41.458 will vote on it. Um, and then based on their vote, 01:47:41.468 --> 01:47:45.856 uh, we either adopt the decision or not. Um, at that 01:47:45.867 --> 01:47:51.468 point, um, you know, the general ray cases on a three 01:47:51.577 --> 01:47:55.916 phase two rate cases on a three year cycle. So, um 01:47:56.327 --> 01:48:00.537 that's, that's the process that is followed. Um, ok 01:48:04.787 --> 01:48:10.557 so when would the um, customer knows 01:48:10.557 --> 01:48:14.856 when the decision is made, like after they voted and 01:48:14.867 --> 01:48:20.876 everything? Well, um it's on the docket. So the, the 01:48:20.887 --> 01:48:23.497 proposed decision or the decision when the final decision 01:48:23.508 --> 01:48:26.927 will appear on our docket, um You can contact the public 01:48:26.936 --> 01:48:31.218 advisor's office um 01:48:31.218 --> 01:48:39.778 at 8668498390 or, um, and, or email them at public 01:48:39.916 --> 01:48:45.287 dot advisor at CPUC dot P a.gov. Um A at the end 01:48:45.298 --> 01:48:48.778 of the PPH, and they can provide you with additional 01:48:48.787 --> 01:48:52.037 guidance to be directed to the, to the docket card 01:48:52.407 --> 01:48:56.537 Um uh And you can also be, they can direct you to 01:48:56.856 --> 01:49:00.747 um, see if you want to get added to the um, service 01:49:00.758 --> 01:49:04.177 list for the proceeding uh as information only so that 01:49:04.186 --> 01:49:06.557 you can be informed 01:49:06.557 --> 01:49:11.988 about that. Ok. Thank you so much and into our call 01:49:12.106 --> 01:49:16.896 and, and I'll just add to this, the C PC does require 01:49:16.907 --> 01:49:21.267 utilities. So once a vote has been taken, decision 01:49:21.278 --> 01:49:25.947 has been made, the utilities are required to let the 01:49:25.958 --> 01:49:32.097 customers know uh um what um is there an increase? 01:49:32.106 --> 01:49:35.447 Is, is there no increase, is there a decrease? And 01:49:35.458 --> 01:49:39.327 by what date? So, so there is a, you the customer uh 01:49:39.356 --> 01:49:43.528 should, should um be receiving information from your 01:49:43.818 --> 01:49:47.646 the utility as well. 01:49:47.646 --> 01:49:50.126 Thank you 01:49:50.126 --> 01:49:54.528 and, and Gwen can confirm that, but we do require the 01:49:54.568 --> 01:49:58.977 utilities to keep the customers informed. Thank you 01:50:03.488 --> 01:50:06.626 operator. Um Could you um please then introduce the 01:50:06.637 --> 01:50:10.278 next caller and caller. Could you please speak? Uh 01:50:10.287 --> 01:50:14.798 I mean provide your name before you speak? 01:50:14.798 --> 01:50:18.537 Thank you. Our next public comment comes from she to 01:50:18.548 --> 01:50:21.557 your line is open. 01:50:21.557 --> 01:50:26.017 Hi. Uh My name is Chi too and I'm a resident in 01:50:26.028 --> 01:50:30.767 9212 nine. 01:50:30.767 --> 01:50:36.307 No, 921260, I have two comments. One is the uh the 01:50:36.318 --> 01:50:41.947 solar systems. Uh We install solar based on, first 01:50:41.958 --> 01:50:47.387 of all, it could uh break even after six years of usage 01:50:47.758 --> 01:50:50.827 And then second of all, it is good for the environment 01:50:51.307 --> 01:50:56.778 And now the so after we install the system change now 01:50:56.787 --> 01:51:00.396 maybe we can break even looking forward maybe to 12 01:51:00.407 --> 01:51:04.677 years. And based on that kind of conditions, we, we 01:51:04.686 --> 01:51:09.086 probably will not install a solar system and we have 01:51:09.097 --> 01:51:14.747 no power to say anything to, to, to uh making the decision 01:51:14.968 --> 01:51:19.267 of the CD GNE. But then uh you screw up all the 01:51:19.278 --> 01:51:24.267 little customers out there who are with a good heart 01:51:24.278 --> 01:51:29.597 for the environment and with a good for the pocket 01:51:30.086 --> 01:51:35.747 uh the, the, the money wise. So, um that is quite unsatisfying 01:51:35.758 --> 01:51:41.336 to us. And then the second point of my comments is 01:51:41.347 --> 01:51:48.827 that um um Stgne now is going to charge the electricity 01:51:48.916 --> 01:51:52.836 based on the income. And I think this is more like 01:51:52.847 --> 01:51:57.586 a tax. We already pay the tax according to our income 01:51:57.936 --> 01:52:02.657 and now USDA gne change the system and double charge 01:52:02.666 --> 01:52:07.836 us. And I was, I'm wondering in future, what about 01:52:07.847 --> 01:52:13.396 the water, what about the gas and what about the other 01:52:13.407 --> 01:52:17.597 system? Maybe the, the telephone, uh the, the, the 01:52:17.606 --> 01:52:23.988 the internet, they could all follow your, your examples 01:52:23.997 --> 01:52:28.548 and all the base on the income. I think that is a 01:52:29.738 --> 01:52:34.916 wrong examples for the industry and shouldn't do that 01:52:35.077 --> 01:52:40.298 The tax should not implement in your Sdgne systems 01:52:40.856 --> 01:52:44.186 It should be belong to a different department, different 01:52:44.197 --> 01:52:51.137 systems. So um that is my point. Hope that there are 01:52:51.146 --> 01:52:55.686 other customer also see the points and then the voice 01:52:55.697 --> 01:52:58.586 out. 01:52:58.586 --> 01:53:03.327 That's the end of my conversations. 01:53:03.327 --> 01:53:07.267 Thank you. Uh I just wanna refer to refer you to the 01:53:07.278 --> 01:53:12.958 public adviser's office um regarding uh any comments 01:53:12.968 --> 01:53:16.298 you wanna provide on the income, graduated fixed charge 01:53:17.278 --> 01:53:21.508 um they can be reached at public dot advisor at CTC 01:53:21.517 --> 01:53:28.738 dot C a.gov or at 866849-8390. Um They can provide 01:53:28.747 --> 01:53:33.347 you with um guidance and direction on how to provide 01:53:33.356 --> 01:53:41.876 comments in the rule making 22-07 dash 005. 01:53:41.876 --> 01:53:45.267 and hopefully they can, they can help you provide comments 01:53:45.278 --> 01:53:48.548 on that that is not being considered in this perceiving 01:53:48.798 --> 01:53:52.227 San Diego Gas and Electric General rate case phase 01:53:52.238 --> 01:53:56.787 two. So I would, I would uh encourage you to do that 01:53:58.218 --> 01:54:00.807 Thank you for your comments 01:54:00.807 --> 01:54:04.876 operator. Could you please direct? Um Could you please 01:54:04.887 --> 01:54:09.197 um introduce the next caller and a little before you 01:54:09.208 --> 01:54:14.597 speak. Could you please provide your uh name? 01:54:14.597 --> 01:54:17.356 Thank you. Our next public comment comes from Jamie 01:54:17.367 --> 01:54:21.106 Straggler. Your line is open. 01:54:21.106 --> 01:54:26.278 Hello, my name is Jenny Straddling. Um I am like your 01:54:26.287 --> 01:54:30.367 last caller. I've spent a lot of money um putting in 01:54:30.376 --> 01:54:34.477 solar. So I find this whole process thickening of what 01:54:34.488 --> 01:54:39.807 SPG and E is doing and sad and the lack of transparency 01:54:39.818 --> 01:54:44.528 is astonishing. And I really hope that you are listening 01:54:44.537 --> 01:54:48.416 to all of these comments being made, judge and, and 01:54:48.427 --> 01:54:51.747 and commissioners, whoever is making these decisions 01:54:51.758 --> 01:54:56.537 for the public. This is just disgusting. II I cannot 01:54:56.548 --> 01:55:01.311 even believe, I mean, I am sick that questions can't 01:55:01.322 --> 01:55:06.653 be answered again. Lack of transparency. I think that 01:55:06.662 --> 01:55:11.693 your solar customers should rise up and, and I think 01:55:11.702 --> 01:55:15.133 you are going to see customers rising up and saying 01:55:15.142 --> 01:55:18.613 enough, you are going to have class action lawsuits 01:55:18.912 --> 01:55:25.008 filed against all of this. I just am sickened by what 01:55:25.017 --> 01:55:29.497 SDG and E is allowed to do year after year. It is 01:55:29.508 --> 01:55:33.146 disgusting. We do not have a choice to go to someone 01:55:33.157 --> 01:55:38.336 else. And the monopoly that is, uh, being allowed to 01:55:38.347 --> 01:55:44.876 exist is just astonishing and someone like me, I too 01:55:44.887 --> 01:55:50.086 am a single mother. I make an ok living and I have 01:55:50.097 --> 01:55:55.227 gone to the expense of spending $50,000 on solar just 01:55:55.238 --> 01:56:00.738 to be slapped in the face. I think that this is just 01:56:01.586 --> 01:56:05.807 unreal and I, I am very sad for all of us San 01:56:05.818 --> 01:56:09.407 Diegans that try to do the right thing always and get 01:56:09.416 --> 01:56:14.068 slammed down by these companies doing just disgusting 01:56:14.077 --> 01:56:20.738 things. You make profit hand over fist and you are 01:56:20.747 --> 01:56:26.818 just never able to make uh the right decision for your 01:56:26.827 --> 01:56:30.778 customers. And, and then just to again, customers that 01:56:30.787 --> 01:56:34.818 are trying to do the right thing get slapped constantly 01:56:37.597 --> 01:56:42.508 II I, those are my comments. Thank you for your comments 01:56:42.517 --> 01:56:47.477 And as I directed the previous caller, um you may contact 01:56:47.488 --> 01:56:52.097 the commission's public advisor's office at public 01:56:52.106 --> 01:57:00.807 dot advisor at C PC dot C a.com or it's 866 8498390 01:57:01.548 --> 01:57:07.327 or also and you know to ask their guidance to comment 01:57:07.657 --> 01:57:10.517 on the integra income graduated fixed charge in the 01:57:10.528 --> 01:57:19.117 rule making. Uh 22-07 dash 005 01:57:19.117 --> 01:57:22.747 operator. Um Could you please introduce the next caller 01:57:23.626 --> 01:57:26.327 and caller? Could you please provide your name before 01:57:26.336 --> 01:57:30.327 speaking? Thank you. If you'd like to make a public 01:57:30.336 --> 01:57:33.626 comment, please press star one unmute your phone and 01:57:33.637 --> 01:57:36.497 state your first and last name for public comment. 01:57:36.508 --> 01:57:38.856 Introduction. If you'd like to retract your public 01:57:38.867 --> 01:57:42.186 comment, please press star two. Our next public comment 01:57:42.197 --> 01:57:56.517 comes from Dana Erickson. Your line is open 01:57:56.517 --> 01:58:03.597 that 01:58:03.597 --> 01:58:07.927 hello. Are you able to hear me? I am. Thank you. Ok 01:58:07.936 --> 01:58:11.126 Hi, good evening. Thank you so much for the opportunity 01:58:11.137 --> 01:58:13.927 to voice our opinions. I like everyone else agree. 01:58:13.936 --> 01:58:17.767 Um, that I think it's frustrating that we are now going 01:58:17.778 --> 01:58:21.028 to be given less credit for our solar. I purchased 01:58:21.037 --> 01:58:23.807 a new home and I came with solar now being that a 01:58:23.818 --> 01:58:26.847 California law and it's frustrating that now I'm not 01:58:26.856 --> 01:58:29.197 going to get as much credit, especially given that 01:58:29.208 --> 01:58:31.646 the rates are so astronomical as they are as everyone 01:58:31.657 --> 01:58:34.836 else has mentioned. I also, um, wanted to comment on 01:58:34.847 --> 01:58:37.936 what was just brought up is that I have no other choice 01:58:37.947 --> 01:58:40.166 to go to a different vendor because the prices are 01:58:40.177 --> 01:58:43.557 too high. Like internet, I can shop around and I can 01:58:43.568 --> 01:58:46.117 you know, reduce my service based on, you know, my 01:58:46.126 --> 01:58:48.318 needs or I can cut back on speed, things like that 01:58:48.327 --> 01:58:50.927 or I can go to someone else I'm unable to do that 01:58:51.227 --> 01:58:54.528 with SDGE. They are my provider of utilities. I have 01:58:54.537 --> 01:58:57.517 nowhere else to go. So I think that um our comments 01:58:57.528 --> 01:59:01.497 need to be seriously considered because they are impacting 01:59:01.896 --> 01:59:04.416 people of San Diego. And so that's all I wanted to 01:59:04.427 --> 01:59:07.097 comment on. And it's also once again, I think frustrating 01:59:07.106 --> 01:59:11.718 that um SD genie is not here to publicly comment and 01:59:11.727 --> 01:59:14.356 answer people's questions. I think that's unprofessional 01:59:14.646 --> 01:59:17.197 to just direct us to another website or direct us to 01:59:17.208 --> 01:59:19.137 a person. And then we have to go through that route 01:59:19.146 --> 01:59:22.008 where not everyone can hear what that person has to 01:59:22.017 --> 01:59:24.738 say. We all individually have to reach out. So I think 01:59:24.747 --> 01:59:27.416 that's frustrating. Um That's all my comment. Thank 01:59:27.427 --> 01:59:29.646 you. 01:59:29.646 --> 01:59:33.356 Thank you for your comments. And uh as I reiterated 01:59:33.367 --> 01:59:36.958 to other callers, please contact the public advisor's 01:59:36.968 --> 01:59:40.177 office and the commission that contact information 01:59:40.186 --> 01:59:43.318 is on the slide on a monitor as you're watching the 01:59:43.327 --> 01:59:46.537 proceeding. Um and they can provide you guidance and 01:59:46.548 --> 01:59:49.396 direction, providing, who provide you further comment 01:59:49.626 --> 01:59:52.958 on matters that are not being considered in this proceeding 01:59:53.407 --> 01:59:55.916 Um Operator.