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Welcome to the California Public Utilities Commission

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Public Participation Hearing for the Potential Extension

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of Diablo Canyon Power Plant operations. Today's call

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is being recorded. If you object, you may disconnect.

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Judge Doherty, you may begin. All right, thank you Operator.

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Can the court reporters please confirm they are ready

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to begin?

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Yes Judge, I'm ready. Thank you. We will now be on

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the record. The Commission will come to order. It is

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Tuesday, July 25, 2023 and this is the Remote Public

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Participation Hearing for the Commission's rulemaking.

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To consider the Potential Extension of Operations at

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the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power plant. The proceeding

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number is R.23-01-007. Please note that the audio

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and visual feed of this Public Hearing is being recorded

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and is accessible on the CPUC website. If you do not

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wish to be recorded, please disconnect. Now, my name

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is Patrick Doherty and I am the Assistant Chief Administrative

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Law Judge assigned to this proceeding. I am presiding

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over this Public Participation Hearing on behalf of

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Ehren Seybert, who is the Assigned Administrative Law Judge

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to this proceeding. I am joined by the Commissioner

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assigned to this proceeding, Commissioner Karen Douglas.

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Commissioner Douglas, would you like to make any opening

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remarks? Yes thank you, Judge Doherty. And um, I just

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wanted to briefly say good afternoon to the participants

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in today's Public Participation Hearings. I'm very

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pleased to be here today. Um, it's important that the

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CPUC perform its diligence in this proceeding. And

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an important part of that is that we listen to and

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learn from public and stakeholder perspectives that

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are shared with us. And I appreciate the time that

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everyone has taken to join us today to learn more about

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this proceeding and share their thoughts with us. I

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look forward to hearing public comments and um I appreciate

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the participation. And with that I, I will turn this

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back to you Judge Doherty.

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Thank you, Commissioner. The purpose of today's hearing

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is for the Commission to hear from members of the public

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about the Commission's rule making to consider the

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Potential Extension of Operations at the Diablo Canyon

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Nuclear Power Plant. If you are a Pacific Gas and Electric

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customer and you have a customer specific question,

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such as a question about your bills or service. Please

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contact PG&E Senior Customer Service Representative,

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Angela Rodriguez at 415-266-8707. She is available during

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the duration of this hearing to assist you. I'll begin

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by providing some background on the California Public

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Utilities Commission and the Commission's rulemaking.

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To consider the Potential Extension of Operations at

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the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant. If you are participating

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today and would like to provide public comments. You

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may do so by calling 800-857-1917, and entering passcode

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1767567# and then press *1. Unmute your

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phone and clearly record your name when prompted.

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This will alert the operator who will begin to cue

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public speakers. If you are a public official, please

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record your title and position, in addition to your

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name. Please refer to the side on the screen for more

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information. Now, I will provide some background on

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the California Public Utilities Commission. The Commission

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is comprised of 5 Commissioners who are appointed

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by the Governor and confirmed by the California State

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Senate. The assigned Administrative Law Judge in this

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proceeding, Ehren Seybert manages the day to day activities

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of the case. The 5 Commissioners are the ones who

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will decide with a vote on the potential extension

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of operations at the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant.

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The role of the Judge is to evaluate the evidence in

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the proceeding and to write a proposed decision based

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on that evidence. This proposed decision will then

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be considered by the 5 Commissioners. Who will decide

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whether to adopt the proposed decision from the Judge

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or to adopt their own alternate decision based on the

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evidence in the proceeding. The current schedule for

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this proceeding indicates that the Commission will

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vote on the potential extension of operations at the

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Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant by the end of 2023.

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Now, I will provide a summary of the Commission's rulemaking

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to consider the potential extension of operations

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at the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant. This rulemaking

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was enacted on January 12, 2023. To implement

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provisions of Senate Bill or SB846. Requiring the Commission

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to consider the potential extension of power plant

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operations at the PG&E owned and operated the Diablo Canyon

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Nuclear Power Plant. The Diablo Canyon Units 1 and 2

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are currently licensed by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory

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Commission or NRC. To operate until November 2, 2024

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and August 26, 2025 respectively, as directed by SB846.

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The Commission must consider whether to extend

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Diablo Canyon operations by up to 5 years through no

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later than October 31, 2029 for Unit 1 and October

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31, 2030 for Unit 2. The Commission is currently

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considering input from the parties to the proceeding

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on whether operations at Diablo Canyon should be

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extended. What the extended operations cost recovery

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mechanisms and processes should be. And whether and

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how to allocate the associated benefits of extended

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operations. We are here today to receive comments from

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the public on these issues as well. The Commissioners

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and the assigned Administrative Law Judge will pay

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close attention to the opinions expressed during today's

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public hearing. A Court Reporter will be transcribing

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everything that is said today. If you speak, I ask that

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you speak slowly and clearly. So that the reporter can

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capture everything that is said. At the beginning of

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your comments, please spell your first and last name,

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and provide your location. The written transcript of

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today's hearing will be posted publicly on a Commission

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webpage for this proceeding. In addition to submitting

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oral comments today, written comments on the Commission's

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rulemaking to consider the potential extension of

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operations at the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant. May be

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submitted online by going to the following website:

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apps.cpuc.ca.gov/c/

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R2301007. As of today, we have received 84 written

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public comments.

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I now understand uh, that we have about 20 speakers

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uh, in the queue to speak with us today. And so based

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on the number of speakers currently in the queue. And to

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ensure that everyone has the chance to provide comment.

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Each speaker will have a time limit of 2 minutes.

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And we will now hear from those members of the public

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in the queue. If you wish to speak, if you have not

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already done so. Please press *1, unmute your

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phone and clearly record your name when prompted. The

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operator will add you to the queue of speakers. If

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you are a public official, please also record your

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title and position in addition to your name. If you

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are not currently queued, and at any time during the

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session you decide you would like to speak. The line

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will remain open for you to join. As I mentioned, we

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have a time limit of 2 minutes each uh, for the speakers

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that are currently queued. A chime will be sounded

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uh, when the 2minutes are up. Uh, please wrap up your

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comments once you hear the chime. And it's just the

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last reminder to those of you waiting on the phone.

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Please speak slowly and clearly, so that our court reporters

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may accurately transcribe your comments. When the operator

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lets you know it is your turn to speak. Please start

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your comments by providing your full name, spelling

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your last name for the record, and your location. We

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will be able to hear you best if you speak directly

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into your phone or headset. Please avoid having your

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phone on speaker when you are providing comment. Please

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keep comments brief and concise to ensure we can hear

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everyone. And now we will go to the first person in

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the queue. Operator, will you please let us know who

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is here to speak?

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Thank you. The public comment telephone line is now

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open. Again if you wish to speak, please press *1,

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unmute your phone, and record your first and last

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name slowly and clearly when prompted. Our first caller

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is Dustin LeBlanc with Sustainable Transit El Dorado,

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you may go ahead.

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Afternoon, Administrative Law Judge Patrick. Uh, I'm

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calling in uh, be on behalf of Sustainable Transit 

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El Dorado. Uh, we are interested in keeping California's

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green transition going. Uh for the sake of uh, getting

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around to commute. Our work is sometimes as far away

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as San Jose. Uh, and so we're very interested in energy

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issues. I wanted to uh emphasize that in today's uh

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considerations or the considerations for the extension

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of Diablo. There's really only one piece of information

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that is crucially important. And that is uh from Daniel

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Camber, uh an IPCC uh Coordinating Author since 1999. And

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also a Professor of Nuclear Engineering at the revered

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Berkeley, uh UC Berkeley. So he debated uh, with Steven

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Chu uh back in 2016. When the original decision by PG&E

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to close the Canyon was made. And uh, he won

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that debate and his main argument was that batteries

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not nuclear were the way of the future. To bet on those.

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And history has demonstrated him right. That we now

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have more than 5 gigawatt hours. Uh, sorry. Five gigawatt

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of battery capacity. That's 20 gigawatt hours since

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they're four hour rated batteries available on uh, the

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grid. And they are actually what are responsible for

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keeping that grid up during last September's uh, major

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heat wave. Uh, it particularly affected my area. Because

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uh, the power line that was importing went down. Uh,

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and yet, you know, Diablo could not provide any of

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that sort of back up. The rest of the grid did not

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go down because of the batteries that were available

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for the rest of the lines. But uh, Diablo was of no

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import for the resilience to my community and yet it

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did protect the rest of the state. There were no other

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blackouts due to that massive loss of uh, power available

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to be imported. We still had enough in storage to cover

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our state. Now, uh I also wanted to say that that battery

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capacity is growing, right? Not only does it provide

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two times the amount of resilience that Diablo would.

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Uh the, uh a number of gigawatt hours during that four

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hour afternoon period, uh at Diablo. Uh, the battery capacity

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is set to almost double even by the end of the year,

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and be uh up to 130 gigawatt hours by 2030. So this

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really is the way of the future. We are making investments

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in new technology, not legacy monoliths. And this will

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help our clean energy transition. Uh, I wanted to compare

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that uh, rooftop solar and grid scale solar are about

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equivalent. Those are at about uh, 14 gigawatt hours

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of gigawatts uh, peak capacity. Getting anywhere between

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4 to 6 hours worth of charge.

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So that is actually what will supply those batteries

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at way less cost than Diablo. Zero emissions. We do

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not need an unsafe plant on a nuclear fault. In order

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to keep our energy transition. Rooftop solar is the

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way to go and Camen says so himself. Thank you very much 

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for your comment today. I appreciate it.

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Uh Operator, may we have the next caller, please?

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Our, our next caller is Mayor Caren Ray Russom

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with Arroyo Grande. You may go ahead. Thank you. Good

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afternoon, my name is Caren Ray Russom. I'm Mayor of

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the City of Arroyo Grande. And by our Council bylaws

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I have to disclose that I'm speaking as an individual

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Council Member and not, and not with official current

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concurrence of my Council. And of the three issues that

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you're discussing at hand today. I'd like to speak

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specifically on the potential extension of operations

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at Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant. Arroyo Grande is a city

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in the San Luis County is a direct beneficiary of Diablo

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Canyon. Many of our residents work at the plant having

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made their lives and careers there. The plant provides

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critical head of household jobs countywide. Additionally, 

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and more broadly importantly to Californians on the

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whole. Diablo provides critical energy necessary to

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support our grid as we face climate change and the

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electrification of our fleet of cars statewide. We

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simply don't have the clean electrical resources needed

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to attack climate change and transition away from nuclear

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power with the urgency necessary to make immediate

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and widespread effect. I urge you to take every step

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necessary to ensure the continued safe operation of

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Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant for the good of all

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Californians. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. I appreciate

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your comments today. Uh Operator, can we have the next

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caller, please?

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Our next caller is Debbie Arnold with San Luis Obispo County

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Supervisor for the 5th District. You may go ahead.

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Thank you. And my name is Debbie Arnold, A. R. N. L. O. D. And

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I am a member of the San Luis Obispo County Board

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of Supervisors representing the 5th District. Uh

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first of all, I wanna thank the Commission for the

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opportunity to speak today. Um, I do support the extension

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of the Diablo Canyon Power Plant. I believe that Californians

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um, need a dependable power source capable of providing

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uninterrupted electric service. Um, please allow for

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the extension of Diablo Canyon service, whatever that

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whatever that's going to take. Uh, Diablo Canyon is

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an important source of emissions free, dependable

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energy for the entire state of California. And again

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thank you for the opportunity to speak.

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Thank you very much Supervisor. Operator, may we have

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the next caller please? Our next caller is Brett Garret,

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you may go ahead.

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Hi, my name is Brett Garrett from Santa Cruz and the

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spelling is B. R. E. T. T. Last name, G. A. R. R. E. T. T. I'd like to

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say, please shut down the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Facility.

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The bill SB846 clearly states that the extension is

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authorized only if nuclear energy from Diablo Canyon

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can be shown to improve grid reliability during times

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of shortfall. Batteries are a much better resource

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for improving grid reliability. Because batteries can

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adjust instantly in response to the grid conditions, 

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and the nuclear plants cannot do that. Since August 2020, 

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at least 5000 megawatts of new large scale batteries

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have come online. That's more than twice the peak power

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capacity of Diablo Canyon Nuclear Plant. These batteries

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already address grid reliability better than Diablo

00:17:03.219 --> 00:17:07.049
Canyon ever can and more batteries are coming every

00:17:07.059 --> 00:17:11.019
day. So please shut down the nuclear plant. Take heed

00:17:11.029 --> 00:17:14.640
of the lessons of Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, Fukushima

00:17:14.650 --> 00:17:18.390
and others. Nuclear energy is unsafe. It's especially

00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:23.130
unsafe near an earthquake fault. And in this case, it's

00:17:23.140 --> 00:17:26.029
in the, in the it's especially unsafe in the hands

00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:29.769
of PG&E. Which has an atrocious history of starting

00:17:29.779 --> 00:17:34.549
wildfires, more than 30 wildfires since 2017. And they've

00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:38.588
had the exploding pipelines in San Bruno and Bakersfield.

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So I know some people say this plant is safe, but it's

00:17:42.949 --> 00:17:46.189
not in safe hands. This company has a terrible safety

00:17:46.199 --> 00:17:49.939
record. So please shut down the nuclear plant. Um, and

00:17:49.949 --> 00:17:52.729
please support distributed renewable wind and solar

00:17:52.739 --> 00:17:57.078
panel, solar power with batteries instead. Um, there's

00:17:57.088 --> 00:18:01.098
a song by Fred Small. It says "Three Mile Island blew

00:18:01.108 --> 00:18:03.689
down their lies. Next time it happens, how many will

00:18:03.699 --> 00:18:06.439
die? We've got our eyes on the future, got our feet

00:18:06.449 --> 00:18:08.689
on the ground. Gonna shut down the nukes, shut 'em 

00:18:08.699 --> 00:18:14.239
down." That was by Fred Small in 1981.

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Thank you very much. Thank you for your time. I appreciate

00:18:17.670 --> 00:18:20.779
your comments. Operator, may we have the next caller 

00:18:20.789 --> 00:18:25.390
please? Our next caller is Gene Nelson, you may go

00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:31.939
ahead. Uh, yes. My name is Dr. Gene Nelson. That's G. E. N. E. N. E. L. S. O. N.

00:18:32.019 --> 00:18:34.779
And I live right near the plant in San Luis Obispo,

00:18:34.789 --> 00:18:39.578
California. And California needs Diablo Canyon safe,

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reliable, abundant, cost effective and zero emission

00:18:43.479 --> 00:18:48.789
power. Um, I'd like to draw your attention to a, uh

00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:53.269
a study that was released today by the anti-nuclear

00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:56.229
environmental working group. And they try to scare us

00:18:56.239 --> 00:18:59.834
by talking about huge amounts of money. Well, does

00:19:00.164 --> 00:19:03.795
Diablo Canyon generates huge amounts of power. We can do a

00:19:03.805 --> 00:19:08.084
simple calculation. First of all, for 23 years of generation

00:19:08.094 --> 00:19:11.654
we're going to get 440 terawatt hours of power. That's

00:19:11.664 --> 00:19:15.568
a terawatt hours is a billion kilowatt hours. Uh, PG&E

00:19:15.578 --> 00:19:19.390
cost projection for operation to 2045 is $20

00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:23.000
billion. What does that yield for a cost? A whopping

00:19:23.009 --> 00:19:27.019
4.83 cents per kilowatt hour. I'm gonna repeat that

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4.83 cents per kilowatt hour. Sure. That's more than

00:19:30.828 --> 00:19:34.400
large hydro, but it's less than natural gas in California.

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Past experience shows that in typical dry years, a

00:19:37.430 --> 00:19:40.739
large hydro capacity factor or percentage on time is

00:19:40.750 --> 00:19:44.568
about 20%. On the other hand, Diablo Canyon's typical

00:19:44.578 --> 00:19:48.930
capacity is greater than 90%. Uh, the opponents of the

00:19:48.939 --> 00:19:51.880
plant use similar cost of inflation techniques that

00:19:51.890 --> 00:19:58.568
were used in CEERT's 2016 Diablo Canyon cost projections. And

00:19:58.578 --> 00:20:02.108
uh, for rebuttal to see the flawed story, flawed study

00:20:02.118 --> 00:20:04.979
that started it all. By the Breakthrough Institute in

00:20:04.989 --> 00:20:09.969
August of 2022. Uh, we already hearing about how great

00:20:09.979 --> 00:20:12.680
batteries are. Well, let's look at uh September the

00:20:12.689 --> 00:20:18.568
sixth of uh 2022. Batteries pooped out and that's the

00:20:18.578 --> 00:20:22.469
big problem. Diablo Canyon can be considered a battery that

00:20:22.479 --> 00:20:26.549
runs for not hours at a time, but years at a time

00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:32.640
without any (inaudible). So keep Diablo Canyon running. Thank you.

00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:36.380
Thank you, I appreciate your comments today. Operator,

00:20:36.390 --> 00:20:39.868
may we have the next caller please? Our next caller

00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:44.078
is Brad Albrecht, you may go ahead.

00:20:44.078 --> 00:20:47.828
Yes thank you, Commissioners. Uh, this is Fred Albrecht.

00:20:47.838 --> 00:20:54.949
That's A. L. B. R. E. C. H. T. I'm in Rohnert Park, California. I'm definitely

00:20:54.959 --> 00:20:58.430
in favor of extending the operation of the Diablo Canyon 

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Nuclear Plant. With the increasing demand for electricity

00:21:02.588 --> 00:21:06.739
caused by higher temperatures and more electric vehicles.

00:21:07.009 --> 00:21:10.900
We need every kilowatt we can generate. Nuclear power

00:21:10.910 --> 00:21:14.519
is part of that among the various types of power plants

00:21:14.529 --> 00:21:19.039
coal, oil and natural gas. Nuclear power contributes

00:21:19.049 --> 00:21:23.140
the least additional carbon to the atmosphere. James uh,

00:21:23.150 --> 00:21:27.348
Lovelock, the scientist who formulated the Gaia principle.

00:21:27.358 --> 00:21:31.358
That the earth is a living organism was a strong advocate

00:21:31.368 --> 00:21:35.930
for nuclear power. Also France, which is definitely

00:21:35.939 --> 00:21:39.420
a liberal country. Generates a large portion of their

00:21:39.430 --> 00:21:45.088
power from nuclear. So I would really ask the uh, the

00:21:45.098 --> 00:21:49.239
Commission to continue and extend the operation of

00:21:49.250 --> 00:21:53.000
Diablo Canyon. Thank you.

00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:55.170
Thank you very much. I appreciate your comments today.

00:21:56.459 --> 00:21:59.910
Operator, may we have the next caller please?

00:21:59.910 --> 00:22:03.779
Our next caller is Dawn Ortiz-Legg, the San Luis County

00:22:03.789 --> 00:22:16.209
Supervisor. You may go ahead.

00:22:16.209 --> 00:22:19.269
Supervisor are you, are you there? Yes, I am. Can

00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:22.848
you hear me, okay? Yes, we can hear you. Please proceed.

00:22:23.709 --> 00:22:26.979
Thank you so much. We appreciate the opportunity to

00:22:26.989 --> 00:22:30.489
provide our feedback to the CPUC and the public hearing

00:22:30.500 --> 00:22:33.739
that you're holding right now. Um, um on behalf of

00:22:33.750 --> 00:22:37.318
the Board of Supervisors. In March of 2022, we sent a

00:22:37.328 --> 00:22:40.699
letter to the Governor Newsom in support of extension

00:22:40.709 --> 00:22:45.670
of a plant operations for Diablo Canyon. Diablo Canyon

00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:49.699
is a such a significant facility. Um, not just for SLO

00:22:49.709 --> 00:22:52.618
County but for the state of California. Whether it's

00:22:52.630 --> 00:22:56.750
the clean carbon free energy or the baseline energy

00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:59.969
it, that it's providing. We all support the effort

00:22:59.979 --> 00:23:04.328
of the plant to continue operations for um the, the

00:23:04.338 --> 00:23:08.279
generation of energy that it, it provides. As far

00:23:08.289 --> 00:23:12.799
as our safety and um oversight. We are very happy with

00:23:12.809 --> 00:23:17.239
the Diablo Decommissioning panels that go look at things

00:23:17.250 --> 00:23:21.219
but also with the um, the third party Safety Committee

00:23:21.229 --> 00:23:24.779
too. So, on behalf of the Slow County, we just wanna

00:23:24.789 --> 00:23:28.160
thank you um for taking this into consideration and

00:23:28.170 --> 00:23:31.318
we look forward to uh five more years of extension

00:23:31.328 --> 00:23:35.180
of Diablo Canyon to as we transition to our clean energy

00:23:35.189 --> 00:23:39.309
sources Thank you very much. Thank you supervisor.

00:23:39.318 --> 00:23:42.160
I appreciate your comments today.

00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:45.640
Operator. May we have the next caller, please? Her

00:23:45.650 --> 00:23:50.059
next caller is Daphne Domes. You may go ahead. Can

00:23:50.068 --> 00:23:55.459
you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Um Thank you. I

00:23:55.469 --> 00:23:59.750
uh live uh the last name is spelled D A HMS. First

00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:03.930
name Daphne. Daphne. I live on the Monterey Peninsula

00:24:04.229 --> 00:24:08.420
where uh they are in the process of defeating a desalination

00:24:08.430 --> 00:24:13.439
plant and uh near the Moss landing. Sorry, I, I, that

00:24:13.449 --> 00:24:16.719
definitely, I apologize. Uh We were having some uh

00:24:16.729 --> 00:24:19.390
problem with your line or at least I was, uh and I

00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:21.299
wanted to make sure we could transcribe your comments

00:24:21.309 --> 00:24:22.818
for the court reporter. So we've just gone off the

00:24:22.828 --> 00:24:26.689
record. Um When we go back on, uh we'll reset the,

00:24:26.699 --> 00:24:29.910
the two minutes for you. Um And just maybe have you

00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:32.959
start from the top so that we can make sure to, to

00:24:32.969 --> 00:24:35.068
catch everything you're saying for the record. Is that

00:24:35.078 --> 00:24:39.848
OK? All right. Can you hear me now? Yeah, it's a little

00:24:39.858 --> 00:24:43.219
clearer now that that's more helpful. Um So let's go

00:24:43.229 --> 00:24:46.150
ahead and, yeah. Ok. That, that's probably gonna help

00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:48.739
Thank you so much for that. Uh Let's be back on the

00:24:48.750 --> 00:24:52.289
record. OK. If you would like to start at the top,

00:24:52.299 --> 00:24:59.789
that would be great. Yes. Uh Daphne Daphnesd, a HMS

00:24:59.809 --> 00:25:02.420
living on the Monterey Peninsula where they are in

00:25:02.430 --> 00:25:06.500
the process of defeating a desalination plant and near

00:25:06.930 --> 00:25:10.289
the uh, old power plant at Moss Landing, which has

00:25:10.299 --> 00:25:13.910
been recently turned into a battery storage facility

00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:19.358
which, uh, in the last, uh, 3 to 5 years, uh, has

00:25:19.368 --> 00:25:23.809
had no less than three major accidents, fires. The

00:25:23.818 --> 00:25:28.328
last of which, uh, last fall caused a shutdown of highway

00:25:28.338 --> 00:25:32.309
one for 24 hours and evacuation of local residents

00:25:32.318 --> 00:25:38.549
due to toxic smoke. Despite the, um, doomsday scenarios

00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:43.199
that have been, um, uh promulgated about diablo, it's

00:25:43.209 --> 00:25:47.858
run safely for decades. And I strongly support the

00:25:47.868 --> 00:25:52.759
continuation of the low cost energy that it can provide

00:25:52.769 --> 00:25:57.039
for years to come. I'm currently a retiree. I don't

00:25:57.049 --> 00:26:00.519
have the option of increasing my income. I recently

00:26:00.529 --> 00:26:04.769
moved back from Washington State where energy uh was

00:26:04.779 --> 00:26:09.910
mostly hydroelectric and cost me about 25 to $50 every

00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:16.769
two months. Currently, I pay 100 and $50 for less energy

00:26:16.779 --> 00:26:20.390
use. I'm extremely conservative but I run the risk

00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:25.789
of over running my uh small a lot, a lot, MS uh

00:26:26.019 --> 00:26:29.608
with PG and E I am a PG and E bundled customer

00:26:29.618 --> 00:26:34.309
I like PAG and a PG and E I have watched personally

00:26:34.318 --> 00:26:38.289
uh the helicopters and the maintenance on the uh electrical

00:26:38.299 --> 00:26:43.989
facilities and uh power lines in my area. I believe

00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:49.358
PGNE is very responsible and that uh nuclear power

00:26:49.368 --> 00:26:53.009
in general is one of the most highly regulated industries

00:26:53.019 --> 00:26:58.868
in, in the world and is safe. Um The other thing is

00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:04.299
that, um, the Bay Aquarium has

00:27:04.299 --> 00:27:09.009
a pause on deep sea mining, uh which has become uh

00:27:09.019 --> 00:27:15.209
a requirement to fund these batteries. And um so the

00:27:15.219 --> 00:27:19.650
possibility of battery technology being maintained

00:27:19.660 --> 00:27:24.130
or increasing is somewhat in doubt and their development

00:27:24.140 --> 00:27:28.449
is currently in its infancy. Diablo is a stable long

00:27:28.459 --> 00:27:35.059
term solution for functional and inexpensive energy

00:27:35.068 --> 00:27:39.348
Thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Operator

00:27:39.358 --> 00:27:42.338
May we have the next caller please?

00:27:42.338 --> 00:27:46.739
Next caller is Bob Rowan. You may go ahead.

00:27:46.739 --> 00:27:49.969
Thank you. Can you hear me? Ok? Yes, we can. Thank

00:27:49.979 --> 00:27:54.259
you, sir. Ok. My name is Bob Row and that's spelled

00:27:54.269 --> 00:27:59.809
Rowen and I'm currently calling from uh Redding California

00:28:01.059 --> 00:28:03.660
I'm a former nuclear control technician who blew the

00:28:03.670 --> 00:28:07.469
whistle on PG and E and the Atomic Energy Commission

00:28:07.949 --> 00:28:10.789
I worked at PG and ES Humboldt Bay Nuclear Power Plant

00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:16.890
from March 1964 to June 1970. When I started there

00:28:16.900 --> 00:28:20.578
I believed nuclear power was the panacea to our emerging

00:28:20.588 --> 00:28:24.838
energy crises. However, my view of nuclear power changed

00:28:24.848 --> 00:28:27.868
during the course of my employment at Humboldt Bay

00:28:28.328 --> 00:28:32.779
in 1970 science magazine called Humboldt Bay, the dirtiest

00:28:32.789 --> 00:28:35.328
plant in the country. And I can certainly vouch for

00:28:35.338 --> 00:28:38.848
that. I worked there for six years and all the while

00:28:38.858 --> 00:28:42.489
PG and E along with the A EC and then later, the

00:28:42.500 --> 00:28:46.358
NRC were claiming that nuclear power was safe, clean

00:28:46.368 --> 00:28:51.098
and economical, nothing could have been and is further

00:28:51.108 --> 00:28:54.759
from the truth, my primary purpose for speaking today

00:28:54.769 --> 00:28:59.769
is clearly to clearly state that PG and E and the regulatory

00:28:59.779 --> 00:29:02.969
agencies cannot be trusted to protect the public from

00:29:02.979 --> 00:29:06.729
the hazardous effects of nuclear power. I witnessed

00:29:06.739 --> 00:29:09.259
time and again radiation safety violations that were

00:29:09.269 --> 00:29:13.390
covered up. Here's just a few PG and E sold radioactively

00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:16.680
contaminated pipe to GNR scrap metal companies of Eureka

00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:20.789
And after I discovered what had taken place, I challenged

00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:23.630
it and PG E covered it up with threats to me and

00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:27.949
my family. Three employees had left the plant radioactively

00:29:27.959 --> 00:29:31.199
contaminated for three days. And after that was discovered

00:29:31.289 --> 00:29:34.250
plant management refused to adequately address what

00:29:34.259 --> 00:29:37.930
had taken place. Employees had not even been in the

00:29:37.939 --> 00:29:41.410
controlled area of the nuclear unit and were picking

00:29:41.420 --> 00:29:44.430
up extremely hot particles on their clothing and shoes

00:29:44.769 --> 00:29:47.779
The plant management ridiculously claimed was from

00:29:47.789 --> 00:29:55.318
Chinese atomic fallout fallout. We were

00:29:55.318 --> 00:29:58.618
ok. I'll finish up quickly in the employee parking

00:29:58.630 --> 00:30:01.789
lot to prevent the public from gaining access to the

00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:05.410
evidence of airborne radioactive contamination. Pge

00:30:05.420 --> 00:30:10.180
removed the con air sample monitor in January of 1970

00:30:10.189 --> 00:30:13.489
from the front of Soft Elementary School that was located

00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:17.059
just 400 yards downwind from the plant. You know, it's

00:30:17.068 --> 00:30:21.769
no wonder Governor Newsom supports an extension of

00:30:21.779 --> 00:30:25.979
operations at the canyon PG and E has contributed more

00:30:25.989 --> 00:30:30.828
than $200,000. Mr Roan. I'm I'm afraid I need to ask

00:30:30.838 --> 00:30:36.650
you to wrap it up. Thank you, sir.

00:30:36.650 --> 00:30:40.338
Ok. That sounds like that's all for Mr. That's all

00:30:40.348 --> 00:30:45.559
I had time for. Indeed. Thank you, sir.

00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:48.439
I appreciate your comments today, operator. Uh Can

00:30:48.449 --> 00:30:51.920
I have the next caller, please? Our next caller is

00:30:51.930 --> 00:30:56.068
Liz Brooking.

00:30:56.068 --> 00:31:01.029
This is Elizabeth Brooking Brooking. Thank you for

00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:04.068
this form. I'm calling from San Francisco and I'm very

00:31:04.078 --> 00:31:07.140
concerned by the efforts to renew the license for Diablo

00:31:07.150 --> 00:31:11.189
Canyon Nuclear Power Plant. Nobody has ever adequately

00:31:11.199 --> 00:31:14.259
solved the issue of safe transport and long term storage

00:31:14.269 --> 00:31:17.779
of radioactive waste which remains dangerous for tens

00:31:17.789 --> 00:31:21.318
of thousands of years. To my mind, a byproduct like

00:31:21.328 --> 00:31:24.439
this should automatically dismiss the notion that this

00:31:24.449 --> 00:31:29.140
kind of power is clean energy. I don't trust Pgne to

00:31:29.150 --> 00:31:31.858
manage a nuclear power plant that sits in the proximity

00:31:31.868 --> 00:31:35.400
of multiple earthquake faults. Both seismologists and

00:31:35.410 --> 00:31:40.059
us GS geologists have disputed the NRC and PGNES assessment

00:31:40.068 --> 00:31:42.799
of this plant's ability to withstand an earthquake

00:31:42.809 --> 00:31:47.519
of significant magnitude PG and E doesn't have an exemplary

00:31:47.529 --> 00:31:50.799
track record for preventative maintenance or safety

00:31:50.809 --> 00:31:54.670
issues and its negligence has caused real tragedies

00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:59.299
and death. It's filed for bankruptcy twice presumably

00:31:59.309 --> 00:32:02.259
to shield itself from some of the financial costs associated

00:32:02.269 --> 00:32:05.449
with the fallout from these tragedies. I urge you to

00:32:05.459 --> 00:32:08.630
prevent the relicensing of Diablo Canyon and instead

00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.509
accelerate the investment in other renewable energy

00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:15.559
sources. Thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate

00:32:15.568 --> 00:32:18.848
your comments today, operator, may we have the next

00:32:18.858 --> 00:32:22.939
caller please? Our next caller is Thomas Karen. You

00:32:22.949 --> 00:32:31.140
may go ahead Thank you. My name is Thomas Cairns Cains

00:32:31.239 --> 00:32:35.900
mckinley, California. I commend PG and E for annually

00:32:35.910 --> 00:32:39.348
issuing the Diablo Canyon radioactive effluent and

00:32:39.358 --> 00:32:43.239
radiological environmental operating reports. 18 years

00:32:43.250 --> 00:32:46.799
of which can be found online at the Nuclear Regulatory

00:32:46.809 --> 00:32:50.250
Commission website. However, no such comprehensive

00:32:50.259 --> 00:32:53.068
reports were ever issued for the Humboldt Bay Power

00:32:53.078 --> 00:32:58.439
Plant unit three only the A EC required six month operation

00:32:58.449 --> 00:33:02.618
reports which provided very little information. Next

00:33:02.630 --> 00:33:06.739
Tuesday, August 1st is the 60th anniversary of the

00:33:06.750 --> 00:33:10.299
Humboldt Bay Power Plant. A generation of electricity

00:33:10.309 --> 00:33:15.650
by nuclear power. This past July marked 47 years since

00:33:15.660 --> 00:33:20.430
the plant shut down. During that time PDE had a network

00:33:20.439 --> 00:33:25.180
of over three dozen radiation monitors. No map exists

00:33:25.189 --> 00:33:28.068
of their location and the data from those monitors

00:33:28.078 --> 00:33:31.430
has never been released when the Humboldt reactor was

00:33:31.439 --> 00:33:36.630
placed on Humboldt Bay. It violated all eight ec guidelines

00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:41.348
on where a reactor should be cited. Over 1700 residences

00:33:41.358 --> 00:33:46.118
with some 5000 citizens plus two elementary schools

00:33:46.130 --> 00:33:50.140
were within three miles of the reactor. South Bay Elementary

00:33:50.150 --> 00:33:54.598
School was less than a half a mile away. On July 17th

00:33:54.608 --> 00:33:58.358
1970 the Humboldt Bay Power Plant unit three suffered

00:33:58.368 --> 00:34:02.400
a nuclear accident, a severe loss of coolant accident

00:34:02.719 --> 00:34:06.959
10% of the fuel elements were damaged including four

00:34:06.969 --> 00:34:10.699
that had only been installed two months before the

00:34:10.708 --> 00:34:14.139
control rod guides suffered damage and the safety relief

00:34:14.148 --> 00:34:18.050
valves were all damaged and if power to the plant hadn't

00:34:18.059 --> 00:34:21.550
been restored. The core would have begun melting in

00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:27.099
60 minutes. PG and E the NRC and the Congress and Congressional

00:34:27.110 --> 00:34:30.978
Joint Committee on Atomic Safety

00:34:30.978 --> 00:34:34.199
and allowed the reactor to resume operating 21 days

00:34:34.208 --> 00:34:37.958
later. The damage was so severe that the rector only

00:34:37.969 --> 00:34:42.418
operated at 84%. I call on you members of the CPUC

00:34:42.550 --> 00:34:45.438
who only approve the extension of the Diablo Canyon

00:34:45.449 --> 00:34:49.208
extension of operations on the condition that PG and

00:34:49.219 --> 00:34:52.269
E the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the National

00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:56.099
archives released all radiological data gathered during

00:34:56.110 --> 00:34:58.728
the operation of the Humboldt Bay Power Plant unit

00:34:58.739 --> 00:35:02.909
three, the classified reports on the July 17th, 1970

00:35:02.918 --> 00:35:06.820
accident and do it to bring transparency to the radiation

00:35:06.829 --> 00:35:10.139
experiment that was placed in the center of Humboldt

00:35:10.148 --> 00:35:14.179
County's population in 1963. Thank you. Thank you,

00:35:14.188 --> 00:35:16.889
Mr. Thank you very much. I appreciate your comments

00:35:16.898 --> 00:35:20.168
today. Operator, may we have the next caller please

00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:25.820
Our next caller is Camil. You may go ahead.

00:35:25.820 --> 00:35:29.168
Hello, I'm calling from Santa Cruz. Thank you for taking

00:35:29.179 --> 00:35:31.769
my comment.

00:35:31.769 --> 00:35:34.750
A Canyon power plant should be shut down on schedule

00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:39.969
in 2024 and 2025. Extending Diablo's operations interferes

00:35:39.978 --> 00:35:42.550
with the state's ability to provide safe, clean and

00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:47.070
reliable energy to Californians. Diablo is located

00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:50.119
near four earthquake faults. This is a great concern

00:35:50.128 --> 00:35:53.418
to the safety of the area. An earthquake or tsunami

00:35:53.429 --> 00:35:56.449
could cause a disastrous meltdown at Diablo and could

00:35:56.458 --> 00:35:59.489
leave large swaths of California uninhabitable. For

00:35:59.500 --> 00:36:04.070
generations. While supporters of the extension argue

00:36:04.139 --> 00:36:07.289
that diablo is needed to support California's grid

00:36:07.300 --> 00:36:10.829
reliability. This issue is miles away in importance

00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:14.239
from the other concerning scenarios. The seismic cause

00:36:14.250 --> 00:36:17.250
meltdown scenario would be far, far more catastrophic

00:36:17.260 --> 00:36:20.349
than rolling blackouts that would cause a percentage

00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:24.199
of Californians to lose power for a few hours. And

00:36:24.208 --> 00:36:28.340
as diablo is not able to ramp up or down, it's not

00:36:28.349 --> 00:36:31.519
a good option for the emergency days when California

00:36:31.530 --> 00:36:35.878
needs more power than usual. The extension also allows

00:36:35.889 --> 00:36:39.500
for the production of more nuclear waste. The waste

00:36:39.510 --> 00:36:44.139
remains highly dangerous for generations. And plutonium

00:36:44.148 --> 00:36:49.228
2 39 is very deadly and long lived and it will be

00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.800
around for half a million years due to the long lived

00:36:52.809 --> 00:36:55.679
nature of this waste. There's no known safe options

00:36:55.688 --> 00:36:58.800
for disposing or isolating it from the environment

00:36:59.090 --> 00:37:02.309
Unfortunately, the United States is not closer to creating

00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:05.179
a solution to the nuclear waste problem than it was

00:37:05.188 --> 00:37:10.519
50 years ago. Diablo's continued operations will also

00:37:10.530 --> 00:37:13.809
harm the environment in other ways. It competes with

00:37:13.820 --> 00:37:16.789
renewables, taking up space on transmission lines and

00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:20.320
making it difficult to build more renewables. For example

00:37:20.329 --> 00:37:24.090
California iso curtails renewable resources and supply

00:37:24.099 --> 00:37:27.659
outstrips the demand. And as stated previously, Diablo

00:37:27.668 --> 00:37:30.329
is inflexible and can't be ramped down when there's

00:37:30.340 --> 00:37:34.519
a surplus of energy that will elbow out the other resources

00:37:34.530 --> 00:37:38.820
like wind and solar. It also uses once through cooling

00:37:38.829 --> 00:37:41.878
which harms millions of coastal organisms per year

00:37:41.889 --> 00:37:45.958
sucking the ocean life and water into its cooling system

00:37:45.969 --> 00:37:48.739
and spinning back the heated water into the ocean.

00:37:49.418 --> 00:37:52.250
And on top of these environmental issues, nuclear power

00:37:52.260 --> 00:37:55.349
is more costly than wind and solar. So rather than

00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:59.159
keeping the aging open longer, California should spend

00:37:59.168 --> 00:38:02.869
its resources creating safer, cheaper and greener energy

00:38:02.878 --> 00:38:07.119
Thank you. Thank you, Miss. Uh and I've, I've been

00:38:07.128 --> 00:38:10.369
informed, we still have about 33 speakers in the queue

00:38:10.378 --> 00:38:12.570
Uh And in order to make sure everyone has a turn to

00:38:12.579 --> 00:38:14.570
speak, I I will want everyone to stay at their two

00:38:14.579 --> 00:38:17.300
minutes, please. Uh That helps us make sure that everyone

00:38:17.309 --> 00:38:20.139
has a chance uh to submit their comments today. Uh

00:38:20.148 --> 00:38:24.519
Operator. Uh May we have the next speaker please?

00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:27.438
Our next caller is Oken Williams. You may go ahead

00:38:27.449 --> 00:38:33.478
and hello, this is Williams from Santa Cruz, the CPUC

00:38:33.489 --> 00:38:35.438
in considering whether to approve the extension of

00:38:35.449 --> 00:38:39.188
operations at the Di Canyon holds in its hands, a decision

00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:42.378
that will shape California for decades. If not millennia

00:38:42.389 --> 00:38:45.780
to come, the CPUC would do well to remember that Die

00:38:45.978 --> 00:38:49.478
Canyon is not just gigawatt hours on a page. It is

00:38:49.489 --> 00:38:54.250
15 billion caries of radiation per reactor, an amount

00:38:54.260 --> 00:38:56.688
of deadly potential contamination that boggles the

00:38:56.699 --> 00:39:01.000
mind. Human cancers start showing up at levels one

00:39:01.010 --> 00:39:06.099
trillion times smaller than one single cure of radioactivity

00:39:06.860 --> 00:39:10.398
and diablo Canyon. Well operating houses 30 billion

00:39:10.409 --> 00:39:13.898
such queries that's not even counting but still higher

00:39:13.909 --> 00:39:16.898
amounts of radioactivity from the waste, a breakdown

00:39:16.909 --> 00:39:19.869
at the facility which takes little stretching to imagine

00:39:20.070 --> 00:39:22.789
could poison every Californian many times over and

00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:25.639
renders vast swaths of our beautiful state. Literally

00:39:25.648 --> 00:39:28.309
uninhabitable a scenario which always seems like it

00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:32.429
won't happen here until it does to choose to operate

00:39:32.438 --> 00:39:35.070
such a facility. In order to keep the lights on while

00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:37.829
workable, alternate options exist would be lunacy,

00:39:38.489 --> 00:39:40.898
never mind that the plant runs off, creaking machinery

00:39:40.909 --> 00:39:43.958
decades old and has a backlog of many years of deferred

00:39:43.969 --> 00:39:46.760
maintenance. The high costs of which would be passed

00:39:46.769 --> 00:39:51.039
to taxpayers and ratepayers never mind. The plant is

00:39:51.050 --> 00:39:53.199
surrounded by seismic faults that can cause an earthquake

00:39:53.208 --> 00:39:55.728
greater than the plant was designed to withstand. Never

00:39:55.739 --> 00:39:57.949
mind that PG and E and the NRC knew this as the

00:39:57.958 --> 00:40:00.179
plant was being licensed and built and ignored it.

00:40:00.500 --> 00:40:02.728
No, never mind that they can definitely be trusted

00:40:02.739 --> 00:40:05.820
to ensure the plant's safety. Never mind that the state

00:40:05.829 --> 00:40:07.978
has already purchased more than enough renewable power

00:40:07.989 --> 00:40:10.679
to replace the output from Diablo. Never mind that

00:40:10.688 --> 00:40:13.079
the continued operation of Diablo hurts the rollout

00:40:13.090 --> 00:40:17.079
of renewable power as PG.

00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:20.478
Thank you. Thank you very much for your comments today

00:40:20.489 --> 00:40:24.030
I appreciate it. Operator. May we have the next caller

00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:28.269
please? Our next caller is Barbara Steps. You may go

00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:30.500
ahead.

00:40:30.500 --> 00:40:34.688
I'm Barbara Stevens with the local Clean Energy Alliance

00:40:34.699 --> 00:40:39.329
which is located in Oakland. Um We've advocated for

00:40:39.340 --> 00:40:43.030
equitable local clean energy in the Bay. Area and beyond

00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:47.958
For over 15 years, the energy from Diablo Kenya Nuclear

00:40:47.969 --> 00:40:53.168
Power Plant is the opposite kind of energy with inequitable

00:40:53.179 --> 00:40:57.539
consequences, especially from mining uranium falling

00:40:57.550 --> 00:41:02.219
invariably and most consequentially on frontline communities

00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:06.699
From the life cycle perspective of any nuclear power

00:41:06.708 --> 00:41:10.530
plant, there is no way that the energy produced can

00:41:10.539 --> 00:41:15.760
be described as clean nor renewable. In addition, as

00:41:15.769 --> 00:41:19.918
evidenced by the nuclear power disasters over the decades

00:41:19.949 --> 00:41:24.789
of its existence, starting with Three Mile Island Chernobyl

00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:29.010
and Fukushima. The dangers that these plants represent

00:41:29.019 --> 00:41:32.800
to the globe and all its inhabitants is not worth the

00:41:32.809 --> 00:41:37.628
energy keeping a nuclear power plant open is equivalent

00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:42.628
to playing Russian roulette. We urge the commission

00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:46.449
to reject any extension of this disaster waiting to

00:41:46.458 --> 00:41:50.510
happen. Acknowledge the many issues still plaguing

00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:54.929
the plant, newly discovered earthquake faults accumulating

00:41:54.938 --> 00:41:58.840
way. So radi active, it cannot be moved away from the

00:41:58.849 --> 00:42:03.760
plant, aging structures and machinery, necessitating

00:42:03.769 --> 00:42:07.769
frequent repairs and threatening hazardous situations

00:42:07.958 --> 00:42:12.059
Those many problems resulted in the 2016 agreement

00:42:12.070 --> 00:42:16.469
to shut it down and they have only gotten more urgent

00:42:16.478 --> 00:42:23.699
since then. We say shut it down now. Thank you. Thank

00:42:23.708 --> 00:42:25.679
you, Miss Evans. I appreciate your comments today.

00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:30.599
Operator. May we have the next call, please? Our next

00:42:30.610 --> 00:42:35.840
caller is Audrey. You may go ahead. Thank you. Um My

00:42:35.849 --> 00:42:42.159
name is Audrey Ichinose. IC Hin Os E, I'm a member

00:42:42.168 --> 00:42:46.260
of the East Bay Clean Power Alliance. I live in Berkeley

00:42:46.269 --> 00:42:49.530
and I'm a member also of the California Alliance for

00:42:49.539 --> 00:42:53.369
Community Energy. Thank you for holding these hearings

00:42:53.409 --> 00:42:58.340
Um Please uh please end diablo Canyon generation as

00:42:58.349 --> 00:43:03.418
originally mandated. I have like many, many others

00:43:03.429 --> 00:43:07.619
I'm concerned about two major issues. One is our slow

00:43:07.628 --> 00:43:12.050
too slow progress with respect to state and local climate

00:43:12.059 --> 00:43:15.958
action plans. We're just not making it, we're not doing

00:43:15.969 --> 00:43:21.050
it. We have to be accelerate our activities. Secondly

00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:25.530
like a previous caller, I'm, I'm really concerned about

00:43:25.539 --> 00:43:29.329
the absolute failure of, of the federal government

00:43:29.340 --> 00:43:34.099
but others to confront the issue of nuclear waste disposal

00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:38.918
And as the previous speaker just uh pointed out, it's

00:43:38.929 --> 00:43:43.869
not just what to do with the waste that we've all already

00:43:43.878 --> 00:43:49.869
generated since 1945. It's, it also involves cleaning

00:43:49.878 --> 00:43:55.269
up the many abandoned uranium mines that happen. So

00:43:55.280 --> 00:44:00.469
uh understandably, yeah, I say that cynically uh that

00:44:00.478 --> 00:44:05.219
happened to be located on Native American land. So

00:44:05.289 --> 00:44:10.188
given these two major concerns, II, I think I, I want

00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:13.849
the commission to consider Diablo Canyon in a different

00:44:13.860 --> 00:44:20.119
light. You know, we, we can use canyon as a crutch

00:44:20.539 --> 00:44:25.369
Well, it's emblematic, this, the uh proposal to extend

00:44:25.378 --> 00:44:29.949
its life is emblematic of the temporizing that has

00:44:29.958 --> 00:44:35.679
allowed us to ignore uh what is happening now all around

00:44:35.688 --> 00:44:41.539
us with frightening effect. It allows us to thank you

00:44:41.550 --> 00:44:45.188
of having to fundamentally change the way we live our

00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.579
lives. Thank you very much. Thank you mister. I appreciate

00:44:49.590 --> 00:44:51.889
your time today,

00:44:51.889 --> 00:44:55.418
operator. May we have the next caller, please?

00:44:55.418 --> 00:44:58.188
Our next caller is Allie Buffalo. You may go ahead

00:45:00.489 --> 00:45:04.159
Hi, this is Sally Buffalo. Thank you for uh the opportunity

00:45:04.168 --> 00:45:07.458
to speak today. I'm communications director at reach

00:45:07.469 --> 00:45:10.898
a regional economic impact organization with a mission

00:45:10.909 --> 00:45:14.739
to support economic planning and unlock economic opportunity

00:45:14.750 --> 00:45:18.070
for San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara counties. We

00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:20.418
have spent the last few years deeply involved in work

00:45:20.429 --> 00:45:23.039
related to Diablo's transition and reuse planning,

00:45:23.378 --> 00:45:26.599
engaging with a broad base of community partners, banning

00:45:26.610 --> 00:45:30.458
private sector government nonprofit and tribal representatives

00:45:31.188 --> 00:45:33.579
We have coordinated community efforts to plan for the

00:45:33.590 --> 00:45:37.309
long term future of the plant's assets to ensure economic

00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:41.030
stability and to position the central coast to lead

00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:44.300
as our state transitions to a new energy ecosystem

00:45:44.539 --> 00:45:47.539
including the west coast's first offshore wind development

00:45:47.550 --> 00:45:51.050
taking shape off our coast. This work resulted in a

00:45:51.059 --> 00:45:54.000
joint vision for fostering a clean tech innovation

00:45:54.010 --> 00:45:57.329
park at parcel P which was endorsed by our federal

00:45:57.340 --> 00:46:01.148
state and local elected officials and other stakeholders

00:46:01.728 --> 00:46:04.148
We have since collaborated closely with the state,

00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.079
tribal representatives, the local land Conservancy

00:46:07.090 --> 00:46:10.530
and Cal Poly to translate this vision and parallel

00:46:10.539 --> 00:46:13.418
work on conserving surrounding lands into a concrete

00:46:13.429 --> 00:46:17.550
plan of action that can coexist with continued to plant

00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:21.050
operations. We support extended operations under the

00:46:21.059 --> 00:46:25.030
timeline and provisions of SB 8 46 the preservation

00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:28.938
of 1500 good paying jobs as well as critical new resources

00:46:28.949 --> 00:46:32.739
and planning for clean energy innovation, land conservation

00:46:32.898 --> 00:46:36.360
and tribal celebration provide a boost to our regional

00:46:36.369 --> 00:46:40.860
economy and a bridge to our future vision planning

00:46:40.869 --> 00:46:43.449
for our region's future requires clarity and certainty

00:46:43.458 --> 00:46:46.909
in the timeline for Diablo Kean's operations, as well

00:46:46.918 --> 00:46:50.000
as open and ongoing communication and collaboration

00:46:50.179 --> 00:46:53.188
to ensure a successful transition. While honoring our

00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:56.309
community's commitments to clean energy innovation

00:46:56.320 --> 00:47:00.148
land conservation and tribal celebration, we believe

00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.909
we can work together toward the shared goal of a sustainable

00:47:02.918 --> 00:47:05.699
diverse and thriving central coast. Thank you for your

00:47:05.708 --> 00:47:08.820
consideration. Thank you very much for your comment

00:47:08.829 --> 00:47:12.128
today. I appreciate it. I, we have the next color,

00:47:12.139 --> 00:47:16.769
please. Our next call is Dori Raskin. You may go ahead

00:47:24.878 --> 00:47:28.179
Sorry. Are you there

00:47:28.179 --> 00:47:33.269
again? Your line is open. You could you hear me? Yes

00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:38.208
I can hear you now. Thank you. Please go ahead.

00:47:38.208 --> 00:47:42.610
Hello. Hello. Can you, can you hear us story? Yeah

00:47:42.619 --> 00:47:50.780
I can hear you. Um I'm Dori Raskin Raskin and I live

00:47:50.789 --> 00:47:56.750
in uh Northridge, uh part of uh L A Los Angeles and

00:47:56.760 --> 00:48:02.579
I'm calling uh my concern about Diablo Canyon is really

00:48:02.590 --> 00:48:09.079
about the safety about the radiation, about um that

00:48:09.090 --> 00:48:15.070
the site to continue would be too expensive. Um And

00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:20.090
um and we as taxpayers and as ratepayers are gonna

00:48:20.099 --> 00:48:26.938
be stuck uh paying the bill. Um uh

00:48:26.938 --> 00:48:33.918
um I'm concerned uh well, as everybody knows it's on

00:48:33.929 --> 00:48:39.250
a lot of earthquake faults and what's to say, uh We

00:48:39.260 --> 00:48:44.550
won't get an uh Fukushima there and I am concerned

00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:52.099
about the accidents, the radiation and, um, it, uh

00:48:52.989 --> 00:48:59.199
um, I'm concerned about cancers, uh, illnesses of,

00:48:59.208 --> 00:49:04.360
um, uh, Children getting rare cancers of getting, uh

00:49:04.369 --> 00:49:09.228
learning, uh, developmental learning, uh, problems

00:49:09.628 --> 00:49:16.030
Um, and, and it's just, and then trying to clean up

00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:21.289
the, the toxic waste which is, which the polluter takes

00:49:21.300 --> 00:49:25.909
a long, long time, dragging their feet and never cleaning

00:49:25.918 --> 00:49:34.809
up. Um, um, and then with the, the system running as

00:49:34.820 --> 00:49:40.340
if would mean that uh the the cooling system would

00:49:40.349 --> 00:49:48.398
kill marine life. Um As I say, uh, shut down the canyon

00:49:48.590 --> 00:49:56.070
reject uh a continuation of its extension. Um People's

00:49:56.079 --> 00:50:00.579
health is important. The community is important, not

00:50:00.590 --> 00:50:05.519
the profits. Thank you very much. Bye bye. Thank you

00:50:05.530 --> 00:50:09.228
I appreciate your comments today. Thank you, operator

00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:12.769
May we have the next caller, please? Our next caller

00:50:12.780 --> 00:50:18.079
is Alex Dodd. You may go ahead. Hello, my name is Alex

00:50:18.329 --> 00:50:24.219
Dod G. Um I'm calling to oppose an extension of the

00:50:24.530 --> 00:50:28.320
Canyon Power plant. Um, at the core of this issue is

00:50:28.329 --> 00:50:30.728
the fact that the plant was only built to withstand

00:50:30.739 --> 00:50:33.728
a modest earthquake. Now, however, we know that there

00:50:33.739 --> 00:50:36.320
are four fault lines in the area which are capable

00:50:36.329 --> 00:50:40.369
of producing more extreme quakes. Da Lewis Bay fault

00:50:40.378 --> 00:50:43.628
the shoreline fault, the Los Osos fault and the fault

00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:47.128
system are all close enough to the client to destabilize

00:50:47.139 --> 00:50:50.179
the reactors in the event of an earthquake. A rupture

00:50:50.188 --> 00:50:52.550
of any one of these faults can potentially unleash

00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:55.619
extremely dangerous levels of radioactivity into the

00:50:55.628 --> 00:50:59.099
environment and human and ecological health at risk

00:50:59.110 --> 00:51:02.809
across a huge geographic area. The earthquake issue

00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:05.659
presents an unacceptable, unacceptable risk to the

00:51:05.668 --> 00:51:08.728
continued operation of the Dia Canyon Nuclear Power

00:51:08.739 --> 00:51:12.849
plant. That fire, that fire potential consequences

00:51:12.860 --> 00:51:15.769
cannot be overlooked by the CPUC and they must act

00:51:15.780 --> 00:51:18.760
in the public interest and halt any extension to the

00:51:18.769 --> 00:51:21.648
power plant. Thank you.

00:51:21.648 --> 00:51:23.739
Thank you very much. I appreciate your comments today

00:51:25.070 --> 00:51:28.938
Operator, may we have the next caller, please?

00:51:28.938 --> 00:51:33.260
Our next caller is James Hop. You may go ahead. Can

00:51:33.269 --> 00:51:36.260
you hear me? Yes, we can hear you, James. Go ahead

00:51:36.269 --> 00:51:43.750
please. Ok. Um My name is James Hoff. That's J am Eshopf

00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:46.780
I'm from Tracy California and I'm thankful for the

00:51:46.789 --> 00:51:50.300
opportunity to comment today. California must keep

00:51:50.309 --> 00:51:54.070
Die Canyon running at least until 2030 hopefully much

00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:57.780
longer than that for the sake of the climate and ratepayers

00:51:57.909 --> 00:52:01.128
Both the governor and the legislator later have made

00:52:01.139 --> 00:52:04.010
their intentions clear that Die Canyon should remain

00:52:04.019 --> 00:52:07.668
in operation through 2030. The primary reason given

00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.619
has to do with grid reliability and avoiding blackout

00:52:10.958 --> 00:52:13.628
but closing the plant would also set California back

00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.530
tremendously with respect to reducing power sector

00:52:16.820 --> 00:52:19.969
co two emissions. It would also increase overall power

00:52:19.978 --> 00:52:24.179
system cost. In recent hearings. The CE C has expressed

00:52:24.188 --> 00:52:27.429
doubt that grid reliability could be assured if Diablo

00:52:27.438 --> 00:52:30.699
closes despite strong efforts to procure large amounts

00:52:30.708 --> 00:52:34.289
of renewable generation and battery storage. Also at

00:52:34.300 --> 00:52:37.469
the legislative hearings for SB 8 46 the governor's

00:52:37.478 --> 00:52:40.840
own expert stated matter of factly that if Diablo Canyon

00:52:40.849 --> 00:52:43.579
closes, the net effect will mostly be its replacement

00:52:43.590 --> 00:52:47.208
by gas generation, whether it closes before 2030 or

00:52:47.219 --> 00:52:51.519
even if it closes after 2035. To make progress in reducing

00:52:51.530 --> 00:52:54.260
emissions, renewable sources must be used to replace

00:52:54.269 --> 00:52:57.349
fossil fuels as opposed to having them replace other

00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:00.769
non emitting sources like nuclear. Alas California

00:53:00.780 --> 00:53:04.188
has mostly done the latter. This has resulted in little

00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:07.369
progress in decarbonising its power sector. Despite

00:53:07.378 --> 00:53:10.579
huge investments in building wind and solar, the fraction

00:53:10.590 --> 00:53:13.809
of in state power generation from fossil sources has

00:53:13.820 --> 00:53:17.228
not decreased much over the last 20 years and is still

00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:21.309
roughly 50%. Closure of the Canyon would be lie if

00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:24.708
California has expressed concern about climate change

00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:29.519
and the need to reduce CO2 emissions. Thank you. Thank

00:53:29.530 --> 00:53:31.320
you very much for your comment today. I appreciate

00:53:31.329 --> 00:53:34.219
it. Thank you, operator. May we have the next caller

00:53:34.228 --> 00:53:38.969
please? Our next caller is Jeff. You may go ahead.

00:53:41.340 --> 00:53:44.208
Hi. Uh My name is Jeff Luce and I'm with Generation

00:53:44.219 --> 00:53:47.000
Atomic, a grassroots organization that advocates for

00:53:47.010 --> 00:53:50.628
nuclear power nationwide. Um I wanted to state my support

00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:53.619
for extending operations at the outlook Canyon. Nuclear

00:53:53.628 --> 00:53:56.269
Power is our largest source of carbon free energy in

00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:59.019
the United States and it is historically the safest

00:53:59.030 --> 00:54:02.050
source of energy that we have uh being responsible

00:54:02.059 --> 00:54:05.128
for fewer deaths per terawatt hour than wind hydropower

00:54:05.139 --> 00:54:08.530
and solar. Its waste is safely handled and it is our

00:54:08.539 --> 00:54:11.659
most reliable source of energy available last year

00:54:11.668 --> 00:54:14.510
Dia provided 8% of the state's electricity which was

00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:17.519
enough to power nearly 3 million homes with safe, reliable

00:54:17.530 --> 00:54:20.760
carbon free energy. While renewables are important

00:54:20.769 --> 00:54:23.329
they are by definition, intermittent sources of energy

00:54:23.820 --> 00:54:26.418
Uh electricity generated at the canyon helps keep the

00:54:26.429 --> 00:54:29.550
lights on and the economy moving when the sun isn't

00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:32.780
shining and the wind isn't blowing, closing down operations

00:54:32.789 --> 00:54:34.728
at the Apple Canyon which put the state's plan to reach

00:54:34.739 --> 00:54:38.800
95% clean energy by 2040 out of grass. Conversely,

00:54:38.809 --> 00:54:42.070
research from Stanford and MIT has found that keeping

00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:44.958
the open through 2035 would reduce the state's power

00:54:44.969 --> 00:54:48.809
sector emissions by 10% annually and it would save

00:54:48.820 --> 00:54:52.530
ratepayers 2.6 billion through 2035 and 21 billion

00:54:52.539 --> 00:54:55.728
through 2045. In addition to helping consumers save

00:54:55.739 --> 00:54:58.909
money, the Abu Canyon directly employs nearly 1500

00:54:58.918 --> 00:55:02.019
people and provides ample economic benefits to the

00:55:02.030 --> 00:55:04.599
community. If California wants to reach its goal of

00:55:04.610 --> 00:55:08.090
95% clean energy by 2040 it must extend operations

00:55:08.099 --> 00:55:10.739
at the canyon and explore pathways to integrate more

00:55:10.750 --> 00:55:14.769
nuclear power to the grid. Thank you so much. Thank

00:55:14.780 --> 00:55:18.550
you very much. I appreciate your comments today. Operator

00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:22.099
may we have the next caller please? Our next caller

00:55:22.110 --> 00:55:25.579
is Doctor Robert Gould with the San Francisco Bay Physicians

00:55:25.590 --> 00:55:29.099
for social responsibility. You may go ahead. Can you

00:55:29.110 --> 00:55:32.168
hear me? Ok? Yes, doctor go. We can hear you. Please

00:55:32.179 --> 00:55:35.239
go ahead. Thank you. Hi. Yes, I'm uh Doctor Robert

00:55:35.458 --> 00:55:38.878
Gould Gould after I worked as a pathologist for over

00:55:38.889 --> 00:55:42.139
30 years at San Jose Kaiser. Since 2012. I've been

00:55:42.148 --> 00:55:46.110
a professor at U CS F School of Medicine, serving within

00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:48.579
our program on reproductive health and the environment

00:55:49.099 --> 00:55:52.398
since uh 1989. I've also been President of San Francisco

00:55:52.409 --> 00:55:55.639
Bay positions of social responsibility for which I'm

00:55:55.648 --> 00:55:58.418
submitting this testimony today, representing numerous

00:55:58.429 --> 00:56:00.800
health professionals throughout our region who are

00:56:00.809 --> 00:56:03.559
committed to our longstanding opposition in nuclear

00:56:03.570 --> 00:56:07.208
power including its continued potential contribution

00:56:07.219 --> 00:56:11.340
to expanded proliferation of nuclear weapons. As health

00:56:11.349 --> 00:56:13.789
professionals gravely concerned about the profound

00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:16.889
environmental and public health threat posed by our

00:56:16.898 --> 00:56:20.289
accelerating climate emergency. We also maintain a

00:56:20.300 --> 00:56:23.329
strong opposition to the false solution posed by the

00:56:23.340 --> 00:56:26.389
accelerated promotion of nuclear power which starves

00:56:26.398 --> 00:56:29.500
out alternative sustainable solutions while adding

00:56:29.510 --> 00:56:32.289
to the well documented and intractable safety, health

00:56:32.300 --> 00:56:34.898
pollution and storage issues that have plagued this

00:56:34.909 --> 00:56:39.969
industry since the PSR believes that the $1.4 billion

00:56:39.978 --> 00:56:42.449
promised by the federal government to expedite this

00:56:42.780 --> 00:56:45.949
as parts of billions to revitalize a more industry

00:56:45.958 --> 00:56:50.208
nationwide is borne by all us taxpayers. California's

00:56:50.219 --> 00:56:53.148
procurement of renewable energy and storage already

00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:56.260
having more than made up for diablo's output. The money

00:56:56.269 --> 00:56:58.679
could be better used to ramp up clean and renewable

00:56:58.688 --> 00:57:01.688
carbon free energy and battery storage solutions. In

00:57:01.699 --> 00:57:04.039
the urgent way, we need to address climate change.

00:57:04.688 --> 00:57:07.000
In the meantime, we are inappropriately shoring up

00:57:07.010 --> 00:57:10.208
a facility demonstrably and historically played by

00:57:10.219 --> 00:57:13.409
seismic and accident risk, aging, integrating systems

00:57:13.418 --> 00:57:17.019
and components, events by unit ones and brittle reactive

00:57:17.030 --> 00:57:19.978
vessels. A diminished workforce of numerous delayed

00:57:19.989 --> 00:57:23.269
maintenance items surrounded on all sides by earthquake

00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:26.360
faults that persist a significant risk of a catastrophic

00:57:26.369 --> 00:57:29.478
accident that could radioactively contaminate a large

00:57:29.489 --> 00:57:32.668
part of California.

00:57:32.668 --> 00:57:35.789
Think the Canon will inevitably lead to more highly

00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:38.898
toxic radioactive waste to be stored in vulnerable

00:57:38.969 --> 00:57:43.250
spent fuel rods and indeterminate amount of time and

00:57:43.260 --> 00:57:46.639
will also provide plutonium in its waste which will

00:57:46.648 --> 00:57:49.500
furnish the material for nuclear weapons. We think

00:57:49.510 --> 00:57:52.610
that it, the Canon is either safe in a cost effective

00:57:52.619 --> 00:57:55.820
way to support our energy reliability and be shut down

00:57:55.829 --> 00:57:59.458
as soon as possible. Thank you. Thank you doctor. I

00:57:59.469 --> 00:58:02.269
appreciate your comments today. Uh A reminder for those

00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:04.898
of you on the phone uh to please speak clearly and

00:58:04.909 --> 00:58:08.668
slowly for the benefit of our quote reporters. Uh If

00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:11.019
you're on speaker, please go off speaker and speak

00:58:11.030 --> 00:58:13.550
directly into your phone. I think that will help uh

00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:17.250
operator. May we have the next caller, please? Yes

00:58:17.260 --> 00:58:19.878
their next caller is Bruce Campbell. You may go ahead

00:58:21.478 --> 00:58:24.250
Hi, this is Bruce Campbell. Camp Bell like the soup

00:58:24.260 --> 00:58:27.860
and I'm from Los Angeles. First, I'll begin with seismicity

00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:31.269
Diao Canyon's two nuclear reactors are nestled among

00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:34.148
13 earthquake faults including the main part of the

00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:37.530
Hare fault a few miles away. While the shoreline fault

00:58:37.539 --> 00:58:40.628
discovered just 300 m from the reactors has been determined

00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:44.250
to be part of the hore vault system. Even PG and E

00:58:44.260 --> 00:58:47.309
admits that the long recognized scientific fact that

00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:52.148
the Hare Sanan and San Gregorio faults together comprise

00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:55.228
essentially one fault system and that is clearly the

00:58:55.239 --> 00:58:58.958
largest subsidiary of the San Andreas fault. There

00:58:58.969 --> 00:59:02.688
was a 7.3 to 7.5 quake in the Hare fault zone west

00:59:02.699 --> 00:59:07.570
of Lompoc, November 4th, 1927. I attended the Dial

00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:12.809
County seismic hearings. October 1980. The uh three

00:59:12.820 --> 00:59:15.668
man atomic Safety Licensing appeals board who ruled

00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:18.860
on diablo whether it was seismically safe. Chairman

00:59:18.869 --> 00:59:21.510
Salzman was appointed to a federal judgeship by President

00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:24.409
Reagan shortly before they determined Diablo was seismically

00:59:24.418 --> 00:59:28.219
safe. Diablo reactor is 45 miles from the San Andreas

00:59:28.228 --> 00:59:32.329
fault. Some used to believe that the middle segment

00:59:32.340 --> 00:59:34.898
of the San Andreas Spot was less prone to major earthquakes

00:59:34.909 --> 00:59:37.550
than the northern and southern segments. But now some

00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:41.429
seismologists believe it could all go at once and then

00:59:41.438 --> 00:59:45.809
the July 4th and July 6th, 2019 quakes in the Sierras

00:59:47.438 --> 00:59:51.849
Les Valley region, sort of the Ridgecrest region um

00:59:51.860 --> 00:59:56.909
that seemed to have waken up. Um Harvard seismologist

00:59:56.918 --> 00:59:59.530
says approximately 30 clock

00:59:59.539 --> 01:00:03.129
Is north of the garlic. Garlic fault indicates a complex

01:00:03.139 --> 01:00:06.260
network of faults activated by that sequence. So that's

01:00:06.339 --> 01:00:10.889
increasing seismic danger. And then way back when uh

01:00:10.898 --> 01:00:14.469
they fired Diablo up in the spring of 1984 they were

01:00:15.160 --> 01:00:20.709
105 workers who gave sworn testimony about 3000 problems

01:00:20.720 --> 01:00:23.290
with the facility and those haven't even been corrected

01:00:23.299 --> 01:00:26.119
let alone all the deferred maintenance. Also, none

01:00:26.130 --> 01:00:30.560
of us understand stranded, none of us under understand

01:00:30.569 --> 01:00:34.438
stranded costs. We're talking about hundreds of billions

01:00:34.448 --> 01:00:38.780
not just single, single digits of billions and PG and

01:00:38.789 --> 01:00:44.800
E greed is behind it all. Thank you, Mr Cable. I appreciate

01:00:44.809 --> 01:00:48.319
your comments. Today. Operator. May we have the next

01:00:48.328 --> 01:00:50.520
call, please?

01:00:50.520 --> 01:00:55.030
Yes, our next caller is Jim. You may go ahead. Yes

01:00:55.039 --> 01:01:00.148
this is Jim Lutz. My last name is spelled Lutz. I grew

01:01:00.160 --> 01:01:03.989
up in Moral Bay near Diablo Canyon, but today I'm calling

01:01:03.999 --> 01:01:07.448
from Oakland. I'm a member of the community advisory

01:01:07.460 --> 01:01:11.639
committee of East Bay Community Energy. It's the local

01:01:11.650 --> 01:01:16.760
supplier of non nuclear electricity for homes and businesses

01:01:16.969 --> 01:01:21.749
in 16 cities and the county of Alameda. Today, I'm

01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:25.969
speaking for myself. I would like to thank the PC for

01:01:25.978 --> 01:01:29.430
holding these hearings and they and I appreciate the

01:01:29.439 --> 01:01:33.180
opportunity to speak today. Please do not extend the

01:01:33.189 --> 01:01:37.099
operation of diablo Can a nuclear power plant is no

01:01:37.109 --> 01:01:41.260
longer necessary for the energy security or grid stability

01:01:41.269 --> 01:01:47.280
of California? Keep keeping it operating will hinder

01:01:47.290 --> 01:01:52.579
that security and stability. Please diligently review

01:01:52.588 --> 01:01:56.299
the testimony of written submissions and the prior

01:01:56.308 --> 01:01:59.900
speakers at today's hearing documenting the current

01:01:59.909 --> 01:02:04.698
scale and flexibility of the renewable energy and batteries

01:02:04.710 --> 01:02:10.598
already on the grid. Diablo Canyon nuclear plant cannot

01:02:10.608 --> 01:02:13.919
respond quickly enough to support the future level

01:02:13.929 --> 01:02:18.379
of renewable energy needed on the grid complete the

01:02:18.390 --> 01:02:21.939
transition to carbon free electricity. In California

01:02:22.020 --> 01:02:26.179
the funds allocated to extend Diablo Canyon need to

01:02:26.189 --> 01:02:30.659
be redirected to grid and small scale wind and solar

01:02:30.669 --> 01:02:35.479
and batteries. I additionally urge the BC to make sure

01:02:35.490 --> 01:02:39.640
total retail electricity prices are kept low enough

01:02:39.648 --> 01:02:42.949
to support the decarbonisation of our buildings and

01:02:42.959 --> 01:02:47.270
our vehicles. The cost from extending Diablo Canyon's

01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:51.648
operation would keep electricity prices too high to

01:02:51.659 --> 01:02:55.818
allow California to transition to carbon free electricity

01:02:56.580 --> 01:03:03.159
Please do not of Diablo Canyon. Thank you. Thank you

01:03:03.169 --> 01:03:04.979
very much for your comments today. I appreciate it

01:03:06.550 --> 01:03:10.249
Operator. May we have the next caller, please?

01:03:10.249 --> 01:03:14.788
My next caller is Chris. You may go ahead.

01:03:14.788 --> 01:03:19.270
Hello, my name is Chris Moran Moran and I'm from Ben

01:03:19.568 --> 01:03:23.308
Thank you for taking our comments today. I feel like

01:03:23.318 --> 01:03:27.229
keeping Diablo Canyon open is like taking California

01:03:27.240 --> 01:03:30.898
backwards. So I urge the commission to stop and just

01:03:30.909 --> 01:03:34.959
close it down. And the reason why is a radiated metal

01:03:34.969 --> 01:03:38.288
does not get stronger with age, it gets more brittle

01:03:38.808 --> 01:03:42.308
And that is why plants, nuclear plants and nuclear

01:03:42.318 --> 01:03:45.669
submarines are decommissioned, they are closed and

01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:49.898
disassembled and it's over considering the furtherance

01:03:49.909 --> 01:03:52.919
of this plant is gambling with the lives of millions

01:03:52.929 --> 01:03:56.080
of people who could be affected by a meltdown. And

01:03:56.088 --> 01:03:59.818
most of us have been schooled by the 1989 earthquake

01:04:00.099 --> 01:04:03.788
to know what the mighty San Andreas can do. We've seen

01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:07.209
the effects of Fuku Jima earthquake and tsunami and

01:04:07.219 --> 01:04:12.030
it could happen here. Radioactivity is only safe when

01:04:12.038 --> 01:04:15.828
it's cooled. But threats such as an earthquake or failures

01:04:15.839 --> 01:04:18.760
of brittle mechanisms could affect large numbers of

01:04:18.768 --> 01:04:23.089
people destroy farmland and enter our Pacific Ocean

01:04:23.659 --> 01:04:27.208
California's climate goals are supposed to be renewable

01:04:27.219 --> 01:04:30.808
energy. That is the promise Governor Newsom made to

01:04:30.820 --> 01:04:34.018
the people of California and that's what we want. Not

01:04:34.030 --> 01:04:37.299
more nuclear power, what have our state leaders been

01:04:37.308 --> 01:04:40.518
doing to prepare for this closure? There should be

01:04:40.530 --> 01:04:44.599
a plan in place to phase out nuclear and phase in renewable

01:04:44.609 --> 01:04:51.179
Where is the grain rather than giving PGNE $1.4 billion

01:04:51.190 --> 01:04:55.018
of my money. My taxpayer's money, please shut down

01:04:55.030 --> 01:04:59.280
this plant by 2025. As agreed to and invest in the

01:04:59.289 --> 01:05:03.919
future of California by backing wind solar and hydro

01:05:03.929 --> 01:05:07.708
projects. Then we can all feel proud that we did something

01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:11.558
good here. For California and the Earth as well. Thank

01:05:11.570 --> 01:05:15.219
you so much. Close it down.

01:05:15.219 --> 01:05:17.388
Thank you, Chris. I appreciate your comments today

01:05:18.539 --> 01:05:21.929
Operator. May we have the next color, please?

01:05:21.929 --> 01:05:24.940
Yes, our next caller is Greg Schwartz. You may go ahead

01:05:26.780 --> 01:05:32.349
Hi, Greg Schwartz. Sehw A RT Z investigative report

01:05:32.359 --> 01:05:35.789
in San Rafael, California. Uh, the Apple Canyon should

01:05:35.799 --> 01:05:39.820
be shut down unless and until costly safety upgrades

01:05:39.828 --> 01:05:43.149
are made since the plant is currently vulnerable to

01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:45.669
an earthquake stronger than it's designed to withstand

01:05:46.799 --> 01:05:50.078
We know this thanks to former senior resident safety

01:05:50.089 --> 01:05:53.479
inspector Michael Peck, who I interviewed for my story

01:05:53.489 --> 01:05:55.940
a risky gamble at the canyon that was published at

01:05:55.950 --> 01:05:58.888
counterpunch dot org in December which I have linked

01:05:58.899 --> 01:06:03.669
in your written comments. Peck objected to how NRC

01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:06.268
and PG and E fudged the license amendment process in

01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:10.268
2012 to get around the newly identified seismic issues

01:06:10.280 --> 01:06:13.339
from the shoreline fault that was discovered in 2008

01:06:13.539 --> 01:06:17.078
He remains dismayed at the circular logic which he

01:06:17.089 --> 01:06:20.458
says the NRC used to overrule his dissenting professional

01:06:20.469 --> 01:06:24.308
opinion and then railroad him out of there. His issue

01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:27.909
was with PG needs failure to preserve engineering margins

01:06:27.919 --> 01:06:30.760
that required them to apply for and the NRC to approve

01:06:30.768 --> 01:06:33.099
an amendment to the operating license based upon the

01:06:33.109 --> 01:06:36.808
new seismic analysis. But Nr CS Divo Canon Project

01:06:36.820 --> 01:06:39.599
manager directed PG need to change their license without

01:06:39.609 --> 01:06:42.308
that amendment. He points to a 2012 letter from Nr

01:06:42.328 --> 01:06:46.469
CS and project manager Joseph Sabraski to PG and E

01:06:46.479 --> 01:06:49.989
senior VP and Chief Nuclear Officer Edward Haman as

01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:53.450
the smoking gun revealing how Sabraski directed PG

01:06:53.458 --> 01:06:55.768
and E to use the methodology that had been rejected

01:06:55.780 --> 01:06:59.109
in 2011 in order to get around the new seismic data

01:06:59.118 --> 01:07:02.308
with regulatory language, he compared to a shell game

01:07:02.669 --> 01:07:07.280
And so uh everyone should check the story out. I also

01:07:07.289 --> 01:07:11.539
fo the NRCOIG report, the Inspector General's report

01:07:11.859 --> 01:07:15.089
uh into their investigation into PC uh allegations

01:07:15.099 --> 01:07:18.659
of regulatory collusion between NRC and PG and E. And

01:07:18.669 --> 01:07:22.388
while that report uh gave NRC a pass and said that

01:07:22.399 --> 01:07:25.018
there no, it was no regulatory collusion. It was actually

01:07:25.030 --> 01:07:28.570
filled with holes, red herrings and outright fabrications

01:07:28.578 --> 01:07:32.070
which you can read link in my article. I would encourage

01:07:32.078 --> 01:07:34.989
everyone to go read that article at counterpunch dot

01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:38.649
org. Thank you. Thank you, Greg. I appreciate your

01:07:38.659 --> 01:07:42.078
comments today. Operator. May we have the next caller

01:07:42.089 --> 01:07:44.380
please?

01:07:44.380 --> 01:07:48.200
Our next caller is Joshua Medrano, the Executive Secretary

01:07:48.208 --> 01:07:51.659
of Treasury Tri County Building and Construction Trades

01:07:51.669 --> 01:07:57.679
Council. You may go ahead.

01:07:57.679 --> 01:08:01.089
Hello, can you hear me? Ok. Yes, Joshua, we can hear

01:08:01.099 --> 01:08:05.349
you. Please go ahead. Thank you so much. Well, we appreciate

01:08:05.359 --> 01:08:08.558
this opportunity, honorable California Public Utilities

01:08:08.570 --> 01:08:11.570
Commission and on behalf of the Tri County Building

01:08:11.578 --> 01:08:14.010
and Construction Trades Council, representing skilled

01:08:14.018 --> 01:08:17.630
and trained labor of San Luis, Santa Barbara and Ventura

01:08:17.638 --> 01:08:20.409
Counties. We are pleased to offer our full support

01:08:20.419 --> 01:08:23.138
of the extension of operations of the Canyon power

01:08:23.149 --> 01:08:26.760
plant. The proposed extension is of regional and national

01:08:26.768 --> 01:08:29.200
significance as it supports our critical energy needs

01:08:29.208 --> 01:08:32.549
in California, keeping the Divo Canyon power plant

01:08:32.559 --> 01:08:35.458
operational supports capabilities to satisfy the customer

01:08:35.470 --> 01:08:39.818
demands for capacity safety efficiency, workforce development

01:08:39.828 --> 01:08:43.088
and overall environmental sustainability. This allows

01:08:43.100 --> 01:08:45.629
the state of California to continue to ramp up their

01:08:45.639 --> 01:08:48.120
efforts in making sure that they have enough renewable

01:08:48.129 --> 01:08:51.938
energy online to replace the Canyon Power plant. And

01:08:51.948 --> 01:08:54.879
it is in this spirit that we urge the Governor's office

01:08:54.889 --> 01:08:57.429
and the California Public Utilities Commission to partner

01:08:57.438 --> 01:09:00.559
with our region, the state and local building and construction

01:09:00.568 --> 01:09:03.269
trades and invest in renewable energy opportunities

01:09:03.280 --> 01:09:05.850
now and remove regulatory barriers that hinder the

01:09:05.860 --> 01:09:08.990
deployment of renewable energy such as wind, solar

01:09:08.999 --> 01:09:12.899
geothermal battery storage, etcetera. We also want

01:09:12.909 --> 01:09:15.850
to encourage all stakeholders to use local labor work

01:09:15.860 --> 01:09:18.429
feasible through project labor and community workforce

01:09:18.438 --> 01:09:20.919
agreements to support the local community that it is

01:09:20.929 --> 01:09:24.230
being affected by this extension, ensure that there

01:09:24.240 --> 01:09:27.588
is an equitable and smooth transition for skilled labor

01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:31.480
who support California's energy and economy for these

01:09:31.490 --> 01:09:34.208
reasons. The Tri County building construction Trades

01:09:34.220 --> 01:09:37.559
Council strongly supports the extension of operations

01:09:37.568 --> 01:09:41.159
of the Divo Canyon power plant. I'm Joshua, executive

01:09:41.338 --> 01:09:43.490
secretary, secretary and treasurer of the Tri County

01:09:43.499 --> 01:09:48.159
Building Trades Council. Thank you very much. Thank

01:09:48.169 --> 01:09:52.030
you. I appreciate your comments today. Operator. May

01:09:52.039 --> 01:09:57.068
we have the next caller please?

01:09:57.068 --> 01:10:02.149
Her next caller is Mila reason you may go ahead Thank

01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:05.399
you. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Please

01:10:05.409 --> 01:10:08.938
go ahead. Oh, thank you so much. My first name is Mila

01:10:08.948 --> 01:10:13.948
and that's spelled M as in Mary yl A last name, reason

01:10:13.958 --> 01:10:19.860
re A oh, excuse me reson, I spelled it like the word

01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:24.299
Um I'm calling from Santa Monica, California and I'd

01:10:24.309 --> 01:10:27.419
like to thank you for hearing my comments today. I'd

01:10:27.429 --> 01:10:31.230
like to um remind you in case you uh were unaware of

01:10:31.240 --> 01:10:36.370
it. That back in June of 2012, not the Prime Minister

01:10:36.379 --> 01:10:41.879
of Japan visited San Diego California and participated

01:10:41.889 --> 01:10:47.159
in a panel discussion about shutting down uh Socal

01:10:47.438 --> 01:10:52.948
Edison's Sano nuclear power plant. Prime Minister Khan

01:10:52.958 --> 01:10:56.568
talked about how he had been convinced by the Tokyo

01:10:56.578 --> 01:11:01.068
Electric Power Company that nuclear power was safe

01:11:01.078 --> 01:11:04.499
And as a result of having been convinced of that, he

01:11:04.509 --> 01:11:09.379
promoted nuclear power, he came to California to talk

01:11:09.389 --> 01:11:13.629
about how he regretted having promoted nuclear power

01:11:13.639 --> 01:11:19.730
once Fukushima occurred. And he talked about how um

01:11:19.740 --> 01:11:24.448
how responsible he felt because he had been convinced

01:11:24.458 --> 01:11:27.958
that nuclear power was a good thing. And now he understood

01:11:27.970 --> 01:11:38.149
that it was not um nuclear power at Fukushima was safe

01:11:38.389 --> 01:11:43.889
until it was not safe. Nuclear power was saved at Chernobyl

01:11:44.249 --> 01:11:51.179
until it was not safe. Nuclear power is safe until

01:11:51.188 --> 01:11:56.990
it's not Doctor Michael Peck, who was the um senior

01:11:56.999 --> 01:12:01.129
resident in inspector for the US Nuclear Power um US

01:12:01.139 --> 01:12:05.669
Nuclear Regulatory Commission. As Greg Schwartz said

01:12:06.490 --> 01:12:12.458
warned us that Diablo is not

01:12:12.458 --> 01:12:16.458
likely quake. Um Anyway, uh, thanks for listening.

01:12:16.470 --> 01:12:19.490
Please take a moment to imagine how you'll feel if

01:12:19.499 --> 01:12:23.030
there's a meltdown at Diablo and you didn't do everything

01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:27.438
you could to shut it. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate

01:12:27.448 --> 01:12:30.688
your comments today. Operator. May we have the next

01:12:30.698 --> 01:12:35.519
caller, please? Yes, our next caller is T Gregory Conlan

01:12:35.980 --> 01:12:41.549
You may go ahead.

01:12:41.549 --> 01:12:44.530
Yes. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Please

01:12:44.539 --> 01:12:48.259
go ahead. Yes. Uh I was the former commissioner at

01:12:48.269 --> 01:12:52.838
the California puc from 93 to 2000 and I was president

01:12:52.850 --> 01:12:56.688
of the commission from 96 and 97. And I just wanna

01:12:56.780 --> 01:13:01.309
support the extension of Canyon. It was the unit that

01:13:01.318 --> 01:13:04.399
was the two units were available during the biggest

01:13:04.409 --> 01:13:08.110
blackout we ever had in California. And without, we

01:13:08.120 --> 01:13:10.919
would have had the, the entire state would have probably

01:13:10.929 --> 01:13:15.078
have been black. That's my opinion. And I think that

01:13:15.088 --> 01:13:19.249
we, we need nuclear power to, to get away from the

01:13:19.259 --> 01:13:23.458
carbon problems that the country is facing. And I think

01:13:23.470 --> 01:13:28.088
that uh Canyon is the power source for the Helms pump

01:13:28.100 --> 01:13:33.159
storage, which is hydro. And I think we keep forgetting

01:13:33.169 --> 01:13:39.499
that hydro uh Helms and are work together to, to not

01:13:39.509 --> 01:13:42.870
only have the two units at, but they have two units

01:13:43.299 --> 01:13:48.030
in the Helms pump storage. So if you shut down, I'm

01:13:48.039 --> 01:13:52.480
not sure how Helms will be powered, uh powered, but

01:13:52.490 --> 01:13:55.078
I think you need to consider that in your judgment

01:13:55.088 --> 01:13:58.360
about whether you extend or not and I, I personally

01:13:58.370 --> 01:14:01.990
think you should extend it. George, who was president

01:14:01.999 --> 01:14:06.110
of PG and E when they built Diablo Canyon after he

01:14:06.120 --> 01:14:08.958
retired and I retired from the commission. We talk

01:14:08.970 --> 01:14:12.970
a lot about, you know, his thoughts that Diablo Canyon

01:14:12.980 --> 01:14:17.039
his original design would have had nine units and they

01:14:17.049 --> 01:14:21.120
only constructed two. Now, now they have temporary

01:14:21.289 --> 01:14:25.188
waste, nuclear waste storage to take up the size, the

01:14:25.198 --> 01:14:28.958
size, the space for two more units. So there's still

01:14:28.970 --> 01:14:32.649
room for five more units at Diablo Canyon. And I think

01:14:32.659 --> 01:14:35.818
in this day and age, you know, the co the country is

01:14:35.828 --> 01:14:39.009
waking up. I mean, Georgia has just commissioned two

01:14:39.019 --> 01:14:43.389
new 12 mega 1200 megawatt units on the Savannah River

01:14:43.899 --> 01:14:47.049
And I think there's no reason why California couldn't

01:14:47.059 --> 01:14:51.049
install five more units at Diablo Canyon and probably

01:14:51.059 --> 01:14:56.958
provide thousands and thousands of jobs

01:14:56.958 --> 01:15:01.139
that would save California from a carbon disaster.

01:15:01.149 --> 01:15:04.620
Thank you very much.

01:15:04.620 --> 01:15:06.669
Thank you for your comments today. I appreciate it

01:15:07.740 --> 01:15:11.088
Operator. May we have the next caller, please? Our

01:15:11.100 --> 01:15:15.559
next caller is Matt. You may go ahead.

01:15:15.559 --> 01:15:18.519
Hi, can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you man. Please

01:15:18.530 --> 01:15:24.280
go ahead. Great. Um So I spent from 20 from 2006 to

01:15:24.289 --> 01:15:28.519
2020 working as a renewable energy project developer

01:15:28.688 --> 01:15:32.328
around the West, mainly on wind, but also on solar

01:15:32.338 --> 01:15:35.159
We also did some work in citing combustion turbine

01:15:35.169 --> 01:15:39.879
sites. Um and having done all that for all those years

01:15:39.909 --> 01:15:42.860
I'm convinced that nuclear is really the way to go

01:15:42.889 --> 01:15:47.470
Uh especially for base load power. Um It's the lowest

01:15:47.480 --> 01:15:52.188
cost, it's clean and it certainly has, is the most

01:15:52.198 --> 01:15:56.039
reliable with the 90 plus percent capacity factor.

01:15:56.458 --> 01:16:00.519
Um I think diablo can actually run at about six cents

01:16:00.530 --> 01:16:04.030
a kilowatt hour is extremely low cost. So I think we

01:16:04.039 --> 01:16:07.188
should keep, not only keep diablo open, but we should

01:16:07.198 --> 01:16:11.318
be building uh and adding to the last caller, we should

01:16:11.328 --> 01:16:15.129
be building four or five more nuclear power plants

01:16:15.139 --> 01:16:19.448
in California. Um And uh you know, we don't have to

01:16:19.458 --> 01:16:21.208
worry about the weather. We don't have to worry about

01:16:21.220 --> 01:16:23.188
when the wind doesn't blow. We don't have to worry

01:16:23.198 --> 01:16:25.769
about clouds. We don't have to worry about the high

01:16:25.780 --> 01:16:29.179
cost of battery storage being added on to the uh cost

01:16:29.188 --> 01:16:34.039
of generation and there are uh proven easy ways to

01:16:34.049 --> 01:16:36.909
deal with the waste, most of which is recycled that

01:16:36.919 --> 01:16:41.818
which cannot be recycled, uh can be uh you know, deep

01:16:41.828 --> 01:16:45.149
stored in the earth and never to be seen again or affect

01:16:45.159 --> 01:16:49.129
anyone. It just takes everyone to get together and

01:16:49.139 --> 01:16:52.129
do it. And if I were to go back into uh uh

01:16:52.568 --> 01:16:55.539
energy development again, I'm sure it would be a nuclear

01:16:56.389 --> 01:17:00.448
So, uh thank you for your time. Thank you man. I appreciate

01:17:00.458 --> 01:17:02.958
your comments today,

01:17:02.958 --> 01:17:06.579
operator, may we have the next color, please.

01:17:06.579 --> 01:17:09.479
Yes, our next caller is Cecilia Leblanc. You may go

01:17:09.489 --> 01:17:12.378
ahead.

01:17:12.378 --> 01:17:18.118
Hello, my name is Cecilia Leblanc. Ce Cili A Leblanc

01:17:18.128 --> 01:17:24.918
Le No Space capital Blanc. Um I I appreciate the efforts

01:17:24.928 --> 01:17:29.049
or the diligence that the US commissioners put in to

01:17:29.058 --> 01:17:32.019
be um assuring that we have safe and reliable power

01:17:32.029 --> 01:17:37.308
in California since um Canyon um was approved, new

01:17:37.318 --> 01:17:40.458
fault lines have been discovered and there are issues

01:17:40.468 --> 01:17:43.418
regarding that, that others can speak to more clearly

01:17:43.428 --> 01:17:47.259
than I can my concern. Um I want to express my concern

01:17:47.269 --> 01:17:50.759
as a citizen that the taxpayer and rate payer dollars

01:17:51.089 --> 01:17:54.729
not be used to keep the can you open but rather to

01:17:54.739 --> 01:17:59.118
use these same dollars to um encourage renewable energy

01:17:59.128 --> 01:18:04.670
and um storage, not just battery uh hydro but any resources

01:18:04.680 --> 01:18:09.069
any technology we can for storage, maintenance of Diablo

01:18:09.079 --> 01:18:12.950
Canyon would be considerable. So please consider all

01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:17.170
the cost in keeping Diablo Canyon open, things like

01:18:17.180 --> 01:18:20.539
the cost of safety infrastructure and the cost, the

01:18:20.549 --> 01:18:24.598
extreme great cost to the state if Diablo Canyon should

01:18:24.608 --> 01:18:29.229
fail. Um I appreciate your concern to this issue and

01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:32.559
I know you are concerned about the safety of Californians

01:18:32.608 --> 01:18:35.680
and I very much appreciate that the doctor called from

01:18:35.868 --> 01:18:38.729
uh physicians for social responsibility and I hope

01:18:38.739 --> 01:18:42.509
you will sincerely see what he had to say. I appreciate

01:18:42.519 --> 01:18:46.660
your time. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate your

01:18:46.670 --> 01:18:50.148
comments today. Operator. May we have the next caller

01:18:50.160 --> 01:18:54.280
please. Yes, our next caller is Ronald Meyer. You may

01:18:54.289 --> 01:18:56.729
go ahead.

01:18:56.729 --> 01:19:01.460
Yes, my name is Ronald Meyer. Uh I live in Los Gatos

01:19:01.469 --> 01:19:05.759
and I'm a component of nuclear power. Uh It's probably

01:19:05.769 --> 01:19:09.858
one of the most cost effective, safest and eco-friendly

01:19:09.868 --> 01:19:15.940
technologies out there for generating reliable uh electrical

01:19:15.950 --> 01:19:19.739
energy for uh the state of California and for the rest

01:19:19.749 --> 01:19:25.259
of the country, the new generation for nuclear technology

01:19:26.009 --> 01:19:30.160
is even more safe, more reliable and more effective

01:19:30.170 --> 01:19:34.618
and efficient, which is what would be appropriate for

01:19:34.628 --> 01:19:41.098
expanding capacity at the uh the canyon site. In addition

01:19:41.539 --> 01:19:45.950
there's this term called nu- uh power density. And

01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:51.680
nuclear energy is one of the most power dense per um

01:19:51.690 --> 01:19:57.868
let's say cubic meter uh energy source in the world

01:19:58.030 --> 01:20:04.559
When you take a look at batteries, solar um wind, they're

01:20:04.569 --> 01:20:08.378
actually more deleterious to the environment than nuclear

01:20:08.388 --> 01:20:12.128
power. In addition, there's a book that was written

01:20:12.138 --> 01:20:18.319
by uh Michael Schellenberger called Apocalypse Ne and

01:20:18.329 --> 01:20:22.598
a lot of the people on this call are the exact examples

01:20:22.608 --> 01:20:27.579
used in his book of Eco terrorists, uninformed and

01:20:27.589 --> 01:20:32.598
ignorant people associated with false assertions, false

01:20:32.608 --> 01:20:36.819
facts and misinformation relative to nuclear power

01:20:37.299 --> 01:20:41.259
and the pros and the cons consequently, I would, I

01:20:41.269 --> 01:20:45.229
I would suggest that people get informed and get educated

01:20:45.239 --> 01:20:48.618
by starting with Michael Schellenberger book and other

01:20:48.628 --> 01:20:52.719
books that are written Relative to eco terrorists and

01:20:52.729 --> 01:20:57.329
how they have taken control of our industries. So,

01:20:57.339 --> 01:21:02.339
from my perspective, uh keep keep uh Diablo Canyon

01:21:02.348 --> 01:21:07.249
working and look at new generation four nuclear technology

01:21:07.259 --> 01:21:11.190
to expand its capacity.

01:21:11.190 --> 01:21:13.319
Thank you for your comments today. Uh I would like

01:21:13.329 --> 01:21:16.239
to ask all speakers not to engage in ad hominem attacks

01:21:16.249 --> 01:21:18.999
against other speakers. Everyone here has a right to

01:21:19.009 --> 01:21:21.960
speak their mind today. Operator. May we have the next

01:21:21.969 --> 01:21:26.148
caller, please? Yes. Our next caller is Ilia Quant

01:21:26.759 --> 01:21:31.559
You may go ahead. Hi. My name is Ilya Quant. I'm an

01:21:31.569 --> 01:21:35.160
armchair engineer from Reno Nevada and my son is currently

01:21:35.170 --> 01:21:40.579
attending Cal San Luis. Why would anyone want CO2 free

01:21:40.589 --> 01:21:45.719
constant baseload power that print produces minimal

01:21:45.729 --> 01:21:50.148
waste from nuclear power plants if you can have unreliable

01:21:50.160 --> 01:21:53.219
intermittent power from wind and solar backed up by

01:21:53.229 --> 01:21:56.979
natural gas, coal and diesel generators. I'm for extending

01:21:56.989 --> 01:21:59.950
the life of Dia Canon Nuclear Power plant for at least

01:21:59.960 --> 01:22:02.829
20 more years, if not longer and build more units on

01:22:02.839 --> 01:22:06.539
site if possible. Thank you.

01:22:06.539 --> 01:22:09.479
Thank you for your comments. I appreciate it. Operator

01:22:09.489 --> 01:22:12.858
May we have the next caller please? That's our next

01:22:12.868 --> 01:22:18.170
Connor. Caller is Vicky Connor. You may go ahead.

01:22:18.170 --> 01:22:24.809
Thank you. Um My name is Ic Kieonn. Er I'm initiatives

01:22:24.819 --> 01:22:28.739
director and I serve as acting director uh acting executive

01:22:28.749 --> 01:22:32.229
director of the uh E alliance in Santa Barbara County

01:22:32.729 --> 01:22:37.589
Uh I'm I'm expressing the um uh support for the extension

01:22:37.598 --> 01:22:41.450
of the Canyon Power Plant. Uh It's important because

01:22:41.460 --> 01:22:44.930
of the ever increasing demands on

01:22:44.930 --> 01:22:50.519
renewables online to support these demands. Uh It with

01:22:50.530 --> 01:22:54.210
clean energy and, and uh that being able to bridge

01:22:54.219 --> 01:22:57.378
the gap until the renewables are online. It also is

01:22:57.388 --> 01:23:02.138
important to ensure this manufacturing and other industry

01:23:02.148 --> 01:23:05.930
operations that keep our most of our accounting companies

01:23:05.940 --> 01:23:09.280
and workers. Thank you for the opportunity to speak

01:23:12.739 --> 01:23:15.710
Uh Let's be off the record for a moment. Vicky. Are

01:23:15.719 --> 01:23:19.499
you still there?

01:23:19.499 --> 01:23:22.618
Can you hear me?

01:23:22.618 --> 01:23:26.180
Ok, I think, I think we may have lost. Uh So let's

01:23:26.190 --> 01:23:29.618
go back on the record. Um It seems that Vicky ended

01:23:29.628 --> 01:23:33.180
her comments. So I thank her for her comments and operator

01:23:33.190 --> 01:23:36.420
Uh Please let us know who's next.

01:23:36.420 --> 01:23:39.549
Our next caller is Christopher Kit. You may go ahead

01:23:39.559 --> 01:23:42.039
and

01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:45.420
can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Please go ahead

01:23:45.780 --> 01:23:50.378
My name is Christopher Kit. Um I'm with the circle

01:23:50.388 --> 01:23:55.589
of a 100 work with the Institute of Foundation on California

01:23:56.759 --> 01:23:59.910
What I was gonna say is when said by many people who

01:23:59.920 --> 01:24:02.829
uh want the plant shut down. So I'm not gonna go back

01:24:02.839 --> 01:24:04.960
to that. I'm glad this is gonna be on the record. I

01:24:04.969 --> 01:24:07.410
hope this is printed out and I hope it's distributed

01:24:07.420 --> 01:24:10.979
to other people of California. I think I'll tell a

01:24:10.989 --> 01:24:15.030
story in 1976 when I met with a consultant at Stanford

01:24:15.039 --> 01:24:18.719
Research Institute to Royal Dutch Shell. Those of us

01:24:18.729 --> 01:24:24.660
were in 19, I'm sorry, 1978. And uh we're trying to

01:24:24.670 --> 01:24:28.549
uh put uh uh uh, uh, something on the California initiative

01:24:28.559 --> 01:24:31.229
to have people vote on shutting down nuclear power

01:24:31.670 --> 01:24:35.569
And he said, um, I've invited him down to speak and

01:24:35.579 --> 01:24:40.739
he said, I want to tell you that the, uh, nuclear giants

01:24:40.969 --> 01:24:43.759
and the oil companies agree with you, the future is

01:24:43.769 --> 01:24:47.888
solar and the future is renewable, but not now. And

01:24:47.898 --> 01:24:50.579
he told me we would have a change of government in

01:24:50.589 --> 01:24:55.499
1980. He told me, you know, the ads that would be coming

01:24:55.509 --> 01:24:57.509
out with deer running through green forest, which would

01:24:57.519 --> 01:25:00.339
be oil company ads. And he went all the way to 2020

01:25:00.348 --> 01:25:04.079
when he said now the oil companies and the nuclear

01:25:04.089 --> 01:25:07.989
giants and the extractive industries are gonna go full

01:25:07.999 --> 01:25:11.519
blow and they're gonna call it the green revolution

01:25:11.530 --> 01:25:14.579
And they're gonna even make nuclear power look green

01:25:14.589 --> 01:25:17.559
even though it's, you know, the, the reason for its

01:25:17.569 --> 01:25:20.920
existence is to create material for nuclear weapons

01:25:20.930 --> 01:25:25.299
Never forget that. So we're in that stage now. And

01:25:25.309 --> 01:25:28.579
I want you all to be aware that there is a criminal

01:25:28.589 --> 01:25:32.829
enterprise coming down from the top, big, big money

01:25:32.839 --> 01:25:35.648
which then comes in the, you know, as a result, you

01:25:35.660 --> 01:25:40.079
know, $1.4 billion to open this up, etcetera. You can

01:25:40.089 --> 01:25:44.430
listen to everybody that gave testimony on the

01:25:44.430 --> 01:25:48.888
shut down. I hope you will. Um, and I hope you'll see

01:25:48.898 --> 01:25:52.888
the carbon game, uh, the, the shell game of talking

01:25:52.898 --> 01:25:55.780
about this, the getting away to carbon is just a way

01:25:55.789 --> 01:26:00.348
to not face the extreme danger of radiation and the

01:26:00.358 --> 01:26:03.430
danger that we're in. Thank you very much. I trust

01:26:03.440 --> 01:26:06.780
that you'll do the right thing. Thank you. Thank you

01:26:06.839 --> 01:26:09.339
Thank you Christopher. I appreciate your comments today

01:26:10.329 --> 01:26:13.999
operator, may we have the next color, please?

01:26:13.999 --> 01:26:26.160
Yes, our next caller is Jill. You may go ahead

01:26:26.160 --> 01:26:28.608
again, Joan, your line is open. We're not able to hear

01:26:28.618 --> 01:26:36.789
you

01:26:36.789 --> 01:26:38.420
bill. Are you, are you there or are you still with

01:26:38.430 --> 01:26:41.309
us?

01:26:41.309 --> 01:26:44.339
Yeah. Can you hear me now? Yes, I can hear you now

01:26:44.348 --> 01:26:49.069
Please go ahead. Ok. Um My name is Jill Zam Z am

01:26:49.079 --> 01:26:53.420
EK. I live downwind from Dale Canyon in Aro Grande

01:26:54.210 --> 01:26:57.348
I am adamantly opposed to the continued operation of

01:26:57.358 --> 01:27:01.739
Dale Canyon for reasons of public safety, environmental

01:27:01.749 --> 01:27:06.479
protection and financial absurdity. Diablo is a very

01:27:06.489 --> 01:27:10.509
old plant with aging and corroding systems and components

01:27:10.680 --> 01:27:14.299
It was constructed in the sixties and seventies with

01:27:14.309 --> 01:27:18.700
operation delayed until the mid eighties. It is situated

01:27:18.710 --> 01:27:22.479
precariously amidst a network of significant earthquake

01:27:22.489 --> 01:27:26.559
faults, generating and storing highly toxic radioactive

01:27:26.569 --> 01:27:30.460
waste with no permanent storage solution in sight.

01:27:31.030 --> 01:27:34.049
Its once through cooling system has been damaging the

01:27:34.059 --> 01:27:38.059
local marine environment for decades and is in violation

01:27:38.069 --> 01:27:41.420
of the Clean Water Act. There is a serious question

01:27:41.430 --> 01:27:44.539
as to the safety of unit one's reactor vessel due to

01:27:44.549 --> 01:27:48.259
embrittlement. Diablo's energy does not remedy our

01:27:48.269 --> 01:27:51.519
climate crisis. In fact, it impedes the flow of truly

01:27:51.530 --> 01:27:55.210
clean and renewable energy on the grid. The tremendous

01:27:55.219 --> 01:27:57.759
amount of money currently being poured into saving

01:27:57.769 --> 01:28:01.079
this plant from Decommissioning would be of much greater

01:28:01.089 --> 01:28:05.059
value if invested in the acceleration of more solar

01:28:05.069 --> 01:28:09.618
wind geothermal battery storage, conservation and efficiency

01:28:10.259 --> 01:28:14.280
I support the testimony provided to the CPUC by San

01:28:14.749 --> 01:28:17.979
Vial Mothers for Peace and the utility rate network

01:28:17.989 --> 01:28:20.999
as well as the environmental working group's recent

01:28:21.009 --> 01:28:24.549
analysis which shows how catastrophic it would be for

01:28:24.559 --> 01:28:28.329
the climate ratepayers and public safety to prolong

01:28:28.339 --> 01:28:32.469
the life of this plant. Thank you. Thank you very much

01:28:32.479 --> 01:28:35.479
I appreciate your comments today. Operator. May we

01:28:35.489 --> 01:28:38.969
have the next caller, please? Yes, our next caller

01:28:38.979 --> 01:28:43.608
is Donna Gilmore. You may go ahead.

01:28:43.608 --> 01:28:46.729
Uh Can you hear me? Yes, Donna, we can hear you. Please

01:28:46.739 --> 01:28:51.460
go ahead. Ok, great. Uh Yes, I uh listen to the sp

01:28:51.469 --> 01:28:57.499
a 46 hearings. Um I see Diablo was uh that bill was

01:28:57.509 --> 01:29:01.670
approved based on that. We need both reactors online

01:29:01.940 --> 01:29:06.348
for reliability. Uh I've extensively done research

01:29:06.358 --> 01:29:10.598
on the Nuclear Regulatory Commission uh um uh database

01:29:10.608 --> 01:29:13.989
and involved with that and they can have reactor status

01:29:13.999 --> 01:29:19.079
data for Canyon that shows that those reactors are

01:29:19.089 --> 01:29:25.809
are not reliable. The data shows that one or both reactors

01:29:25.819 --> 01:29:32.368
were down 40% of the days in the last four years. 40%

01:29:32.979 --> 01:29:37.549
now PG and E uses something called capacity factor

01:29:37.559 --> 01:29:40.259
but that means when it's up, this is how much it's

01:29:40.269 --> 01:29:45.009
operating. They don't talk about the 40% down time

01:29:45.190 --> 01:29:49.239
Therefore, we should not be, be uh using that as an

01:29:49.249 --> 01:29:52.700
assumption in our decision making that it, that those

01:29:52.710 --> 01:29:58.430
will be reliable. Uh One of the reasons the path the

01:29:58.440 --> 01:30:03.460
system is down is due to aging and mismanagement. For

01:30:03.469 --> 01:30:08.190
example, uh salt water pump was highly corroded, but

01:30:08.200 --> 01:30:12.148
PG and E just let it ride until it caused an emergency

01:30:12.160 --> 01:30:18.378
shutdown. Um So I urge you if you're not aware of this

01:30:18.388 --> 01:30:21.999
information, you can contact Donna Gilmore through

01:30:22.569 --> 01:30:26.878
free safety dot org website and I can provide you with

01:30:26.888 --> 01:30:29.469
the evidence which is highly relevant to what you're

01:30:29.479 --> 01:30:32.479
doing. So, the whole basis of keeping this online uh

01:30:32.489 --> 01:30:37.239
is based on fraudulent information. Thank you. Thank

01:30:37.249 --> 01:30:40.569
you, Donna. I appreciate your comments today. Operator

01:30:40.579 --> 01:30:43.368
may we have the next call to?

01:30:43.368 --> 01:30:45.898
Yes, our next caller is Ryan Pickering. You may go

01:30:45.910 --> 01:30:48.710
ahead.

01:30:48.710 --> 01:30:53.549
Thank you. Hello, members of the CPUC. My name is Ryan

01:30:53.559 --> 01:30:56.460
Pickering from Berkeley, California. After studying

01:30:56.469 --> 01:30:59.829
California's energy system for the past 14 years. I

01:30:59.839 --> 01:31:03.128
am calling today to support the extension of operations

01:31:03.138 --> 01:31:06.729
to the Canyon power plant. This facility is our state's

01:31:06.739 --> 01:31:09.960
largest source of electricity and produces affordable

01:31:09.969 --> 01:31:14.960
clean energy for everyone. All energy has risks. Diablos

01:31:14.969 --> 01:31:18.549
are well understood and addressed by engineering solutions

01:31:18.559 --> 01:31:21.969
approved by the NRC that should provide reassurance

01:31:21.979 --> 01:31:25.059
and pride to the public. I have toured the facility

01:31:25.069 --> 01:31:27.648
personally and encouraged my fellow Californians to

01:31:27.660 --> 01:31:30.049
schedule a tour in order to more deeply understand

01:31:30.059 --> 01:31:33.819
this site. While I am moved by the fearful emotions

01:31:33.829 --> 01:31:36.888
of those who oppose nuclear energy on this call. We

01:31:36.898 --> 01:31:39.930
have a responsibility as Californians to transcend

01:31:40.420 --> 01:31:43.628
superstitions for the sake of our citizens and our

01:31:43.638 --> 01:31:46.759
climate. I would also like to make a statement regarding

01:31:46.769 --> 01:31:50.049
the indigenous people of the area. The 12,000 acres

01:31:50.059 --> 01:31:52.378
surrounding Diablo Canyon Power Plant are part of the

01:31:52.388 --> 01:31:55.309
ancestral homelands of

01:31:55.309 --> 01:31:59.339
northern Chumash tribe. According to the CPUC records

01:31:59.348 --> 01:32:03.749
on June 3rd 2021. Y tt tribe applied to purchase Diablo

01:32:03.888 --> 01:32:07.999
lands as part of the CPU CS tribal lands transfer policy

01:32:08.430 --> 01:32:11.719
Y tt tribe has proposed a land stewardship plan in

01:32:11.729 --> 01:32:14.358
partnership with the land Conservancy of San Luis Obispo

01:32:14.368 --> 01:32:17.549
County, Cal Paula University and the local Economic

01:32:17.559 --> 01:32:22.009
Development group called Reach the New Law, SB 846

01:32:22.019 --> 01:32:27.210
to extend diablo operations states in clause, quote

01:32:27.219 --> 01:32:30.848
the efforts to transfer lands owned and operated by

01:32:31.329 --> 01:32:34.888
uh by operator and Eureka energy shall not be impeded

01:32:34.898 --> 01:32:37.519
by the extension of the operations of Diablo Canyon

01:32:37.530 --> 01:32:42.729
Power Plant. As of July 2021 before SB A 46 was passed

01:32:42.780 --> 01:32:46.569
Y TT tribe was in talks with PG and E and CPUC

01:32:46.628 --> 01:32:50.309
in an effort to reclaim their ancestral homeland according

01:32:50.319 --> 01:32:54.618
to the language of the law. Shouldn't those efforts

01:32:54.628 --> 01:32:58.319
should not be impeded? Thank you.

01:32:58.319 --> 01:33:00.329
Thank you, Brian. I appreciate your comments today

01:33:01.210 --> 01:33:04.888
Operator. May we have the next caller, please?

01:33:04.888 --> 01:33:07.749
Yes, our next caller is Lynn Feinerman. You may go

01:33:07.759 --> 01:33:10.618
ahead.

01:33:10.618 --> 01:33:13.769
Yes, I hope you can hear me. Thanks to the uh C

01:33:13.780 --> 01:33:17.769
PC for having these hearings. Um I guess I'd just like

01:33:17.780 --> 01:33:21.309
to say, first of all that, there are a lot of myths

01:33:21.319 --> 01:33:25.469
being perpetrated on these calls. The first myth, uh

01:33:25.479 --> 01:33:30.888
significant myth is that, um that, that the uh nuclear

01:33:30.898 --> 01:33:35.930
energy is somehow green, that it is somehow non carbon

01:33:36.479 --> 01:33:40.628
the entire nuclear cycle is supported by carbon energy

01:33:40.660 --> 01:33:43.950
including everything having to do with uranium. It

01:33:43.960 --> 01:33:47.898
is not carbon free by any means. That's the first myth

01:33:47.910 --> 01:33:52.780
to be dispelled. The second uh is that it provides

01:33:52.789 --> 01:33:58.160
the majority of uh energy in California. That's way

01:33:58.170 --> 01:34:03.559
off, way off. That's a myth. Uh The third thing is

01:34:03.569 --> 01:34:08.830
not a myth actually, it was quoted by the um environmental

01:34:08.839 --> 01:34:14.370
Working group in Washington DC. And that is that California

01:34:14.379 --> 01:34:23.120
taxpayers may well be putting a $45 billion plus bill

01:34:23.209 --> 01:34:29.879
to keep these two reactors at Diablo online. This is

01:34:29.890 --> 01:34:33.908
mind boggling. It is staggering and it is ludicrous

01:34:34.749 --> 01:34:40.600
to require that kind of payment. And it really is,

01:34:40.609 --> 01:34:45.419
let us face it. A bailout for PG and E and an

01:34:45.428 --> 01:34:49.468
opportunity for PG and E to keep itself propped up

01:34:49.479 --> 01:34:54.687
as a corporation. This is corporate greed at its worst

01:34:55.488 --> 01:35:01.258
And just to finish, I just wanna remind you in terms

01:35:01.269 --> 01:35:06.030
of PGES reliability quotient.

01:35:06.030 --> 01:35:10.290
There was once a town in California once upon a time

01:35:10.488 --> 01:35:19.859
called Paradise.

01:35:19.859 --> 01:35:23.379
Yeah, I think the caller, it has finished your comments

01:35:23.419 --> 01:35:26.299
So I double check.

01:35:26.299 --> 01:35:28.939
Ok, that appears to be the case. Uh Thank you for your

01:35:28.948 --> 01:35:32.089
comments today. I appreciate it. Operator. May we have

01:35:32.100 --> 01:35:35.758
the next color, please? Yes. Our next caller is Heather

01:35:35.769 --> 01:35:40.459
Hoff. You may go ahead.

01:35:40.459 --> 01:35:43.810
I keep hearing that PJ decided to shut Dia Canyon.

01:35:43.819 --> 01:35:46.040
So I want to offer a piece of information that I haven't

01:35:46.049 --> 01:35:48.419
heard discussed in any of the other diablo related

01:35:48.428 --> 01:35:51.589
public meetings or records. In my role as co-founder

01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:54.468
of the nonprofit Mothers for Nuclear. We have been

01:35:54.479 --> 01:35:57.350
advocating for continued operation of Dia Canyon since

01:35:57.359 --> 01:36:01.019
before the announcement of the joint proposal in 2016

01:36:01.589 --> 01:36:04.620
When we met with then Governor Lieutenant Governor

01:36:04.629 --> 01:36:07.729
Newsom's office, we were told in no uncertain terms

01:36:07.738 --> 01:36:10.919
by his head staffer that shutting down the Canon would

01:36:10.928 --> 01:36:13.169
support his election as governor and that they were

01:36:13.178 --> 01:36:15.948
going to make sure it happened. This has been a political

01:36:15.959 --> 01:36:18.439
farce from the start and while our governor might not

01:36:18.448 --> 01:36:21.968
be apologizing for his role in this huge runaround

01:36:22.319 --> 01:36:25.129
I would like to personally say that I have so much

01:36:25.140 --> 01:36:27.915
empathy for all the staff and commissioners, regulators

01:36:27.924 --> 01:36:30.685
legislators, plant workers and community members who

01:36:30.694 --> 01:36:33.283
have been impacted by this. It should never have happened

01:36:33.294 --> 01:36:36.093
in the first place. We should have focused on building

01:36:36.104 --> 01:36:39.053
more clean energy rather than forcing the early shutdown

01:36:39.064 --> 01:36:42.495
of a perfectly good and immensely powerful Diana nuclear

01:36:42.504 --> 01:36:45.455
plant but now we have an opportunity and still have

01:36:45.464 --> 01:36:48.530
time to save diablo. Regarding many other comments

01:36:48.540 --> 01:36:50.899
on this call. I used to have so many of the same

01:36:50.908 --> 01:36:55.069
concerns, earthquakes, radiation accidents, embrittlement

01:36:55.080 --> 01:36:58.718
waste, all that stuff. Certainly sounds scary and I

01:36:58.729 --> 01:37:01.698
was scared about all of it, but I'm a materials engineer

01:37:01.709 --> 01:37:04.979
and quite curious after I got a job at Diablo and personally

01:37:04.988 --> 01:37:08.390
dug into these issues for years and years, I gradually

01:37:08.399 --> 01:37:11.499
learned that my fears were unfounded. Now, I'm one

01:37:11.508 --> 01:37:13.310
of the people that they will call if there's an unusual

01:37:13.319 --> 01:37:15.830
event at the plant and I will go out there and help

01:37:15.839 --> 01:37:18.589
I'm not scared. What I gradually learned is that I

01:37:18.600 --> 01:37:20.698
should truly be scared of what happens when we shut

01:37:20.709 --> 01:37:23.780
down existing nuclear plants and specifically, while

01:37:23.790 --> 01:37:26.149
having false hope and clean technologies that can't

01:37:26.158 --> 01:37:28.620
deliver what we need. I spent a lot of time looking

01:37:28.629 --> 01:37:31.669
at the Iso Today App which regularly demonstrates the

01:37:31.678 --> 01:37:34.508
scale of storage plus new generation that would be

01:37:34.519 --> 01:37:37.609
required to begin to offset our natural gas usage and

01:37:37.620 --> 01:37:40.890
imports. Before we even start talking about replacing

01:37:40.899 --> 01:37:44.238
an existing clean energy resource like Diablo, we need

01:37:44.249 --> 01:37:47.408
reliable, affordable and available energy with the

01:37:47.419 --> 01:37:50.290
least impacts to human health and our planet. While

01:37:50.299 --> 01:37:53.049
renewables can certainly help with this, we do not

01:37:53.060 --> 01:37:54.999
currently have a solution for how to power our grid

01:37:55.008 --> 01:37:58.238
with them. We must not only keep running diablo but

01:37:58.249 --> 01:38:01.008
pursue building new nuclear for our state's ever growing

01:38:01.019 --> 01:38:04.540
energy needs. Thank you.

01:38:04.540 --> 01:38:06.629
Thank you, Heather. I appreciate your comments today

01:38:07.729 --> 01:38:11.830
Operator, may we have the next caller, please?

01:38:11.830 --> 01:38:15.120
Yes, our next caller is Patricia. You may go ahead

01:38:19.560 --> 01:38:25.560
Thank you. My name is Patricia Colon Kohlen. As you

01:38:25.569 --> 01:38:28.569
know, it was after permits have been granted that the

01:38:28.580 --> 01:38:31.669
full extent of where this nuclear power plant was going

01:38:31.678 --> 01:38:35.209
to be built was fully realized that is adjacent to

01:38:35.218 --> 01:38:40.448
two significant earthquake faults for those of us who

01:38:40.459 --> 01:38:43.249
live in the vicinity of the power plant. This has been

01:38:43.258 --> 01:38:47.448
an uneasy coexistence with residents advised on how

01:38:47.459 --> 01:38:51.120
to seal their homes and to have iodine on hand in case

01:38:51.129 --> 01:38:54.749
of a radiation leak from the plant. For me, I have

01:38:54.758 --> 01:38:57.149
lived in the shadow of this power plant since it was

01:38:57.158 --> 01:39:01.218
built, that is for almost 40 years and was greatly

01:39:01.229 --> 01:39:05.890
relieved in 2016 when an agreement was made with numerous

01:39:05.899 --> 01:39:09.580
stakeholders to decommission the nuclear plant at the

01:39:09.589 --> 01:39:15.399
end of each unit's current license which is in 2024

01:39:15.408 --> 01:39:20.178
and 2025. Economic compensation plans were worked out

01:39:20.189 --> 01:39:24.339
with the city of San Luis including the school district

01:39:24.669 --> 01:39:27.928
Everything was on track for this plant which had served

01:39:27.939 --> 01:39:31.439
its useful purpose to close. With the exception of

01:39:31.448 --> 01:39:34.908
what to do with the huge amounts of nuclear waste generated

01:39:34.919 --> 01:39:40.428
by the plant's operation. Fast forward to August 2022

01:39:40.738 --> 01:39:45.189
when Governor Gavin Newsom pushed to get SB 8 46 approved

01:39:45.198 --> 01:39:50.089
to provide PG and E with a 1.4 billion loan to support

01:39:50.100 --> 01:39:53.620
the continued operation of Diao Canyon for another

01:39:53.629 --> 01:39:59.069
5 to 10 years. Then in November 2022 President Biden

01:39:59.080 --> 01:40:03.299
offered the state of California a 1.1 billion grant

01:40:03.310 --> 01:40:07.209
to reimburse the state for their loan and to encourage

01:40:07.218 --> 01:40:11.908
the continued operation of Diablo Canyon. Uh You've

01:40:11.919 --> 01:40:17.790
all heard about the NRC reneging on the um agreement

01:40:17.799 --> 01:40:24.468
that was made. They are now uh suggesting that

01:40:24.468 --> 01:40:27.709
uh or

01:40:27.709 --> 01:40:31.299
the application to renew it for 20 years. This has

01:40:31.310 --> 01:40:36.350
very little regard for any of the regulatory uh requirements

01:40:36.359 --> 01:40:40.569
which are in place and gives little consideration for

01:40:40.580 --> 01:40:43.330
those of us that have lived in the shadow of nuclear

01:40:43.609 --> 01:40:47.008
this nuclear power plant for the last 40 years and

01:40:47.019 --> 01:40:50.120
who were fully expecting it to shut down? Thank you

01:40:51.399 --> 01:40:53.310
Thank you for your comments today. I appreciate it

01:40:54.370 --> 01:40:58.299
Operator. May we have the next color, please?

01:40:58.299 --> 01:41:02.729
Yes, our next caller is Louis. You may go ahead.

01:41:02.729 --> 01:41:09.908
Hey, hello. Uh My name is Louis Louisopt. Er I live

01:41:09.919 --> 01:41:12.149
in San Francisco and I work as a software engineer

01:41:12.819 --> 01:41:15.729
I grew up in France where 40 years ago nuclear power

01:41:15.738 --> 01:41:18.350
was used to decarbonise the grid in about 10 years

01:41:19.049 --> 01:41:21.658
Since then, France has had one of the cleanest large

01:41:21.669 --> 01:41:24.879
scale grid in the world with about 70% nuclear used

01:41:24.890 --> 01:41:27.698
in a lot of following fashion. That means ramping up

01:41:27.709 --> 01:41:31.810
and down alongside Albert transmission and good interconnection

01:41:31.928 --> 01:41:34.850
People in France don't live in the fear of power outages

01:41:35.120 --> 01:41:38.060
or the fear of rejecting greenhouse gas and other toxic

01:41:38.069 --> 01:41:41.339
quest into the atmosphere. We all share. I don't live

01:41:41.350 --> 01:41:44.350
in the fear of nuclear waste because we can use 95%

01:41:44.359 --> 01:41:47.850
of F and the remainder is very minimal, local, easily

01:41:47.859 --> 01:41:50.370
manageable and can simply be forgotten about until

01:41:50.379 --> 01:41:53.640
it decays. I don't live in the fear of accidents because

01:41:53.649 --> 01:41:56.488
the technology used in France or at the canyon is safe

01:41:56.499 --> 01:41:59.238
and independent institutions like the NRC ensure it

01:41:59.249 --> 01:42:02.330
is implemented correctly, offers us an excellent track

01:42:02.339 --> 01:42:05.658
record, track record with regards to earthquakes. And

01:42:05.669 --> 01:42:07.620
my understanding is that tsunamis are not an issue

01:42:07.629 --> 01:42:10.540
at the canyon because the plant is not in the subduction

01:42:10.549 --> 01:42:14.238
zone and built much higher up than Fukushima was. I'm

01:42:14.249 --> 01:42:16.879
not afraid of the cost of nuclear power because studies

01:42:16.890 --> 01:42:20.249
shows that 100% clean energy grids cost less when they

01:42:20.258 --> 01:42:23.408
include cleaner energy like nuclear power. A study

01:42:23.419 --> 01:42:26.589
in the context of 10 100 published in March 2021 in

01:42:26.718 --> 01:42:29.488
issues in science and technology with participation

01:42:29.499 --> 01:42:32.379
from people at Stanford and Princeton Universities

01:42:32.488 --> 01:42:36.229
shows that back to France. A study ordered by the government

01:42:36.439 --> 01:42:39.379
published in June last year. The RT E shows the same

01:42:39.390 --> 01:42:43.310
thing. 100% renewable energy grid is more expensive

01:42:43.319 --> 01:42:46.080
and relies on bigger technological bets. What I'm afraid

01:42:46.089 --> 01:42:49.209
of is the timeline that we have to reach net zero GGS

01:42:49.218 --> 01:42:52.370
emissions to decarbonise our industries, to electrify

01:42:52.379 --> 01:42:55.269
our buildings and our transportation facilities like

01:42:55.280 --> 01:42:58.290
the canyon. Give me hope that such a goal is possible

01:42:58.560 --> 01:43:00.870
and I wish we can keep for the kids to come and

01:43:00.879 --> 01:43:03.408
then we can build more nuclear power reactors in California

01:43:03.819 --> 01:43:06.299
I would like to express my gratitude to staff at the

01:43:06.310 --> 01:43:10.238
CP US C the CPP with the track record of operations

01:43:10.249 --> 01:43:13.669
You are saving lives. Thank you.

01:43:13.669 --> 01:43:17.290
Thank you both. I appreciate your comments today.

01:43:17.290 --> 01:43:20.830
Operator. May we have the next caller, please? Yes

01:43:20.839 --> 01:43:23.290
Her next caller is Alyssa Hayes. You may go ahead and

01:43:25.218 --> 01:43:28.839
hello. I'm an engineering phd candidate and a clean

01:43:28.850 --> 01:43:31.749
energy advocate. I used to live in San Diego and I'm

01:43:31.758 --> 01:43:34.408
originally from Gurney, Illinois and Gurney. My family

01:43:34.419 --> 01:43:37.019
lived a 15 minute drive away from nuclear waste sitting

01:43:37.030 --> 01:43:40.319
on the shore of Lake Michigan. There has been much

01:43:40.330 --> 01:43:42.560
concern in this meeting about the safety of nuclear

01:43:42.569 --> 01:43:45.519
waste. I personally toured the waste pads in both my

01:43:45.530 --> 01:43:48.408
hometown and at Santa Nora nuclear plant to see them

01:43:48.419 --> 01:43:51.560
for myself. The fuel is not even a gas or liquid so

01:43:51.569 --> 01:43:54.689
it can't really leak. It is a solid ceramic which is

01:43:54.698 --> 01:43:57.149
very easy to contain and dry cast. The dose I received

01:43:57.158 --> 01:43:59.718
on H to was less than if I had consumed the potassium

01:43:59.729 --> 01:44:02.399
of like one banana. If you are concerned about the

01:44:02.408 --> 01:44:05.330
waste, I highly recommend requesting a tour for yourself

01:44:05.339 --> 01:44:08.658
as others have said. Secondly, the NRC has heard the

01:44:08.669 --> 01:44:11.280
public's deep concern about diablo's location, your

01:44:11.290 --> 01:44:13.689
fault. They performed a seismic review and analysis

01:44:13.698 --> 01:44:16.508
in 2019 which revealed that Diablo is prepared to withstand

01:44:16.519 --> 01:44:19.629
earthquakes without posing harm to the public or to

01:44:19.640 --> 01:44:22.790
the environment. A PG and E also monitors seismic activity

01:44:22.799 --> 01:44:26.589
as well with its long term seism program. Um Most importantly

01:44:26.600 --> 01:44:28.629
I really don't understand why there's so much fight

01:44:28.640 --> 01:44:31.870
to close California's largest carbon free asset when

01:44:31.879 --> 01:44:34.370
California is one of the oil capitals of the country

01:44:34.419 --> 01:44:37.198
And natural gas is still our primary source for generating

01:44:37.209 --> 01:44:40.189
electricity and desalinating water. Why aren't we closing

01:44:40.198 --> 01:44:43.019
more natural gas plants first? If we're concerned about

01:44:43.030 --> 01:44:45.839
the environment as a clean energy advocate, I urge

01:44:45.850 --> 01:44:48.508
you to keep the Apple Canyon open at least until all

01:44:48.519 --> 01:44:50.919
of the gas plants are gone. We're in a race against

01:44:50.928 --> 01:44:53.310
the climate and we can't afford to lose the clean energy

01:44:53.319 --> 01:44:55.428
that we already have. Thank you so much for your time

01:44:55.439 --> 01:44:59.758
I appreciate these last two hours.

01:44:59.758 --> 01:45:01.549
Thank you very much, Melissa. I appreciate your comments

01:45:01.560 --> 01:45:05.810
today. Uh I wanna note for the record uh that it appears

01:45:05.819 --> 01:45:10.310
our web casting service admin monitor is down. Uh That

01:45:10.319 --> 01:45:14.580
means that the video and I presume the audio uh for

01:45:14.589 --> 01:45:18.089
those folks who are not dialed in uh is not being heard

01:45:18.100 --> 01:45:22.238
Um However, because the information is publicly available

01:45:22.249 --> 01:45:25.609
on the CPU CS website, uh and has been distributed

01:45:25.620 --> 01:45:29.140
in customer notices. Uh I'm gonna go ahead and continue

01:45:29.149 --> 01:45:32.040
with the public participation hearing, uh, and want

01:45:32.049 --> 01:45:36.379
to remind, uh, anyone who wants to call in, um, that

01:45:36.390 --> 01:45:38.689
they can do so by using the information that's previously

01:45:38.698 --> 01:45:42.530
been provided uh by PG and the CPUC. And since anyone

01:45:42.540 --> 01:45:44.810
listening to me has already dialed in, I'm not gonna

01:45:44.819 --> 01:45:48.178
repeat that information. Ok. Having said all that,

01:45:48.189 --> 01:45:50.269
uh, we'll keep an eye on admin monitor. Hopefully we'll

01:45:50.280 --> 01:45:54.968
be up soon. Um Operator, can you please uh give us

01:45:54.979 --> 01:45:58.689
the next caller, please? Yes, thank you. Our next caller

01:45:58.698 --> 01:46:02.468
is Jim d'antona. You may go ahead.

01:46:02.468 --> 01:46:05.419
Thank you. Good afternoon commissioners, Jim d'antona

01:46:05.428 --> 01:46:09.120
I'm the president and CEO for the San Luis Obispo Chamber

01:46:09.129 --> 01:46:13.238
of Commerce. Uh I'm here today to support the extension

01:46:13.249 --> 01:46:18.379
of the Diablo Canyon Power Plant. Um This has been

01:46:18.390 --> 01:46:23.158
a long standing issue and it's uh obviously at a minimum

01:46:23.169 --> 01:46:27.959
we feel you should extend uh their uh generation ability

01:46:27.968 --> 01:46:32.519
to allow for Nr CS application to be finalized. Um

01:46:32.530 --> 01:46:36.769
And allow this to continue. We know as the fifth largest

01:46:36.780 --> 01:46:39.069
economy in the world. I don't need to explain to you

01:46:39.080 --> 01:46:42.738
our power grid and all of the shortcomings we would

01:46:42.749 --> 01:46:48.290
fall with uh that would come with losing this source

01:46:48.359 --> 01:46:52.600
off of our grid. We are 100% in support of the long

01:46:52.609 --> 01:46:55.689
term work that is happening to bring sustainable energy

01:46:55.698 --> 01:46:59.140
online, but we know that we are not ready for that

01:46:59.149 --> 01:47:02.899
Now, right off our coast, we are in the process of

01:47:02.908 --> 01:47:07.508
getting one of California's first wind to energy um

01:47:07.749 --> 01:47:12.209
facilities. But at minimum, that's a decade from now

01:47:12.379 --> 01:47:15.709
So in that meantime, we hope that you will extend San

01:47:15.718 --> 01:47:21.879
uh Dia Canyon's life, um, as a new, the power utility

01:47:22.149 --> 01:47:25.238
And we appreciate all the work you're doing, uh, to

01:47:25.249 --> 01:47:28.609
do this. Thank you for your time.

01:47:28.609 --> 01:47:31.738
Thank you, Jim. I appreciate it. Uh Operator, may we

01:47:31.749 --> 01:47:35.319
have the next caller, please?

01:47:35.319 --> 01:47:38.609
Yes. Our next caller is Josef Fowler. You may go ahead

01:47:39.519 --> 01:47:43.290
Hi, this is Joseph calling from Santa Rosa, California

01:47:43.299 --> 01:47:46.799
currently imports 1/5 to 1 3rd of its energy from other

01:47:46.810 --> 01:47:50.299
states. Not extending operations of Diablo Canyon will

01:47:50.310 --> 01:47:52.689
have the effect of sending that electricity demand

01:47:52.698 --> 01:47:55.859
to states who do not share our environmental policies

01:47:55.870 --> 01:47:58.890
or concerns and who produce energy by burning dirty

01:47:58.899 --> 01:48:04.609
oil, gas and coal. This is at its worst power generated

01:48:04.620 --> 01:48:07.569
by Diablo Canyon does not cannibalize renewables. If

01:48:07.580 --> 01:48:10.080
that were true, California would not need to import

01:48:10.089 --> 01:48:13.899
power. Nuclear waste is a false problem. Conjured up

01:48:13.908 --> 01:48:17.589
by anti nuclear groups who are funded by big oil companies

01:48:17.600 --> 01:48:20.689
making donations to green, wash their shareholders

01:48:20.698 --> 01:48:23.669
pictures of leaking yellow barrels of Simpsons are

01:48:23.678 --> 01:48:27.689
simply not true. Nuclear waste tasks are nearly indestructible

01:48:27.698 --> 01:48:30.718
and have been stress tested with head on train collisions

01:48:30.729 --> 01:48:34.738
and bombs precisely because of three Mile Island Chernobyl

01:48:34.749 --> 01:48:38.178
and Fukushima Nuclear is the most regulated and safest

01:48:38.189 --> 01:48:41.854
form of energy generation. It is so extensively over

01:48:41.863 --> 01:48:45.383
over engineered that even as bullets and shells rained

01:48:45.394 --> 01:48:48.283
down on the Zappos Nuclear Power plant, it continues

01:48:48.294 --> 01:48:51.863
to operate safely. Not a single person has, has died

01:48:51.874 --> 01:48:56.165
of radiation. At Fukushima. 14,000 did tragically die

01:48:56.174 --> 01:48:59.053
from flooding and other catastrophes that come along

01:48:59.064 --> 01:49:02.665
with any tsunami. I urge a few officials to keep diablo

01:49:02.774 --> 01:49:06.044
canyon open and I urge other listeners who are concerned

01:49:06.053 --> 01:49:08.834
about safety to educate themselves and not fall victim

01:49:08.843 --> 01:49:12.629
to propaganda peddlers in particular. My friend, the

01:49:12.640 --> 01:49:15.290
doctor needs to educate himself about the numerous

01:49:15.299 --> 01:49:18.850
lifesaving uses of radioactive isotopes in his field

01:49:18.859 --> 01:49:22.158
Thank you.

01:49:22.158 --> 01:49:25.810
I'm going to remind people not to engage in personal

01:49:25.819 --> 01:49:27.919
attacks against the other callers. Please don't do

01:49:27.928 --> 01:49:31.238
that. Please keep your comments to the issues that

01:49:31.249 --> 01:49:34.609
are relevant to this proceeding and not your judgment

01:49:34.780 --> 01:49:38.549
of other people. Operator. May we have the next caller

01:49:38.560 --> 01:49:42.819
please? Yes, our next caller is Joanne Free Meyer.

01:49:42.979 --> 01:49:47.968
You may go ahead. Hello. Can you hear me? Yes, Joanne

01:49:47.979 --> 01:49:53.810
we can hear you. Please go ahead. Ok. Uh It's Joanne

01:49:53.819 --> 01:50:01.758
first name, last is capital F as in Frank Reem as in

01:50:01.769 --> 01:50:08.049
Mary Ire. I live in Cambria on the central coast uh

01:50:08.060 --> 01:50:12.149
which happens to be the area where the big wind farm

01:50:12.158 --> 01:50:17.189
will be built and I'm looking forward to that. Um I

01:50:17.198 --> 01:50:22.049
have a son, daughter-in-law and two grandsons who live

01:50:22.060 --> 01:50:26.738
in San Luis Obispo. Much closer to the nuclear power

01:50:26.749 --> 01:50:32.738
plant and whenever I visit them I see sirens, um, you

01:50:32.749 --> 01:50:36.669
know, I know you have iodine pills and that stuff is

01:50:36.678 --> 01:50:43.370
scary and I am concerned, uh, you know, that about

01:50:43.379 --> 01:50:47.249
what I hear about the, the, um, brittleness of the

01:50:47.620 --> 01:50:51.519
equipment that the, and the earthquake faults and,

01:50:51.959 --> 01:50:55.290
um, I've always been concerned about nuclear waste

01:50:55.299 --> 01:51:00.049
because, you know, it will last for hundreds of thousands

01:51:00.060 --> 01:51:06.819
of years and, you know, those that, um, think we can

01:51:07.049 --> 01:51:11.780
protect that waste into the future that, you know,

01:51:11.790 --> 01:51:18.899
from human um contamination. Um You, you look at uh

01:51:19.609 --> 01:51:24.069
the Mayan civilization and how long it took us to decipher

01:51:24.080 --> 01:51:28.269
their language and they existed, you know, less than

01:51:28.299 --> 01:51:32.030
1000 years ago. So that's what's gonna happen in the

01:51:32.040 --> 01:51:36.249
future. And so that concerns me and I would like to

01:51:36.258 --> 01:51:44.908
see you not extend the um operation of. And also I

01:51:44.919 --> 01:51:48.408
would like to echo

01:51:48.408 --> 01:51:52.959
who said, think of how you will feel if there is a

01:51:52.968 --> 01:51:55.508
major accident and you were the ones that made the

01:51:55.519 --> 01:52:00.330
decision to extend it. Thank you. Thank you. And I

01:52:00.339 --> 01:52:03.439
appreciate your comments today. Operator. May we have

01:52:03.448 --> 01:52:06.439
the next call, please?

01:52:06.439 --> 01:52:09.530
Our next caller is Bruce Severance. You might go ahead

01:52:11.769 --> 01:52:15.089
Yes, hello? Can you hear me? Ok. Yes, Bruce, we can

01:52:15.100 --> 01:52:18.319
hear you. Please go ahead. My last name is Severance

01:52:18.330 --> 01:52:23.819
Like Severance Pay sev er A N ce. I am a member

01:52:23.830 --> 01:52:28.080
of the D CD. Ep the low canyon Decommissioning engagement

01:52:28.089 --> 01:52:33.830
panel. But today I speak individually, um I because

01:52:33.839 --> 01:52:38.169
of concerns uh that I had in discussions directly with

01:52:38.830 --> 01:52:42.580
uh staff at PG and E. Uh I ended up reading about

01:52:42.589 --> 01:52:47.600
4000 pages of information on the NRC docket over the

01:52:47.609 --> 01:52:52.758
last year. And uh what I have found is that the basis

01:52:52.769 --> 01:52:56.899
for their fractured toughness assessment for unit one

01:52:58.448 --> 01:53:04.019
was accomplished by invalidating their stress test

01:53:04.030 --> 01:53:09.908
data uh that dated back to 2003 using a misinterpretation

01:53:09.919 --> 01:53:16.310
of regulatory guide 1.99 criterion three. And in that

01:53:16.319 --> 01:53:20.580
guide, it gives specific deviations in the data that

01:53:20.589 --> 01:53:26.069
are allowed um in a table that's uh at the back of

01:53:26.080 --> 01:53:33.749
the 2003 capsule V um report uh which has a much longer

01:53:33.758 --> 01:53:40.870
title in Appendix D table D two specifically shows

01:53:40.879 --> 01:53:46.178
that they uh invalidated their, their own stress test

01:53:46.189 --> 01:53:50.479
data on a false premise. This is what allowed them

01:53:50.488 --> 01:53:53.758
to come up with a calculation method for estimating

01:53:53.769 --> 01:53:58.669
the fracture toughness of the unit one, unit one fracture

01:53:58.678 --> 01:54:04.850
toughness was exceeding limits uh according to by 2021

01:54:04.859 --> 01:54:10.769
according to their 2011 update. And they went in and

01:54:10.780 --> 01:54:14.790
revised all the numbers downward based on a calculation

01:54:14.799 --> 01:54:21.890
method according to the 1995 update to 10 CFR 50 this

01:54:21.899 --> 01:54:24.948
is against the rules, they would not have been allowed

01:54:24.959 --> 01:54:30.049
to invalidate their stress test data. So reactor one

01:54:30.060 --> 01:54:33.890
is already at its fracture toughness limits and should

01:54:33.899 --> 01:54:40.030
be shut down immediately. Um I've, I've uh sent a written

01:54:40.040 --> 01:54:43.819
comment to a couple of C PC commissioners and intend

01:54:43.830 --> 01:54:48.589
to post an approximately 30 page analysis of this that

01:54:48.600 --> 01:54:52.439
I co authored with a nuclear physicist from UC Berkeley

01:54:52.718 --> 01:54:56.780
uh onto your docket. Thank you very much. Thank you

01:54:56.790 --> 01:55:00.100
Bruce. I appreciate your comments today. Operator.

01:55:00.109 --> 01:55:02.988
May we have the next call, please?

01:55:02.988 --> 01:55:05.999
Yes, the next caller is Scott Jenkins. You may go ahead

01:55:12.589 --> 01:55:16.530
Hello. Uh This is Scott Jenkins. Uh Thank you for your

01:55:16.540 --> 01:55:21.519
time today. Uh I wanted, I've uh been living in San

01:55:21.530 --> 01:55:25.899
Luis Obispo uh since long before Diablo Canyon uh opened

01:55:25.908 --> 01:55:32.580
in 1985 over those uh years. Uh DC PP has amassed a

01:55:32.589 --> 01:55:35.928
huge amount of radioactive waste that still sits on

01:55:35.939 --> 01:55:41.428
site. Um And there is still nowhere for PGE uh to take

01:55:41.439 --> 01:55:45.640
that waste and dispose of it. Um And now PG and A

01:55:45.649 --> 01:55:48.530
and the federal government and governor are calling

01:55:48.540 --> 01:55:53.060
to keep uh DC PP operating another 10 or 20 years if

01:55:53.069 --> 01:55:58.448
not longer uh with the signing of SP 846 and none of

01:55:58.459 --> 01:56:01.530
these entities have a safe approved place to store

01:56:01.540 --> 01:56:05.830
this highly radioactive waste. Um Now is the time to

01:56:05.839 --> 01:56:09.979
shut down Diablo Canyon. We have a massive nuclear

01:56:09.988 --> 01:56:16.620
if before we have a massive nuclear meltdown from either

01:56:16.629 --> 01:56:20.258
an earthquake on one of the nearby faults, like happened

01:56:20.269 --> 01:56:23.540
in Fukushima or by some rogue nation sending over a

01:56:23.549 --> 01:56:26.999
nuclear missile and detonating it on top of Diablo

01:56:27.008 --> 01:56:32.030
Canyon. Uh It is definitely a target. It is time to

01:56:32.040 --> 01:56:35.178
uh close Diablo once and for all, for the safety of

01:56:35.189 --> 01:56:37.649
all the people and animals and plants on the central

01:56:37.658 --> 01:56:41.370
coast. Uh This is a very serious issue that needs to

01:56:41.379 --> 01:56:44.738
be addressed as soon as possible. Uh I ask that you

01:56:44.749 --> 01:56:49.749
shut down Diablo Canyon uh and install solar and wind

01:56:49.758 --> 01:56:54.169
on the majority of the site to offset some of the uh

01:56:54.178 --> 01:56:58.839
electricity. Uh and one last thought, um all of these

01:56:58.850 --> 01:57:01.819
for profit utility companies like PG and E and SOCAL

01:57:02.100 --> 01:57:05.178
gas should not be for profit. These companies should

01:57:05.189 --> 01:57:08.689
be taken over by the NRC

01:57:08.689 --> 01:57:12.939
uh and turned into uh public utilities like they should

01:57:12.948 --> 01:57:18.100
be that benefit the public good. Um Not just the shareholders

01:57:18.319 --> 01:57:21.780
Uh We need public utility companies that are for the

01:57:21.790 --> 01:57:24.649
benefit of the public good and not just for profit

01:57:24.968 --> 01:57:28.879
I appreciate your time today uh to make a comment and

01:57:29.189 --> 01:57:32.600
uh I hope you'll take these thoughts into consideration

01:57:32.609 --> 01:57:35.959
Thanks a lot. Thank you, Scott. I appreciate your comments

01:57:35.968 --> 01:57:39.640
today. Thank you. Bye bye, operator. May we have the

01:57:39.649 --> 01:57:42.060
next caller, please?

01:57:42.060 --> 01:57:46.508
Yes, our next call is Saab Almay. You may go ahead

01:57:49.310 --> 01:57:53.299
Yeah, hello. Um So at the beginning, I'm gonna say

01:57:53.310 --> 01:57:56.640
the Apple County is like, it's not just an aging facility

01:57:56.649 --> 01:57:59.939
It's a taken time bomb constructed in, in the 19 sixties

01:58:00.209 --> 01:58:03.408
The plant is now showing its age, corroding parts and

01:58:03.419 --> 01:58:07.339
failing systems. This isn't just a matter of old infrastructure

01:58:07.350 --> 01:58:10.959
It's a serious safety concern. The plant's location

01:58:11.080 --> 01:58:15.689
near multiple earthquake falls is, is a disaster waiting

01:58:15.698 --> 01:58:19.819
to happen. The risk of systemic uh event triggering

01:58:19.830 --> 01:58:23.839
a nuclear catastrophe is too great to ignore. The the

01:58:23.850 --> 01:58:26.908
financial burden of the applicant is also becoming

01:58:26.919 --> 01:58:30.850
increasingly unattainable capital projects. Uh cos

01:58:30.859 --> 01:58:33.620
associated with maintaining the outdated facility.

01:58:36.310 --> 01:58:39.999
Uh The like this raises questions about the company's

01:58:40.008 --> 01:58:44.339
uh also P uh PG sorry PG and E, the operator of

01:58:44.350 --> 01:58:48.080
the Canyon is convicted. Uh This raises a serious,

01:58:48.089 --> 01:58:51.499
a serious questions about the company's integrity and

01:58:51.508 --> 01:58:54.879
ability to manage a nuclear power plant safely. The

01:58:54.890 --> 01:58:57.399
unresolved issue of where to store additional high

01:58:57.408 --> 01:59:01.928
level radioactive material for the mall uh is another

01:59:01.939 --> 01:59:05.698
major concern. The potential environmental impact of

01:59:05.709 --> 01:59:09.749
improper storage is enormous. Uh Furthermore, the canyon

01:59:09.758 --> 01:59:12.810
is a roadblock to progress its operation impedes the

01:59:12.819 --> 01:59:18.530
flow of renewable clean uh clean energy uh on, on the

01:59:18.540 --> 01:59:21.149
great hindering our transition of a sustainable energy

01:59:21.158 --> 01:59:24.350
future. The plan's once through cooling system is a

01:59:24.359 --> 01:59:28.080
minister to the local marine environment, a clear violation

01:59:28.089 --> 01:59:31.689
of the Clear Clean Water Act. This isn't just an environmental

01:59:31.698 --> 01:59:35.830
issue. It's a, it's a legal one in light of these concerns

01:59:36.549 --> 01:59:39.370
It's clear that the applicant is a liability we cannot

01:59:39.379 --> 01:59:42.560
longer afford. It's time to shut down this dangerous

01:59:42.569 --> 01:59:45.158
dirty and expensive to the past. Thank you so much

01:59:47.939 --> 01:59:49.908
Thank you so much. I appreciate your comments today

01:59:51.049 --> 01:59:55.109
Operator. May we have the next caller, please?

01:59:55.109 --> 01:59:57.988
Yes. Our next color is less gold. You may go ahead

01:59:57.999 --> 01:59:58.158
and.

02:00:02.957 --> 02:00:06.066
Could that be cliff?

02:00:06.066 --> 02:00:10.577
Yes, go ahead. Oh, ok. Uh My name is Cliff Gold, uh

02:00:10.587 --> 02:00:15.537
spelled gold. I'm calling from Fremont, California

02:00:15.627 --> 02:00:19.307
and I'm a member of generation of comma. I would like

02:00:19.316 --> 02:00:24.168
to support keeping Canyon running as long as possible

02:00:24.456 --> 02:00:29.408
It is the cheapest, most reliable source of clean energy

02:00:29.607 --> 02:00:34.006
for California. Although the cost of building nuclear

02:00:34.017 --> 02:00:37.648
is high in the US. Diablo Canyon has already been paid

02:00:37.658 --> 02:00:42.487
for the running costs are very low. The current low

02:00:42.498 --> 02:00:48.908
carbon strategy of solar plus wind by natural gas at

02:00:48.917 --> 02:00:53.337
night on cloudy days and when the wind doesn't blow

02:00:53.386 --> 02:00:58.017
does not get us to net zero. A strategy of backup with

02:00:58.026 --> 02:01:01.456
batteries is ridiculously expensive at the kind of

02:01:01.468 --> 02:01:06.177
scale that that is required. The total CO2 output of

02:01:06.186 --> 02:01:10.377
nuclear is slightly less than that of solar or wind

02:01:11.007 --> 02:01:16.147
and about 100 times less than gas. Nuclear energy is

02:01:16.158 --> 02:01:20.867
also safe. No one has ever been killed by commercial

02:01:20.877 --> 02:01:26.546
nuclear power in the US worldwide. The death rate is

02:01:26.558 --> 02:01:31.076
between that of solar and wind again, about 100 times

02:01:31.088 --> 02:01:35.838
less than gas. And yes, this includes Fukushima and

02:01:35.847 --> 02:01:38.838
Chernobyl.

02:01:38.838 --> 02:01:43.496
The waste is safely stored in dry casks on site. This

02:01:43.507 --> 02:01:47.097
can continue until we build reactors that can use it

02:01:47.106 --> 02:01:51.767
as a fuel or we can recycle it with reprocessing as

02:01:51.778 --> 02:01:56.466
France does. Now, if the Canyon is shut down early

02:01:56.477 --> 02:02:00.677
it will be replaced by natural gas. This will increase

02:02:00.686 --> 02:02:04.847
CO2 emissions. This will kill people. Please don't

02:02:04.856 --> 02:02:09.466
shut down Diablo Canyon. Thank you.

02:02:09.466 --> 02:02:11.637
Thank you, Cliff. I appreciate your comments today

02:02:12.768 --> 02:02:16.357
Operator. May we have the next caller, please?

02:02:16.357 --> 02:02:19.047
Yes, our next caller is Eric Meyer. You may go ahead

02:02:21.966 --> 02:02:25.738
Thank you so much for taking my comments. Um Yeah.

02:02:25.746 --> 02:02:30.908
Uh So the, the first time I, I saw it and got

02:02:30.916 --> 02:02:36.227
to visit Diablo Canyon was back in 2014. And uh I,

02:02:36.627 --> 02:02:40.526
at the time I was merely a, a proponent of advanced

02:02:40.537 --> 02:02:44.368
reactors because of, of the uh the, the dangers as

02:02:44.377 --> 02:02:48.547
I saw them of, of existing nuclear. Um But uh after

02:02:48.557 --> 02:02:52.317
seeing that facility and, and getting a tour, uh seeing

02:02:52.327 --> 02:02:55.727
the backup system upon backup system, I mean, the gra

02:02:55.738 --> 02:03:01.577
gravity driven uh cooling pool on, on the, um I was

02:03:01.587 --> 02:03:05.837
just, uh I was amazed uh at, at what they do there

02:03:06.087 --> 02:03:10.458
Um It also kind of let me to think. Wow. Uh I

02:03:10.466 --> 02:03:14.416
I get why people are afraid of this because there's

02:03:14.428 --> 02:03:18.988
so many uh so many measures taken to uh ensure that

02:03:18.996 --> 02:03:21.877
it, it, it is so safe that it, it makes you think

02:03:21.887 --> 02:03:25.507
the consequences would be, would be large. Um Since

02:03:25.518 --> 02:03:28.627
then I've realized that the consequences of fear of

02:03:28.637 --> 02:03:33.458
nuclear are much larger. Um We saw it just a couple

02:03:33.466 --> 02:03:37.557
of years ago when Indian Point closed down in New York

02:03:37.567 --> 02:03:41.398
and they had to start two new natural gas facilities

02:03:41.408 --> 02:03:45.988
and uh start up. Uh another one that had been idling

02:03:45.996 --> 02:03:49.118
uh in order to pick up the slack from that large low

02:03:49.127 --> 02:03:53.966
carbon generator there and that created three new environmental

02:03:53.977 --> 02:03:56.637
justice communities. Uh One of those plants is just

02:03:56.648 --> 02:04:01.936
up wind of housing projects um and power in New York

02:04:01.946 --> 02:04:05.746
more expensive and less reliable. Um Similarly, if

02:04:05.757 --> 02:04:09.658
that happens in California, we're looking at more blackouts

02:04:09.666 --> 02:04:14.867
which have a real human cost. Uh to uh anyone that

02:04:14.878 --> 02:04:19.908
that needs uh air conditioning on hot days, needs dialysis

02:04:19.917 --> 02:04:23.557
hospitals. Um

02:04:23.557 --> 02:04:26.008
We can get back up generators but when we have the

02:04:26.016 --> 02:04:29.008
most reliable and cleanest energy source uh in the

02:04:29.016 --> 02:04:33.277
world, let's keep it. Thank you. Thank you, Eric. I

02:04:33.287 --> 02:04:36.107
appreciate your comments today.

02:04:36.107 --> 02:04:39.557
Operator. May we have the next caller, please? Our

02:04:39.568 --> 02:04:45.436
next caller is Dan. You may go ahead.

02:04:45.436 --> 02:04:48.527
Hello. Can you hear me? Yes, and we can hear you. Please

02:04:48.537 --> 02:04:51.396
go ahead. Ok. Thank uh Steam commissioners. Thank you

02:04:51.408 --> 02:04:53.206
for taking your time to hear from the public on this

02:04:53.217 --> 02:04:55.667
matter. I'm a registered professional civil engineer

02:04:55.677 --> 02:04:58.227
in California. I have my master's in civil engineering

02:04:58.237 --> 02:05:01.167
focused in structures. I'm an adjunct faculty at Cal

02:05:01.496 --> 02:05:05.677
Poly in San. Uh I was a consultant at canyon for seven

02:05:05.686 --> 02:05:08.867
years. Up until about five years ago, the design and

02:05:08.878 --> 02:05:11.237
construction of diablo far exceeds any of our other

02:05:11.246 --> 02:05:14.086
infrastructure. We have dams, bridges, high rises,

02:05:14.097 --> 02:05:17.496
schools, hospitals, et cetera. It's high seismic safety

02:05:17.508 --> 02:05:20.138
has been evaluated and reevaluated numerous times.

02:05:20.146 --> 02:05:22.537
It's probably one of the most studied structures in

02:05:22.547 --> 02:05:25.266
the world. And state of the art seismic studies were

02:05:25.277 --> 02:05:28.336
conducted in countless global excerpts, consulted on

02:05:28.347 --> 02:05:31.847
cat categorization of its seismic vulnerability. Uh

02:05:31.857 --> 02:05:35.146
We have the shoreline fault and those studies, each

02:05:35.158 --> 02:05:39.496
and every study shows that diablo is safe. Um to be

02:05:39.508 --> 02:05:42.658
clear, safety is solely the Nr C's purview, not any

02:05:42.667 --> 02:05:46.487
state entities. Diablo has an immeasurably small environmental

02:05:46.496 --> 02:05:52.186
impact um as quoted by, you know, the IPCC uh National

02:05:52.198 --> 02:05:55.448
Renewable Energy Labs. U United Nations Economic Council

02:05:55.456 --> 02:06:00.146
in Europe. Um They find nuclear has the lowest life

02:06:00.158 --> 02:06:04.807
cycle emissions of all energy sources. Um And because

02:06:04.818 --> 02:06:08.828
it runs 24 7, it doesn't need the backup power coming

02:06:08.836 --> 02:06:15.807
from, you know, non non clean sources. Um had a um

02:06:16.146 --> 02:06:19.246
a biological monitoring program for its entire history

02:06:19.258 --> 02:06:25.186
It's one of the longest running programs. Um and California

02:06:25.198 --> 02:06:28.477
has an a 30% energy deficit. We import that amount

02:06:28.487 --> 02:06:31.698
of energy from out of state. Uh of all that we generate

02:06:31.706 --> 02:06:37.117
in state, 50.2% is natural gas. Um And we aim to uh

02:06:37.138 --> 02:06:40.307
electrify more homes and get gas out of homes and we

02:06:40.318 --> 02:06:44.146
aim to uh increase electric vehicle usage which will

02:06:44.158 --> 02:06:49.617
only further burden the grid. Uh 24 7 low carbon energy

02:06:49.628 --> 02:06:54.057
is needed. Keep the open as long as possible. Um And

02:06:54.068 --> 02:06:58.706
don't place any arbitrary caps on the extension. Thank

02:06:58.717 --> 02:07:02.177
you. Thank you, Dan. I appreciate your comments today

02:07:03.146 --> 02:07:07.047
operator, may we have the next caller, please?

02:07:07.047 --> 02:07:09.977
Yes. Her next caller is Jane Walker. You may go ahead

02:07:12.828 --> 02:07:16.336
Hello, can you hear me? We can hear you, please go

02:07:16.347 --> 02:07:25.008
ahead. Great. Um So SB 8 46 was, was put into law

02:07:25.068 --> 02:07:31.287
uh based on the reliability of the Canyon on the assumption

02:07:31.297 --> 02:07:36.417
and on the statements of reliability. But as I as uh

02:07:36.427 --> 02:07:41.436
Donna Gilmore of San informed all of us today, the

02:07:41.448 --> 02:07:48.128
data states that 40% of the days Gala Canyon in the

02:07:48.138 --> 02:07:51.628
last four years, Gala Canyon was down, one or more

02:07:51.638 --> 02:07:57.047
of the actors was down. This needs to be reevaluated

02:07:57.266 --> 02:08:00.758
and looked at carefully. This is within the commission's

02:08:00.766 --> 02:08:04.878
jurisdiction and it would be extremely irresponsible

02:08:05.198 --> 02:08:10.217
not to review this carefully. Thank you.

02:08:10.217 --> 02:08:12.547
Thank you, Julie. I appreciate your comments today

02:08:13.597 --> 02:08:16.758
Uh Operator, are there any more callers in the queue

02:08:18.367 --> 02:08:20.777
And we have no additional callers in the on the public

02:08:20.787 --> 02:08:22.717
comment, telephone line. But again, if you would like

02:08:22.727 --> 02:08:25.977
to make a comment, please unmute your phone, press

02:08:25.987 --> 02:08:29.246
star one and record your first and last name slowly

02:08:29.258 --> 02:08:32.228
and clearly when prompted. It may take a few moments

02:08:32.238 --> 02:08:36.076
for comments to come in. Please do bye.

02:08:36.076 --> 02:08:39.115
Yes, we'll stand by for two minutes and see if anyone

02:08:39.125 --> 02:08:42.647
else wants to join the queue. Want to be off the record

02:09:03.147 --> 02:09:05.757
Our next caller is Roger Heroid. You may go ahead.

02:09:05.868 --> 02:09:08.147
Right. Hang, hang on a second. We're still, we're still

02:09:08.158 --> 02:09:11.316
off the record because I was waiting. Oh, I, but that's

02:09:11.326 --> 02:09:14.118
ok. Glad to hear. We have someone else. Uh, let's be

02:09:14.127 --> 02:09:17.897
back on the record uh, operator. Uh, next caller, please

02:09:19.248 --> 02:09:21.748
And our next caller is Roger Heroid. You may go ahead

02:09:22.307 --> 02:09:25.826
Yeah, hi, thank you. Can you hear me? Yes, Roger, we

02:09:25.836 --> 02:09:28.167
can hear you. Please go ahead. Um Yeah, I'd like you

02:09:28.177 --> 02:09:31.547
to actually pause the process as you may or may not

02:09:31.557 --> 02:09:33.877
know. The environmental working group came up with

02:09:33.887 --> 02:09:37.498
a study yesterday, completely different from the Stanford

02:09:38.066 --> 02:09:42.826
uh mit study that started this process suggesting that

02:09:42.836 --> 02:09:46.908
we could be losing $45 billion. I think that needs

02:09:46.917 --> 02:09:51.196
to be looked at a little more closely. Um, a lot of

02:09:51.206 --> 02:09:54.706
information today that might not be correct. Maybe

02:09:54.716 --> 02:09:58.066
you haven't heard this, but as a result of Fukushima

02:09:58.427 --> 02:10:05.017
that country's electric company was fined $95 billion

02:10:05.248 --> 02:10:09.658
for the Fukushima disaster that can be looked up. Um

02:10:09.667 --> 02:10:14.147
we also know the Ukrainian inspector of nuclear power

02:10:14.158 --> 02:10:18.098
now becoming a possible terrorist point of attack with

02:10:18.108 --> 02:10:21.557
missile systems in North Korea pointed at the west

02:10:21.566 --> 02:10:25.287
coast of this country and will certainly be a target

02:10:25.297 --> 02:10:28.716
which should be considered. We also know the fact that

02:10:28.728 --> 02:10:32.658
France's nuclear industry was shut down almost completely

02:10:32.667 --> 02:10:36.267
the other year due to overheating capacity or should

02:10:36.277 --> 02:10:39.517
I say the country was so hot that cooling waters were

02:10:39.527 --> 02:10:44.956
not usable. And we also know that in Japan as a result

02:10:44.966 --> 02:10:48.316
of Fukushima, almost 70% of that country's nuclear

02:10:48.326 --> 02:10:51.728
industry has been shut down since at public demand

02:10:51.738 --> 02:10:55.738
over concerns about their seismic issues. We also know

02:10:55.748 --> 02:11:00.086
for a fact that your agency has been doing things that

02:11:00.098 --> 02:11:04.456
are not very nice for Californians. By that, I'm talking

02:11:04.466 --> 02:11:09.007
about the recent decision where literally all Californians

02:11:09.017 --> 02:11:13.868
wanted the solar rebates to continue where after hours

02:11:13.877 --> 02:11:18.196
and hours of testimony uh were ignored and the puc

02:11:18.206 --> 02:11:22.307
simply voted it out of existence. You know, even though

02:11:22.316 --> 02:11:26.177
they knew that this was a nationwide campaign to attack

02:11:26.187 --> 02:11:32.086
solar power and lost 50% of its electrical or of its

02:11:32.098 --> 02:11:35.677
solar development as a result of the same action I

02:11:35.687 --> 02:11:39.326
could go on. I'm on, I'm original intervener from the

02:11:39.336 --> 02:11:45.177
1985 88 PC case and talk about issues there that have

02:11:45.187 --> 02:11:49.277
never been heard since. And sadly, we only get a minute

02:11:49.287 --> 02:11:52.206
So I'm gonna have to submit some documents on this

02:11:52.216 --> 02:11:55.797
What, how long do we have to actually submit information

02:11:55.807 --> 02:12:00.566
about this? Oh, Roger, uh you can submit written public

02:12:00.576 --> 02:12:03.137
comment on the docket card for this proceeding. Uh

02:12:03.147 --> 02:12:06.137
I'll repeat the link just for everyone's benefit. It's

02:12:06.147 --> 02:12:15.037
A PPS dot CPUC dot C A dot gov back slash C

02:12:15.187 --> 02:12:23.627
back slash R 2301007. And that is a, a place where

02:12:23.637 --> 02:12:26.427
if you're not a party, uh you can leave written comment

02:12:26.586 --> 02:12:29.377
uh regarding your thoughts on the proceeding. Uh But

02:12:29.387 --> 02:12:31.108
thank you for your thoughts today, Roger. I appreciate

02:12:31.118 --> 02:12:32.946
it.

02:12:32.946 --> 02:12:35.946
Uh Just uh a quick status update for everyone. We still

02:12:35.956 --> 02:12:37.677
have some folks that would like to make comment. Uh

02:12:37.687 --> 02:12:40.408
We will get to you. Uh If we still have folks in

02:12:40.417 --> 02:12:42.937
the queue at 4 30 I'm just letting you know in advance

02:12:42.946 --> 02:12:45.627
I plan to take uh a 10 minute break at 4 30

02:12:45.956 --> 02:12:48.696
so that everyone can have a bit of time. Uh But then

02:12:48.706 --> 02:12:51.307
if we still have people in the queue, uh we will resume

02:12:51.316 --> 02:12:55.277
at 4 40 in that event. Uh Having said that uh operator

02:12:55.287 --> 02:12:58.017
uh next caller, please.

02:12:58.017 --> 02:13:00.706
Our next caller is Robert Perry. You may go ahead.

02:13:01.887 --> 02:13:05.257
Yeah, hi. Can you hear me? Yes, Robert, we can hear

02:13:05.267 --> 02:13:09.566
you. Please go ahead. Ok, great. Um Yeah, I just wanna

02:13:09.576 --> 02:13:13.437
comment on the economic ramifications of, of this proposed

02:13:13.446 --> 02:13:18.658
extension. Um First off whatever preliminary estimate

02:13:18.667 --> 02:13:22.706
has been given for uh repairing the deferred maintenance

02:13:22.716 --> 02:13:25.937
on the plant. If past is prologue, you can pretty much

02:13:25.946 --> 02:13:29.118
double or triple that amount. That's been the, the

02:13:29.127 --> 02:13:35.598
legacy of nuclear energy cost overruns. Um On a separate

02:13:35.608 --> 02:13:39.826
note in September of last year, California faced a

02:13:39.836 --> 02:13:44.618
energy supply shortfall of two gigawatts or the roughly

02:13:44.627 --> 02:13:49.047
the energy capacity of Diablo Canyon using a relatively

02:13:49.057 --> 02:13:55.826
crude process of phone, text emails and broadcast messages

02:13:55.908 --> 02:14:00.767
They were able to reduce system load by over two gigawatts

02:14:01.177 --> 02:14:04.177
On that basis. How much did that cost the state of

02:14:04.187 --> 02:14:07.127
California? Practically nothing because there is no

02:14:07.137 --> 02:14:10.696
compensation mechanism currently in effect for a demand

02:14:10.706 --> 02:14:15.826
response for a miniscule fraction of the billions it

02:14:15.836 --> 02:14:19.187
would cost to fix the plant. California could design

02:14:19.196 --> 02:14:22.927
and implement a demand response program that would

02:14:22.937 --> 02:14:28.336
enable load reductions of an order of magnitude greater

02:14:28.466 --> 02:14:32.316
than the generating capacity of Diablo Canyon. With

02:14:32.326 --> 02:14:36.187
all the other billions that could be invested directly

02:14:36.196 --> 02:14:41.086
into communities to develop local energy resources

02:14:41.098 --> 02:14:46.557
that are truly the only firewall between energy security

02:14:46.566 --> 02:14:52.517
and climate change. So I urge that uh the Diablo cannon

02:14:52.527 --> 02:14:58.027
be closed as was agreed to by a wide range of stakeholders

02:14:58.206 --> 02:15:01.777
a number of years ago and the money be diverted to

02:15:01.787 --> 02:15:05.777
forward looking uh distributed energy technologies

02:15:05.787 --> 02:15:09.076
which will provide the energy security that California

02:15:09.086 --> 02:15:12.897
needs. Thank you very much.

02:15:12.897 --> 02:15:15.108
Thank you, Robert for your comment today. I appreciate

02:15:15.118 --> 02:15:19.408
it. Operator. May we have the next caller please? Our

02:15:19.417 --> 02:15:22.248
next caller is John Eichelberger. You may go ahead

02:15:22.257 --> 02:15:27.206
and hi. Can you hear me? Ok. Yes, John, we can hear

02:15:27.216 --> 02:15:30.586
you. Please go ahead. Good. Thank you. Um Yeah, I've

02:15:30.598 --> 02:15:34.446
got I want first I wanna say here here to the previous

02:15:34.456 --> 02:15:36.917
speaker. I agree with everything that he says. That

02:15:36.927 --> 02:15:43.187
we should be using the money to up to $45 billion according

02:15:43.196 --> 02:15:46.336
to the environmental working group study, just put

02:15:46.348 --> 02:15:52.326
out um to keep Canyon open for another 20 years. But

02:15:52.336 --> 02:15:58.667
I have two, um 222 concerns that I wanna issue. One

02:15:58.677 --> 02:16:06.147
is economic and uh um one is uh procedural procedurally

02:16:06.728 --> 02:16:12.238
bill of 8 46 legislation called for a five year extension

02:16:12.326 --> 02:16:18.627
to the operating license to 2030. But the NRC now wants

02:16:18.637 --> 02:16:22.908
to give it a 20 year extension and that seems like

02:16:22.917 --> 02:16:27.137
it goes outside the intent of the legislation that

02:16:27.147 --> 02:16:31.507
this be a temporary emergency measure to stabilize

02:16:31.517 --> 02:16:35.868
the energy grid for the short term while we build renewables

02:16:35.877 --> 02:16:39.547
Now, we're talking about extending the life of the

02:16:39.716 --> 02:16:43.118
canyon another 20 years, which is holding renewable

02:16:43.127 --> 02:16:46.598
energy out of the wires because it puts out so much

02:16:46.608 --> 02:16:50.836
energy and it can't be modulated downward to accommodate

02:16:50.848 --> 02:16:55.946
growing numbers of solar rooftops and small grids and

02:16:55.956 --> 02:16:59.456
a lot of other, you know, batteries and a lot of other

02:17:00.147 --> 02:17:05.157
implements that could be put in, you know, into um

02:17:05.485 --> 02:17:09.706
to stabilize the grid and build a truly green energy

02:17:09.715 --> 02:17:14.096
conservation effort. Uh With, you know, there's, they're

02:17:14.106 --> 02:17:18.755
$45 billion worth of rooftop solar in, you know, given

02:17:18.766 --> 02:17:25.177
to everybody for free, basically, um 1000 watts for

02:17:25.186 --> 02:17:28.286
free to, you know, 45 billion would go a long ways

02:17:28.296 --> 02:17:31.397
there. And that would take a lot of stress off the

02:17:31.407 --> 02:17:35.957
grid more than enough to be able to finally retire

02:17:36.887 --> 02:17:40.197
Canyon. There's already been more available energy

02:17:40.357 --> 02:17:44.088
added to the grid in the last five years than can several

02:17:44.097 --> 02:17:46.367
times more than the Canon puts out. But thank you for

02:17:46.377 --> 02:17:50.127
your this offer opportunity to make a comment. Sorry

02:17:50.137 --> 02:17:53.568
I went over a little bit. Good bye. Thank you, John

02:17:53.578 --> 02:17:56.568
I appreciate your comments today. Operator. May we

02:17:56.578 --> 02:17:59.808
have the next color, please?

02:17:59.808 --> 02:18:02.818
Yes, our next caller is Lynn Midler. You may go ahead

02:18:04.996 --> 02:18:08.746
Hello, uh I'm Lynn Hitler, a retired teacher from Davis

02:18:08.756 --> 02:18:12.288
California. Following this critical issue. We're ready

02:18:12.298 --> 02:18:15.766
I think to let go of Mount Diablo even as a backup

02:18:15.776 --> 02:18:19.588
for peak demand. Once we doubted California had enough

02:18:19.597 --> 02:18:24.147
stored energy for cooling on hot late afternoons. Amazingly

02:18:24.158 --> 02:18:27.217
in just these few intervening years, we now have more

02:18:27.226 --> 02:18:30.647
than enough stored energy resources to meet such cooling

02:18:30.658 --> 02:18:34.647
demands. The list of added backup energy begins with

02:18:34.658 --> 02:18:38.467
5000 megawatts of new large scale batteries now online

02:18:38.506 --> 02:18:43.588
totaling 5600 MB enough to double the peak power capacity

02:18:43.597 --> 02:18:47.667
of Diablo Canyon. Increasing rooftop solar is expected

02:18:47.677 --> 02:18:52.798
to reach 10% by 2024. Whereas my energy just went off

02:18:52.808 --> 02:18:56.026
Whereas the energy from Diablo Canyon accounts for

02:18:56.038 --> 02:19:00.986
just 5.5% of the state's electricity. In short, we

02:19:00.996 --> 02:19:04.137
no longer need Diablo Canyon even to help with peak

02:19:04.147 --> 02:19:07.756
load. It's time to celebrate our energy independence

02:19:07.766 --> 02:19:10.986
through continued growth of renewables, rooftop solar

02:19:10.996 --> 02:19:14.838
and energy efficiency and shut down Diablo Canyon.

02:19:15.236 --> 02:19:18.476
Thank you.

02:19:18.476 --> 02:19:21.818
Thank you. I appreciate your comments. Today, operator

02:19:21.828 --> 02:19:25.377
may we have the next caller, please? Our next caller

02:19:25.387 --> 02:19:30.658
is Beverly, you may go ahead.

02:19:30.658 --> 02:19:33.658
Hi, do I need to unmute

02:19:33.658 --> 02:19:37.568
or are you hearing me? Fine? Ok, thank you. Um Hi,

02:19:37.578 --> 02:19:40.207
my name is Beverly. I'm the president of the Electric

02:19:40.217 --> 02:19:44.288
Vehicle Association of the central coast and um, something

02:19:44.298 --> 02:19:47.236
that's not been accounted for. Is that well, what's

02:19:47.246 --> 02:19:50.038
been been accused is that EVs are just going to be

02:19:50.048 --> 02:19:53.717
more of a, a drain on the grid. But in fact, if

02:19:53.726 --> 02:19:57.107
EVs are charged during the day, they're using energy

02:19:57.117 --> 02:19:59.667
that is being exported from California. The solar ener

02:19:59.677 --> 02:20:03.072
the excess solar energy that's being produced by the

02:20:03.082 --> 02:20:08.213
California grid is being exported. It can easily fuel

02:20:08.222 --> 02:20:12.492
up our evs and have the energy available in the evening

02:20:12.621 --> 02:20:15.742
for the grid and for the people's homes, we just need

02:20:15.752 --> 02:20:20.082
to have some permissions granted already. The power

02:20:20.092 --> 02:20:24.443
walls are being used in that capacity in some pilot

02:20:24.453 --> 02:20:29.262
programs to use their excess energy to power the grid

02:20:29.607 --> 02:20:34.377
Um For those who say that um no, no one has died

02:20:34.387 --> 02:20:39.526
from nuclear problems. That is not true. My brother

02:20:39.538 --> 02:20:43.667
has died from uh the three mile island meltdown. He

02:20:43.677 --> 02:20:48.058
lived in Harrisburg at the time and a and clusters

02:20:48.068 --> 02:20:52.617
of cancers from thousands of people were being reported

02:20:52.976 --> 02:20:56.117
Those people have not been to my knowledge followed

02:20:56.127 --> 02:20:58.377
But my brother was followed by the federal government

02:20:58.387 --> 02:21:02.048
for his entire life. The life that he did have and

02:21:02.058 --> 02:21:05.367
he died from one of those cancer cancers in the cluster

02:21:05.377 --> 02:21:09.637
which was leukemia and had other complications as well

02:21:09.647 --> 02:21:14.127
as a result of the leukemia. So, um please uh people

02:21:14.137 --> 02:21:19.947
need to stop saying that uh 100% of um the energy that

02:21:19.957 --> 02:21:23.236
Diablo Canyon currently generates is being added in

02:21:23.246 --> 02:21:27.357
renewables to the grid annually. We do not need to

02:21:27.367 --> 02:21:31.847
have Diablo Canyon. Please close it down. It is a danger

02:21:31.857 --> 02:21:35.578
that is waiting to happen.

02:21:35.578 --> 02:21:40.756
One last thing please. Um The cost that would be avoided

02:21:40.766 --> 02:21:45.986
for the grid is being being put by uh solar solar and

02:21:45.996 --> 02:21:50.538
EVs are being bought by individuals and that cost is

02:21:50.548 --> 02:21:53.756
not costing the grid. It is costing individuals that

02:21:53.766 --> 02:21:57.357
they are contributing to the grid and could continue

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to do so while there the uh peak energy uses during

02:22:02.256 --> 02:22:05.838
the day or excuse me. Well, I'm sorry, I'm getting

02:22:05.847 --> 02:22:09.736
a little confused. Ok. Go ahead to ask you. Ok, go

02:22:09.746 --> 02:22:12.408
ahead. Sorry, I'm sorry. Thank you for your time. Ok

02:22:12.647 --> 02:22:15.377
No, thank you for your comments. I appreciate it. Uh

02:22:15.387 --> 02:22:18.857
Operator, may we have the next caller, please? And

02:22:18.867 --> 02:22:21.437
her next caller is Grant Draper. You may go ahead and

02:22:24.038 --> 02:22:27.338
thank you. Uh It's Grant Draper from San Francisco

02:22:27.687 --> 02:22:31.016
Um I appreciate this opportunity to share my comments

02:22:31.026 --> 02:22:34.597
Um I wanna ask that we extend the operation of Diablo

02:22:34.607 --> 02:22:37.538
Canyon, so that we can save more Californian lives

02:22:38.496 --> 02:22:43.058
According to the Anthropocene Institute analysis, our

02:22:43.068 --> 02:22:47.246
nuclear power plants have helped us save or avoid more

02:22:47.256 --> 02:22:52.328
than 40,000 deaths in California. So I ask you, what

02:22:52.338 --> 02:22:55.367
would California look like? Without nuclear power plants

02:22:55.798 --> 02:22:58.558
There'd be far more fossil fuel plants. We all know

02:22:58.568 --> 02:23:02.558
that, which means more emissions, more climate change

02:23:02.568 --> 02:23:06.597
more air pollution deaths and more preventable illnesses

02:23:06.697 --> 02:23:10.476
every year. Nuclear power helps prevent all of that

02:23:10.486 --> 02:23:16.177
pro providing clean, safe and reliable power. Please

02:23:16.187 --> 02:23:19.947
extend the life of Diablo Canyon and thank you all

02:23:19.957 --> 02:23:22.798
for your time.

02:23:22.798 --> 02:23:24.766
Thank you. Grant. I appreciate your comments today

02:23:25.558 --> 02:23:29.068
Operator. May we have the next caller, please? Your

02:23:29.078 --> 02:23:33.457
next caller is Leslie Purcell. You may go ahead.

02:23:33.457 --> 02:23:37.967
Uh Hello, this is Purcell. Um I'm calling to ask you

02:23:37.976 --> 02:23:42.226
not to extend the canyon uh for the next 20 years.

02:23:42.637 --> 02:23:47.506
I think that it's not safe, it's not needed. I would

02:23:47.516 --> 02:23:51.207
concur with some of the previous speakers on some of

02:23:51.217 --> 02:23:55.867
the um figures that they gave us to other forms of

02:23:55.877 --> 02:24:02.788
energy that we can use instead. Um It's not possible

02:24:02.798 --> 02:24:05.288
to really remediate or we still don't know what to

02:24:05.298 --> 02:24:09.627
do with the huge amount of nuclear spent fuel that

02:24:09.637 --> 02:24:13.927
is radioactive and in fact closing it would create

02:24:13.937 --> 02:24:17.627
jobs. So that's something important to consider. Uh

02:24:17.637 --> 02:24:22.496
it's not clean. There's a huge cost actually in energy

02:24:22.506 --> 02:24:27.107
to mine the uranium process, it transport it and a

02:24:27.117 --> 02:24:32.217
lot of those issues are not really addressed in the

02:24:32.226 --> 02:24:37.437
um current proposal to keep it going. Um I'd like to

02:24:37.447 --> 02:24:41.158
mention that Ventura County has extended and they're

02:24:41.167 --> 02:24:46.236
actually getting more solar panels over their uh administration

02:24:46.246 --> 02:24:51.177
parking lots. It's been very, very effective and popular

02:24:51.187 --> 02:24:56.078
and cost effective. And instead of Diablo Canyon, we

02:24:56.088 --> 02:24:59.776
should be doing more local solar, more distributed

02:24:59.788 --> 02:25:03.647
energy. We've got parking lots, commercial, municipal

02:25:03.658 --> 02:25:07.427
industrial roofs that available. Let's go for that

02:25:07.437 --> 02:25:12.847
Let's really be green. Let's not continue the problematic

02:25:12.957 --> 02:25:16.308
Diablo Canyon. And as others have mentioned, there

02:25:16.318 --> 02:25:21.647
are seismic hazards, there's coastal water issues and

02:25:21.658 --> 02:25:27.917
please let's do the right thing and go green. Thank

02:25:27.927 --> 02:25:29.726
you.

02:25:29.726 --> 02:25:32.197
Thank you, Leslie. I appreciate your comments today

02:25:32.526 --> 02:25:34.976
operator. Do we have anyone else in the queue to speak

02:25:36.068 --> 02:25:39.367
We have no one else online if it's fine. Thank you

02:25:39.377 --> 02:25:42.147
for that. I want to thank everyone for their participation

02:25:42.158 --> 02:25:45.328
today. If you would like to provide additional comments

02:25:45.338 --> 02:25:48.318
you may submit written comments at the following website

02:25:48.697 --> 02:25:56.548
A PPS dot CPUC dot C A dot gov, back slash C

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back slash R 2301007. If you would like assistance

02:26:03.776 --> 02:26:06.617
with providing additional comments, please contact

02:26:06.627 --> 02:26:10.457
the commission's public adviser's office at public

02:26:10.467 --> 02:26:18.137
dot advisor at CPUC dot C A dot gov. And I will

02:26:18.147 --> 02:26:20.397
now turn to Commissioner Douglas Commissioner. Do you

02:26:20.408 --> 02:26:22.246
have any comments that you wish to make at the end

02:26:22.256 --> 02:26:25.437
of today's hearing? I just briefly want to thank all

02:26:25.447 --> 02:26:28.568
of the speakers today and um appreciate all of the

02:26:28.578 --> 02:26:31.058
comments. Thank you.

02:26:31.058 --> 02:26:34.058
Thank you. Uh This concludes this afternoon's public

02:26:34.068 --> 02:26:36.788
participation hearing. We will now be off the record