WEBVTT 00:00:00.009 --> 00:00:03.379 Admin monitor dot com will begin momentarily. Thank 00:00:03.390 --> 00:00:12.759 you for your patience. 00:00:12.759 --> 00:00:15.349 Welcome to the California Public Utilities Commission 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:18.250 public Participation hearing for the potential extension 00:00:18.260 --> 00:00:21.309 of the Abel Cannon's power play and operations. Today's 00:00:21.318 --> 00:00:23.949 call is being recorded. If you have any objections 00:00:23.958 --> 00:00:26.870 you may disconnect at this time. Judge Doherty, you 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:29.179 may begin. 00:00:29.179 --> 00:00:31.908 Thank you, operator. Can the court reporters please 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:37.009 confirm they are ready to begin. Yes, I'm ready. Right 00:00:37.020 --> 00:00:40.298 Thank you. We will now be on the record. The commission 00:00:40.310 --> 00:00:45.450 will come to order. It is Tuesday, July 25th, 2023 00:00:45.750 --> 00:00:48.719 and this is the remote public participation hearing 00:00:48.829 --> 00:00:51.728 for the commission's rule making to consider the potential 00:00:51.740 --> 00:00:55.450 extension of operations at the Diablo Canyon nuclear 00:00:55.459 --> 00:01:02.639 power plant. The proceeding number is R 23-01 dash 00:01:02.649 --> 00:01:07.528 007. Please note that the audio and visual feed of 00:01:07.540 --> 00:01:11.049 this public hearing is being recorded and is accessible 00:01:11.058 --> 00:01:15.260 on the CPUC website. If you do not wish to be recorded 00:01:15.269 --> 00:01:18.879 please disconnect. Now, please also note that if you 00:01:18.888 --> 00:01:21.948 spoke at the hearing earlier today, then you will not 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:24.000 be allowed to speak this evening as you've already 00:01:24.010 --> 00:01:27.730 had a turn. My name is Patrick Doherty and I am the 00:01:27.739 --> 00:01:30.409 assistant Chief Administrative law judge assigned to 00:01:30.418 --> 00:01:34.250 this proceeding. I am presiding over this public participation 00:01:34.260 --> 00:01:37.879 hearing on behalf of Aaron Cyber, who is the administrative 00:01:37.888 --> 00:01:41.278 law judge assigned to this proceeding. I am joined 00:01:41.290 --> 00:01:43.778 by the commissioner assigned to this proceeding. Commissioner 00:01:43.790 --> 00:01:46.790 Karen Douglass, Commissioner Douglas, would you like 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:50.838 to make any opening remarks? Yes, thank you, Judge 00:01:50.849 --> 00:01:54.939 Doherty and good afternoon, everybody who's participating 00:01:54.948 --> 00:01:59.069 this evening. I'm pleased to join you today and I'm 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:02.109 looking forward to hearing your comments. It's very 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:05.680 important that as the commission performs its diligence 00:02:05.689 --> 00:02:08.679 in this proceeding that we listen to and learn from 00:02:08.689 --> 00:02:11.199 public and stakeholder perspectives that are shared 00:02:11.210 --> 00:02:15.308 with us. I appreciate you taking the time today to 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:17.569 learn more about this proceeding and to share your 00:02:17.580 --> 00:02:19.508 thoughts with us and I look forward to hearing your 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:22.368 comments. Thank you. 00:02:22.368 --> 00:02:25.500 Thank you, Commissioner. The purpose of today's hearing 00:02:25.508 --> 00:02:28.179 is for the commission to hear from members of the public 00:02:28.189 --> 00:02:30.429 about the commission's rule making to consider the 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:34.368 potential extension of operations at the Diablo Canyon 00:02:34.379 --> 00:02:38.368 Nuclear Power Plant. If you are a Pacific Gas and electric 00:02:38.379 --> 00:02:42.490 customer and have a customer specific question such 00:02:42.500 --> 00:02:46.558 as a question about your bills or service, please contact 00:02:46.569 --> 00:02:50.500 PG and E senior customer service representative, Angela 00:02:50.508 --> 00:02:58.469 Rodriguez at 4152668707. She is available during the 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:01.939 duration of this hearing to assist you. I will begin 00:03:01.949 --> 00:03:04.538 by providing some background on the California Public 00:03:04.550 --> 00:03:07.889 Utilities Commission and the commission's rule making 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:11.550 to consider the potential extension of operations at 00:03:11.558 --> 00:03:15.788 the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant if you are participating 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:18.629 today and would like to provide public comments. You 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:26.860 may do so by calling 808 571917 entering pass code 00:03:26.868 --> 00:03:36.069 176756 £7 pressing star one unm muting your phone and 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:39.240 then clearly recording your name. When prompted this 00:03:39.250 --> 00:03:42.069 will alert the operator who will begin to queue public 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:45.919 speakers. If you are a public official, please record 00:03:45.929 --> 00:03:50.308 your title and position in addition to your name. Now 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:52.508 some background on the California Public Utilities 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:56.409 Commission. The commission is comprised of five commissioners 00:03:56.419 --> 00:03:59.508 who are appointed by the Governor and confirmed by 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:03.169 the California State Senate, the assigned administrative 00:04:03.179 --> 00:04:07.058 law judge in this proceeding, Aaron Cyber manages the 00:04:07.069 --> 00:04:11.099 day to day activities of the case. The five commissioners 00:04:11.110 --> 00:04:14.899 are the ones who will decide with a vote on the potential 00:04:14.909 --> 00:04:18.088 expansion of operations at the Diablo Canyon nuclear 00:04:18.100 --> 00:04:21.937 Power plant. The role of the judge is to evaluate the 00:04:21.949 --> 00:04:25.199 evidence in the proceedings and to write a proposed 00:04:25.209 --> 00:04:29.269 decision based on that evidence. This proposed decision 00:04:29.278 --> 00:04:32.420 will then be considered by the five commissioners who 00:04:32.428 --> 00:04:35.048 will decide whether to adopt the proposed decision 00:04:35.059 --> 00:04:38.949 from the judge or to adopt their own alternate decision 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:42.329 based on the evidence in the proceedings. The current 00:04:42.338 --> 00:04:45.129 schedule for this proceeding indicates that the commission 00:04:45.139 --> 00:04:48.119 will vote on the potential extension of operations 00:04:48.559 --> 00:04:51.470 at the Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant by the end 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:55.959 of 2023. Now, I will provide a summary of the commission's 00:04:55.970 --> 00:04:58.548 rule making to consider the potential extension of 00:04:58.559 --> 00:05:02.798 operations at the Diablo Can nuclear power plant. This 00:05:02.809 --> 00:05:07.649 rule making was enacted on January 12th 2023 to implement 00:05:07.660 --> 00:05:13.338 provisions of Senate Bill or SB 8 46 requiring the 00:05:13.350 --> 00:05:16.290 commission to consider the potential extension of power 00:05:16.298 --> 00:05:20.358 plant operations at the PG and E owned and operated 00:05:20.369 --> 00:05:24.278 the Alo Canyon nuclear power plant. The Alo Canyon 00:05:24.290 --> 00:05:28.528 Units one and two are currently licensed by the US 00:05:28.540 --> 00:05:33.639 Nuclear Regulatory Commission or NRC to operate until 00:05:33.649 --> 00:05:40.189 November 2nd 2024 and August 26 2025 respectively, 00:05:40.910 --> 00:05:45.410 as directed by SD 846 the commission must consider 00:05:45.420 --> 00:05:48.869 whether to extend the Alo Canyon operations by up to 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:54.100 five years through no later than October 31st 2029 00:05:54.108 --> 00:06:00.269 for unit one and October 31st 2030 for unit two. The 00:06:00.278 --> 00:06:03.160 commission is currently considering input from the 00:06:03.170 --> 00:06:06.338 parties to the proceedings on whether operations at 00:06:06.350 --> 00:06:09.519 the Abla Canyon should be extended. What the extended 00:06:09.528 --> 00:06:13.009 operations cost, recovery mechanisms and processes 00:06:13.019 --> 00:06:17.488 should be and whether and how to allocate the associated 00:06:17.500 --> 00:06:21.579 benefits of extended operations. We are here today 00:06:21.588 --> 00:06:24.000 to receive comments from the public on these issues 00:06:24.009 --> 00:06:27.528 as well. The commissioners and the assigned administrative 00:06:27.540 --> 00:06:30.139 law judge will pay close attention to the opinions 00:06:30.149 --> 00:06:34.088 expressed during today's public hearing, a court reporter 00:06:34.100 --> 00:06:36.790 will be transcribing everything that is said today 00:06:37.170 --> 00:06:40.619 If you speak, I ask that you speak slowly and clearly 00:06:40.850 --> 00:06:43.220 so that the reporter can capture everything that is 00:06:43.230 --> 00:06:46.569 said. At the beginning of your comments, please spell 00:06:46.579 --> 00:06:49.149 your first and last name and provide your location 00:06:50.048 --> 00:06:53.199 The written transcript of today's hearing will be posted 00:06:53.209 --> 00:06:56.399 publicly on a commission webpage for this proceeding 00:06:57.338 --> 00:07:00.720 In addition to submitting oral comments today, written 00:07:00.730 --> 00:07:03.290 comments on the commission's rule making to consider 00:07:03.298 --> 00:07:06.100 the potential extension of operations at the Diablo 00:07:06.129 --> 00:07:09.569 Canyon Nuclear Power Plant may be submitted online 00:07:09.579 --> 00:07:16.350 by going to the following website A PPS dot CPUC dot 00:07:16.358 --> 00:07:28.220 C A dot gov slash C slash R 2301007. As of today 00:07:28.230 --> 00:07:32.410 we have received 84 written public comments. We will 00:07:32.420 --> 00:07:35.439 now hear from members of the public to those of you 00:07:35.449 --> 00:07:38.149 who wish to speak if you have not done so already, 00:07:38.420 --> 00:07:42.269 please press star one unmute your phone and clearly 00:07:42.278 --> 00:07:45.449 record your name. When prompted the operator will add 00:07:45.459 --> 00:07:48.730 you to the queue of speakers. If you are a public official 00:07:48.738 --> 00:07:51.608 please also record your title and position. In addition 00:07:51.619 --> 00:07:55.108 to your name, if you are not currently queued. And 00:07:55.119 --> 00:07:57.178 at any time during the session, you decide you would 00:07:57.189 --> 00:08:00.028 like to speak, the line will remain open for you to 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:03.548 join based on the number of speakers currently in the 00:08:03.559 --> 00:08:06.579 queue and to ensure everyone has the chance to provide 00:08:06.588 --> 00:08:09.629 comments. Each speaker will have a time limit of two 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:13.379 minutes a time will be sounded when the two minutes 00:08:13.389 --> 00:08:17.230 are up. A reminder to those waiting on the phone. Please 00:08:17.238 --> 00:08:20.238 speak slowly and clearly so that our quote, reporters 00:08:20.250 --> 00:08:23.699 may accurately transcribe your comments. When the operator 00:08:23.709 --> 00:08:26.509 lets you know it's your turn to speak. Please start 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:29.149 your comments by providing your full name, spelling 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:32.918 your last name and your location. We will be able to 00:08:32.928 --> 00:08:35.960 hear you best. If you speak directly into your phone 00:08:35.969 --> 00:08:39.538 or headset, please avoid having your phone on speaker 00:08:39.548 --> 00:08:42.268 When you are providing comments. Please keep comments 00:08:42.278 --> 00:08:46.090 brief and concise to ensure we can hear everyone and 00:08:46.099 --> 00:08:49.149 now with that operator, uh please let's call on the 00:08:49.158 --> 00:08:52.269 first person in the queue. 00:08:52.269 --> 00:08:55.609 Thank you. Our first public comment comes from Dr Ruth 00:08:55.619 --> 00:09:03.320 Strass. Your line is open. 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:08.129 Hello. Hi, Doctor Strass. Are you there? Yes. Can you 00:09:08.139 --> 00:09:12.080 hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Please go ahead. Ok 00:09:12.090 --> 00:09:17.798 thank you. Um So uh I um was at the hearing a 00:09:17.808 --> 00:09:22.048 couple of months ago where um I believe it was about 00:09:22.058 --> 00:09:26.269 giving rebates to people with solar. And uh I don't 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:30.330 know, let's say there were 99 people who were for giving 00:09:30.340 --> 00:09:34.639 the rebates for solar and for 44 clean energy, one 00:09:34.649 --> 00:09:39.658 person talked about a hybrid between nuclear and clean 00:09:39.668 --> 00:09:45.658 energy and the commission voted exactly against every 00:09:45.668 --> 00:09:50.379 99 people that had testified. So that really makes 00:09:50.389 --> 00:09:53.918 me wonder how much you consider the public at all. 00:09:54.288 --> 00:09:56.808 Uh, the next thing I want to say is I, and I'm 00:09:56.820 --> 00:09:59.229 sure I won't be popular but that's not, that's not 00:09:59.239 --> 00:10:03.678 the contest here. Can you see into the future? Didn't 00:10:03.690 --> 00:10:07.418 work out so well for chep. Get it. Can you know that 00:10:07.428 --> 00:10:12.070 we are not going to have an eight or nine point earthquake 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:18.779 as far as 2029 or as far as 2024. II, I don't 00:10:18.788 --> 00:10:22.149 think you can. I live every night wondering if there's 00:10:22.158 --> 00:10:26.840 going to be a big earthquake. The PG and E is not 00:10:26.849 --> 00:10:30.928 even insured for those reactors, but I think probably 00:10:30.940 --> 00:10:34.408 it would be too much to try to insure millions of people 00:10:34.418 --> 00:10:38.710 against thyroid cancer if there were a spill. I don't 00:10:38.719 --> 00:10:42.489 know when the last time that, that, that those reactors 00:10:42.500 --> 00:10:45.428 were inspected, but as far as I know it wasn't any 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:49.700 time soon, please correct me if I'm wrong or any time 00:10:49.710 --> 00:10:55.178 recently. Ok. Uh The Santa, no free pipes were. Emb 00:10:55.190 --> 00:10:59.779 Britt. We don't know. The Diablo Canyon is as I understand 00:10:59.788 --> 00:11:03.629 it, 60 years old. When was it inspected? How are the 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:09.330 pipes there? How are the cooling tanks? Um So anyway 00:11:09.340 --> 00:11:12.599 I'm sorry to say this, but voting the way you did at 00:11:12.609 --> 00:11:15.619 the last hearing does not give me any confidence that 00:11:15.629 --> 00:11:18.288 you're gonna do anything different at this hearing 00:11:18.460 --> 00:11:22.509 and leaves me no option but to think that the commission 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:25.908 is in the hands of PG and E as well as the 00:11:25.918 --> 00:11:31.529 governor, how many people have to die or be exposed 00:11:31.538 --> 00:11:36.729 to radiation for people to get it? Um Clearly, uh it's 00:11:36.739 --> 00:11:40.779 an opportune time for the film Oppenheimer to be playing 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:45.690 Um So, uh thank you. And uh I hope that this time 00:11:45.700 --> 00:11:48.960 you will actually consider what people say instead 00:11:48.969 --> 00:11:53.479 of taking 99% of what they say and discarding it. Thank 00:11:53.489 --> 00:11:58.359 you. Thank you for your comments or stress. Our next 00:11:58.369 --> 00:12:01.369 public comment comes from Patricia Levins. Your line 00:12:01.379 --> 00:12:04.908 is open. Hello, my name is Patricia Blevins. That's 00:12:04.918 --> 00:12:09.908 B like boy Lev, like Victor Ins and I live in San 00:12:09.918 --> 00:12:15.070 Jose. I'm asking the CPC to deny the extension of operations 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:19.029 for the Aged Out Diablo Canyon nuclear reactor beyond 00:12:19.038 --> 00:12:25.038 2024 2025. Further, the convicted felon PG and E cannot 00:12:25.048 --> 00:12:28.259 be given responsibility to maintain and operate this 00:12:28.269 --> 00:12:32.139 aged out nuclear reactor which is dangerously located 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:36.279 near two earthquake faults, millions of human lives 00:12:36.288 --> 00:12:40.399 and the fragile Pacific Ocean PG and E has been convicted 00:12:40.408 --> 00:12:43.408 of manslaughter and the deaths of innocent people due 00:12:43.418 --> 00:12:46.119 to PG and ES failure to maintain its long distance 00:12:46.129 --> 00:12:50.330 power lines which resulted in wildfires. And in addition 00:12:50.340 --> 00:12:53.090 the deaths resulting from PG and ES failure to maintain 00:12:53.119 --> 00:12:54.808 it. 00:12:54.808 --> 00:12:58.450 Excuse me, I just want to confirm, is Patricia still 00:12:58.460 --> 00:13:01.320 on the line or are we? I've been talking operator. 00:13:01.330 --> 00:13:04.298 Do you happen to know? I have been talking this whole 00:13:04.308 --> 00:13:09.469 time? You don't hear me? 00:13:09.469 --> 00:13:13.519 The operator as well? Pardon me? Um, I can hear you 00:13:13.609 --> 00:13:17.719 I'm here. I, I have been talking Robert telling me 00:13:17.729 --> 00:13:20.558 we lost the feed into the speakers conference. Um, 00:13:20.570 --> 00:13:22.960 I think the line dropped. So give us a minute. We're 00:13:23.529 --> 00:13:28.379 off the record. It's ok. We'll hang out. So, do I get 00:13:28.389 --> 00:13:32.808 to start over or? 00:13:32.808 --> 00:13:37.899 Hello? Hello? Is this Patricia? This is she and I have 00:13:37.908 --> 00:13:40.440 been talking. I didn't know you could not hear me. 00:13:40.950 --> 00:13:43.099 Well, I, I did, I did not know you were talking. So 00:13:43.109 --> 00:13:46.469 there we go. I've gone off the record just to, you 00:13:46.479 --> 00:13:48.450 know, allow us to have the sort of informal chat. So 00:13:48.460 --> 00:13:50.590 what I'm gonna do, uh Patricia is I'm going to go back 00:13:50.599 --> 00:13:53.119 on the record. And how about you just, you just start 00:13:53.129 --> 00:13:57.619 from the top and you'll have your two minutes and ok 00:13:57.859 --> 00:14:00.979 that sounds good. Thank you. Ok, let's be back on the 00:14:00.989 --> 00:14:04.058 record. Ok. 00:14:04.058 --> 00:14:08.019 My name is Patricia Blevins. That's B like boy Lev 00:14:08.029 --> 00:14:12.548 like Victor in si live in San Jose. I'm asking the 00:14:12.558 --> 00:14:16.239 C PC to deny the extension of operations for the aged 00:14:16.250 --> 00:14:21.609 out Diablo Canyon nuclear reactor beyond 2024 2025 00:14:21.700 --> 00:14:25.548 Further, the convicted cell in PG and cannot be given 00:14:25.558 --> 00:14:28.979 responsibility to maintain and operate this aged out 00:14:28.989 --> 00:14:31.908 nuclear reactor which is dangerously located near two 00:14:31.918 --> 00:14:34.989 earthquake faults. Millions of human lives. And the 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:39.048 fragile Pacific Ocean PG has been convicted of manslaughter 00:14:39.058 --> 00:14:41.769 and the deaths of innocent people due to pg's failure 00:14:41.779 --> 00:14:44.808 to maintain its long distance power lines which resulted 00:14:44.820 --> 00:14:48.119 in wildfires. And in addition, the deaths resulting 00:14:48.129 --> 00:14:51.609 from pg's failure to maintain its gas lines with the 00:14:51.619 --> 00:14:55.048 explosions in San Bruno, knowing that tragic history 00:14:55.058 --> 00:14:57.899 PG and cannot be given the responsibility to operate 00:14:57.908 --> 00:15:01.769 Del Canyon's aged out nuclear reactor. Does the CPC 00:15:01.779 --> 00:15:04.899 want to be responsible for the next nuclear disaster 00:15:04.918 --> 00:15:08.619 like that of Fukushima? All the power California needs 00:15:08.629 --> 00:15:11.418 can come from directed energy solar panels on every 00:15:11.428 --> 00:15:14.149 rooftop and battery storage on every building. There 00:15:14.158 --> 00:15:17.509 is no need for nuclear power and there's no need for 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:21.639 long distance power and gas lines. Thank you. Thank 00:15:21.649 --> 00:15:24.080 you very much for your comment. Operator. May we have 00:15:24.090 --> 00:15:28.139 the next caller please? Our next caller is our excuse 00:15:28.149 --> 00:15:30.690 me. Our next public comment comes from Alexander. Can 00:15:30.989 --> 00:15:34.779 your line is open? Thank you very much. Uh My name 00:15:34.788 --> 00:15:41.038 is Alexander Canara Cannar. A and I'm from El Park 00:15:41.048 --> 00:15:44.450 and a PG and E customer. Obviously, I'd like to just 00:15:44.460 --> 00:15:48.548 like to comment that people who are afraid of nuclear 00:15:48.558 --> 00:15:52.869 power really should look into the fact that around 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:56.359 the world it is the safest form of power delivery. 00:15:56.690 --> 00:16:01.649 And I would like to remind people that are worried 00:16:01.658 --> 00:16:05.038 about the Apple Kenyon, that it has its own independent 00:16:05.048 --> 00:16:08.340 safety committee that the Apple Can independent Safety 00:16:08.349 --> 00:16:11.940 committee and you can attend it meetings if you, if 00:16:11.950 --> 00:16:16.080 you wish. And PG and he has to abide by the safety 00:16:16.590 --> 00:16:20.928 structures that, that committee sets up. Other thing 00:16:20.940 --> 00:16:26.250 I want to mention is that anything in a nuclear plant 00:16:26.259 --> 00:16:29.479 the way they're made, which is relatively simple, can 00:16:29.489 --> 00:16:33.879 be replaced or repaired and there is nothing aging 00:16:33.889 --> 00:16:40.570 out underneath our, our ability to inspect. So as I 00:16:40.580 --> 00:16:45.469 said, the DC C has the, to say, well, something's going 00:16:45.479 --> 00:16:48.320 here that we would like you to correct PGE, please 00:16:48.330 --> 00:16:50.950 do that and they would have to do that. In addition 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:55.500 the NRC licenses at each plant according to uh specifications 00:16:55.509 --> 00:16:58.798 that are guaranteed to maintain the safety that, that 00:16:58.808 --> 00:17:02.889 we've had historically in the United States and actually 00:17:02.899 --> 00:17:07.068 around the world. And in terms of Devil Canyon, the 00:17:07.078 --> 00:17:11.400 world of nuclear power plant operators considers Devil 00:17:11.410 --> 00:17:14.568 Canyon a jewel in the in the world as far as its 00:17:14.578 --> 00:17:19.438 operation and and reliability. The other comment I 00:17:19.448 --> 00:17:23.048 want like to make is that uh people are unfortunately 00:17:23.057 --> 00:17:29.827 misled by what a battery can do. Uh The batteries are 00:17:29.837 --> 00:17:33.458 are not, there are two kinds of batteries and one needs 00:17:33.468 --> 00:17:37.519 to be charged. So that's the kind of rechargeable batteries 00:17:37.528 --> 00:17:42.557 that are being used now in uh utilities. And unfortunately 00:17:42.567 --> 00:17:44.557 it means that you have to allocate, you have to build 00:17:44.567 --> 00:17:50.299 new generation plants or, or, or turbines or whatever 00:17:50.459 --> 00:17:52.219 in order to charge the batteries to make sure that 00:17:52.229 --> 00:17:56.309 they're ready when you need them. In that case, a battery 00:17:56.318 --> 00:18:01.068 is actually a tax on the, on the customers for the 00:18:01.219 --> 00:18:06.289 for the utility L Cannon like all nuclear fission plants 00:18:06.299 --> 00:18:09.318 is actually a battery itself. It's a primary battery 00:18:09.328 --> 00:18:12.059 that contains all the energy it's going to deliver 00:18:12.068 --> 00:18:16.449 for four or five years in its fuel. No refueling is 00:18:16.459 --> 00:18:20.199 required, no pipelines. No, nothing coming into the 00:18:20.209 --> 00:18:24.410 plant. I'm sorry, I'm sorry to interrupt you. We are 00:18:24.479 --> 00:18:26.150 trying to keep people in two minutes so that everyone 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:29.509 has a chance to speak, but I need to. 00:18:29.509 --> 00:18:33.559 Ok. So I'm, I can be done right now if that's ok 00:18:33.858 --> 00:18:38.858 Ok. All right. Thank you. Bye. Thank you, sir. Our 00:18:38.868 --> 00:18:41.509 next public comment comes from Nina Beatty. Your line 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:43.680 is open. 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:49.689 Good evening, Nina Beatie Ninabeety and I'm in Monterey 00:18:50.118 --> 00:18:52.858 I request that you include the written evidence. I've 00:18:52.868 --> 00:18:54.969 sent the commission by mail and email including the 00:18:54.979 --> 00:18:57.699 report licensed to kill on marine animal death and 00:18:57.709 --> 00:19:00.299 the book, my Humboldt diary on Humboldt Bay nuclear 00:19:00.309 --> 00:19:03.890 plant. The canyon devastates marine life. They get 00:19:03.900 --> 00:19:06.818 sucked in by the intakes poisoned by the radiation 00:19:06.828 --> 00:19:10.000 damaged and killed by the heated water. The canyon 00:19:10.009 --> 00:19:12.828 contaminates groundwater, soil, air and ocean with 00:19:12.838 --> 00:19:16.489 dangerous tritium which is radioactive, hydrogen plutonium 00:19:16.500 --> 00:19:19.588 and other isotopes. PG E has a record of radiation 00:19:19.598 --> 00:19:23.328 leakage. In 2016. The California Lands Commission refused 00:19:23.338 --> 00:19:26.328 to require an environmental impact review of PG E operations 00:19:26.338 --> 00:19:28.989 as a condition for lease extension later that year 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:31.848 the public learned PG E had used the wrong safety engineering 00:19:31.858 --> 00:19:35.019 data for 30 years and colluded with the NRC to cover 00:19:35.029 --> 00:19:38.049 it up. PG E agreed to close the App Canyon to avoid 00:19:38.059 --> 00:19:41.049 an impact. Environmental impact review. Reactor one 00:19:41.059 --> 00:19:43.559 is emb brittle, embroiled reactor vessels can shatter 00:19:43.568 --> 00:19:46.130 like glass from an earthquake. A power shut down during 00:19:46.140 --> 00:19:49.108 refueling or if the emergency core cooling system is 00:19:49.118 --> 00:19:52.858 activated during loss of power in 2019. Though PG E 00:19:52.868 --> 00:19:55.618 requested a waiver to avoid a reactor vessel. Internal 00:19:55.630 --> 00:19:58.180 visual examination of both containment vessels, they 00:19:58.189 --> 00:20:01.969 got the waiver. PGS. Unsafe practices. Safety violations 00:20:01.979 --> 00:20:04.900 include mishandling of nuclear waste like the 19 out 00:20:04.910 --> 00:20:08.598 of 34 and properly packed spent fuel casks and 29 serious 00:20:08.608 --> 00:20:12.078 violations in 2014 alone, whistleblowers are the only 00:20:12.088 --> 00:20:15.279 safety for the public. The history of Humboldt Bay 00:20:15.289 --> 00:20:18.979 nuclear Power plant contamination and its 1970 nuclear 00:20:18.989 --> 00:20:22.380 accident are very, very important. These plants are 00:20:22.390 --> 00:20:26.019 unsafe. PG is deceiving the public. Its history of 00:20:26.029 --> 00:20:28.828 lies, neglect and destroying lives include the 92 year 00:20:28.838 --> 00:20:31.750 old campfire bolt that failed, killing people covered 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:35.449 by ABC Ten's Firepower Money Series. If Diablo Canyon 00:20:35.459 --> 00:20:38.348 fails. Agriculture in central valley, Santa Barbara 00:20:38.358 --> 00:20:41.219 and San Lubis County and even Monterey County are ruined 00:20:41.318 --> 00:20:44.239 Highway one and one quarter is destroyed and communities 00:20:44.250 --> 00:20:46.858 all around are destroyed. California would be ripped 00:20:46.868 --> 00:20:49.969 up, listen to physicians for social responsibility 00:20:49.979 --> 00:20:52.858 This is not reliable. Power, one or both reactors have 00:20:52.868 --> 00:20:55.809 been shut down 40% of the time the public pays the 00:20:55.818 --> 00:20:59.739 cost. Don't extend Diablo Canyon. It's costly and dangerous 00:20:59.750 --> 00:21:03.880 for everyone. Shut it down now. Thank you. 00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:05.939 Thank you, ma'am. I appreciate your comments today 00:21:06.318 --> 00:21:08.279 Operator, may we have the next person in the queue 00:21:08.289 --> 00:21:12.199 please? Our next public comment comes from Diane Dorigo 00:21:12.209 --> 00:21:17.400 Your line is open. Hi. And I might suggest maybe when 00:21:17.410 --> 00:21:20.170 you say the name of who's speaking. If you also said 00:21:20.180 --> 00:21:22.930 who's going to be up after that, then they'd be more 00:21:22.939 --> 00:21:27.289 ready. Um I'm Diane Dorigo. I'm with the radioactive 00:21:27.299 --> 00:21:31.449 waste project director at Nuclear Information and Resource 00:21:31.459 --> 00:21:35.160 Service. We're a national organization with many thousands 00:21:35.170 --> 00:21:39.699 of members and supporters and colleagues in California 00:21:40.380 --> 00:21:46.430 Uh It is unconscionable that the contract is being 00:21:46.439 --> 00:21:51.068 breached. The contract which was put together between 00:21:51.479 --> 00:21:56.259 public interest environmental groups, uh two unions 00:21:56.269 --> 00:22:03.049 the utility approved by the state legislature and approved 00:22:03.059 --> 00:22:08.019 I believe by CPUC. Uh that would shut these down in 00:22:08.029 --> 00:22:13.449 24 and 25. Part of the agreement was allowing them 00:22:13.459 --> 00:22:19.529 to run until 24 and 25. Um so that they would not 00:22:19.539 --> 00:22:23.578 have to do the maintenance, the deferred maintenance 00:22:23.588 --> 00:22:30.140 that had to do with safety, the cooling system would 00:22:30.150 --> 00:22:34.880 need to be revamped earthquakes. When the reactor was 00:22:34.890 --> 00:22:39.828 originally licensed, there was no provision for earthquakes 00:22:39.838 --> 00:22:42.549 and then there was some provision made. However, since 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:48.660 then, many earthquake fault lines have been identified 00:22:48.670 --> 00:22:52.539 and then identified that some are connected. So the 00:22:52.549 --> 00:22:56.640 consequences of earthquake activity could be devastating 00:22:56.939 --> 00:23:03.459 the shoreline, the Hare, the San Luis loss, some of 00:23:03.469 --> 00:23:06.709 those are connected and they're very close to the reactor 00:23:06.930 --> 00:23:13.059 and could cause a devastating damage. Uh The other 00:23:13.068 --> 00:23:18.930 thing that I've heard is that um the main power is 00:23:18.939 --> 00:23:21.739 needed from this reactor when in fact, keeping the 00:23:21.750 --> 00:23:28.680 reactors operating, it inhibits renewables. The alternative 00:23:28.689 --> 00:23:33.000 energy is already becoming available and the plan was 00:23:33.009 --> 00:23:36.848 for it to be available in 24 and 25 by keeping the 00:23:36.858 --> 00:23:43.400 reactors operating. There's inhibition on those. It's 00:23:43.410 --> 00:23:48.328 taking the resources that are needed for true climate 00:23:48.549 --> 00:23:52.539 solutions, which is the solar, the wind, the efficiency 00:23:52.890 --> 00:23:55.910 Um The environmental working group has just released 00:23:55.920 --> 00:24:01.009 a study showing that in fact, the cost could be $45 00:24:01.019 --> 00:24:04.630 billion for continuing to operate these reactors. Uh 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:08.949 That's a different story than some have told. So that 00:24:08.959 --> 00:24:13.838 is an important thing for the CPUC to fully evaluate 00:24:14.348 --> 00:24:18.459 Um And finally, I need to ask you to wrap up. Yes 00:24:18.469 --> 00:24:21.989 11 last thing is the irradiated fuel, the high level 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:25.140 waste, there's not enough storage space for all that 00:24:25.150 --> 00:24:29.118 would be created. This is deadly waste with more radioactivity 00:24:29.130 --> 00:24:32.769 than in the nuclear bombs that were dropped that are 00:24:32.779 --> 00:24:37.680 being made. Still the high level waste would potentially 00:24:37.689 --> 00:24:41.400 go to. We're hearing it would go to what are really 00:24:41.410 --> 00:24:44.939 illegal, centralized, supposedly interim storage sites 00:24:44.949 --> 00:24:48.039 in Hispanic communities in Texas and New Mexico. It's 00:24:48.049 --> 00:24:53.209 an environmental justice violation and it is irresponsible 00:24:53.219 --> 00:24:57.358 to continue to generate such intensely radioactive 00:24:57.368 --> 00:25:01.068 long lasting deadly waste when there are alternatives 00:25:01.078 --> 00:25:03.959 coming online. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for 00:25:03.969 --> 00:25:07.029 your time tonight. I appreciate it. Operator. May we 00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:10.640 have the next caller, please? Our next public comment 00:25:10.650 --> 00:25:15.939 comes from Miny Haler. Your line is open. 00:25:15.939 --> 00:25:25.549 Hello, Lindy Hatcher Lindyhatch. Er, speaking on behalf 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:28.318 of the Home Builders Association of the central coast 00:25:28.430 --> 00:25:31.680 I'm calling in support of the extension of PG and E 00:25:31.939 --> 00:25:35.265 Diablo Canyon power Plant with the state moving toward 00:25:35.275 --> 00:25:38.684 electric homes, electric appliances and cars. It would 00:25:38.693 --> 00:25:42.644 be irresponsible to remove 9% of the state's electricity 00:25:42.654 --> 00:25:47.164 generated by diablo prior to ensuring the electrical 00:25:47.174 --> 00:25:51.818 grid can sustain these demands. Thank you. Thank you 00:25:51.828 --> 00:25:54.348 for your comment. I appreciate it. Operator. May we 00:25:54.358 --> 00:25:57.049 have the next comment, please? 00:25:57.049 --> 00:26:00.029 Thank you. Our next public comment comes from Robin 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:08.009 Gilbert. Your line is open. Yes, Robin Robin Gilbert 00:26:08.019 --> 00:26:17.358 Gilbe RT. I live in Los Angeles. I'm uh calling to 00:26:17.368 --> 00:26:23.410 uh urge that we do not extend the license for Diablo 00:26:23.420 --> 00:26:30.130 Canyon Nuclear Power Plant. My big concern is the storage 00:26:30.140 --> 00:26:37.269 the storage of the toxic waste and I don't think it 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:44.160 can be stored safely. I do not have 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:48.880 I I am not, I am convinced that around the world, none 00:26:48.890 --> 00:26:52.920 of the toxic waste can be stored safely. Humans do 00:26:52.930 --> 00:26:58.900 not have a good history of being able to maintain buildings 00:26:59.900 --> 00:27:05.818 and facilities for thousands of years. 00:27:05.818 --> 00:27:13.729 We can't do it. 00:27:13.729 --> 00:27:16.108 Thank you, Robin. Did you have any other comments for 00:27:16.118 --> 00:27:19.199 us tonight? 00:27:19.199 --> 00:27:22.709 Thank you very much. I appreciate your comment operator 00:27:22.719 --> 00:27:26.420 May we have the next caller, please? Our next public 00:27:26.430 --> 00:27:31.818 comment comes from John. Your line is open. Thank you 00:27:31.828 --> 00:27:34.000 very much. I hope you can hear me. My name is John 00:27:34.328 --> 00:27:36.459 I'm the chairman of the Board of Supervisors at San 00:27:36.469 --> 00:27:40.328 Luis Epo County. I'm calling today to urge you to move 00:27:40.338 --> 00:27:44.549 forward with keeping Diablo in the extension. Um County 00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:47.078 employs approximately 1200 employees who live in our 00:27:47.088 --> 00:27:50.000 communities. Their Children go to our schools, their 00:27:50.009 --> 00:27:53.039 spouses also work in businesses and they contribute 00:27:53.049 --> 00:27:56.410 greatly to the fabric, fabric of our community. But 00:27:56.420 --> 00:27:59.739 more importantly, the Alo Canyon does produce about 00:27:59.750 --> 00:28:03.430 18,000 gigawatt hours of electricity annually, which 00:28:03.439 --> 00:28:07.500 is about 9% of California's in state generation. Its 00:28:07.509 --> 00:28:10.459 base load power sustains us through good and bad weather 00:28:10.469 --> 00:28:13.239 especially through hot summer months, just like today 00:28:13.250 --> 00:28:17.608 where I'm in Pasa Ros right now at 108 degrees. So 00:28:17.618 --> 00:28:21.670 I would ask you if Diao Canyon is a safe and clean 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:25.670 and vital energy source for our state and our communities 00:28:25.719 --> 00:28:29.068 And I'd ask that you please join and keep it so we 00:28:29.078 --> 00:28:32.809 can keep, keep it safe operation going and keep enjoying 00:28:32.818 --> 00:28:35.858 the clean energy that Diablo Canyon provides. Thank 00:28:35.868 --> 00:28:39.618 you for your time. Thank you. I appreciate your comments 00:28:40.500 --> 00:28:44.189 operator. May we have the next caller please. 00:28:44.189 --> 00:28:47.328 Our next public comment comes from Doris Boulder. Nas 00:28:47.910 --> 00:28:51.259 your line is open. 00:28:51.259 --> 00:28:53.868 Hello there. Thank you so much for this opportunity 00:28:53.949 --> 00:28:59.529 Uh Doris spelled Dorifff like Frank Uld, like Doris 00:28:59.539 --> 00:29:05.529 er and Nas N like Nancy, A double S like Sally Iry 00:29:05.539 --> 00:29:09.078 and I'm in Berkeley. I've been a long, long time member 00:29:09.088 --> 00:29:12.219 of various anti nuclear organizations, peace organizations 00:29:12.650 --> 00:29:15.789 I'm a proud, constructive activist. That's how I see 00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:19.410 myself. And first I want to tell you, I'm grateful 00:29:19.420 --> 00:29:21.699 that we are that you're giving us this opportunity 00:29:21.709 --> 00:29:24.118 and that you are respecting the principle of due diligence 00:29:24.130 --> 00:29:28.309 I think that is absolutely essential. Um I am totally 00:29:28.318 --> 00:29:32.439 in favor of Decommissioning the Canon as soon as possible 00:29:33.309 --> 00:29:37.588 Um And this is such a historic event to, to be able 00:29:37.598 --> 00:29:39.989 to speak like this, this is, this is really, this is 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:43.368 really major and, and uh what can I say? It confirms 00:29:43.380 --> 00:29:46.650 that we do live in an open democratic society. So there 00:29:46.660 --> 00:29:49.568 are a couple of major points. I want to make one the 00:29:49.578 --> 00:29:52.858 precautionary principle I think really applies in this 00:29:52.868 --> 00:29:56.759 situation. And you know how Children sometimes say 00:29:56.769 --> 00:29:59.328 we should have known better or maybe parents themselves 00:29:59.338 --> 00:30:02.199 say we should have known better. Um Well, guess what 00:30:02.209 --> 00:30:05.779 we do know better. And what we know is that based on 00:30:05.789 --> 00:30:08.309 scientific research that's been happening, including 00:30:08.318 --> 00:30:15.019 by NRN Irs and, and EWG and Cr Club, et cetera. They 00:30:15.029 --> 00:30:17.818 are the scientists. I am an advocate I'm not a scientist 00:30:17.828 --> 00:30:20.400 but I believe their research has pretty much confirmed 00:30:20.410 --> 00:30:23.779 It is an accident waiting to happen. So, what I would 00:30:23.789 --> 00:30:27.920 like to say is instead of crisis management, if God 00:30:27.930 --> 00:30:32.949 forbid the plant does have a meltdown, um wouldn't 00:30:32.959 --> 00:30:35.949 it be better to say we're contingency planners rather 00:30:35.959 --> 00:30:39.390 than crisis managers? And the final point I'd like 00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:47.439 to make is um the whole idea of uh trying to prove 00:30:47.449 --> 00:30:51.328 uh its safety or it's non safety. It's like everything 00:30:51.338 --> 00:30:54.269 ages and this is definitely aging in place. You've 00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:57.838 heard that expression and it's aging in place and putting 00:30:57.939 --> 00:31:00.660 millions of people at risk. All those families who 00:31:00.670 --> 00:31:03.170 work for the and bless them, bless their families. 00:31:03.180 --> 00:31:09.489 I wish them long lives. Thank you very much. 00:31:09.489 --> 00:31:13.000 Thank you, Doris. I appreciate your comment operator 00:31:13.009 --> 00:31:15.608 May we have the next person in the queue, please? Our 00:31:15.618 --> 00:31:19.858 next public comment comes from Adrian. Adrian and Davis 00:31:19.868 --> 00:31:24.959 Your line is open. Thank you. Do you hear me? Yes, 00:31:24.969 --> 00:31:29.259 we can hear you. Great. My name is Adrianne Davis. 00:31:29.269 --> 00:31:35.130 Davis. I'm a resident of Santa Barbara and I have been 00:31:35.140 --> 00:31:39.719 a neighbor to Diablo since 1984. The question as to 00:31:39.729 --> 00:31:44.209 whether to re license the Kenya nuclear plant for further 00:31:44.219 --> 00:31:48.420 operation is not unlike Hamlet's brooding question 00:31:48.489 --> 00:31:52.939 to be or not to be. It was a suicidal contemplation 00:31:52.949 --> 00:31:58.328 as it is certainly here. My statement does not raise 00:31:58.338 --> 00:32:01.930 any new issues already mentioned for years in this 00:32:01.939 --> 00:32:07.489 exasperating debate. It has gone long enough if diablo 00:32:07.500 --> 00:32:10.430 wasn't meant to be right from its beginning. It is 00:32:10.439 --> 00:32:16.848 Now this plant is done and now over toasted brittle 00:32:16.858 --> 00:32:20.430 and even greater dangerous anachronism. It becomes 00:32:20.439 --> 00:32:25.848 more so with a new relicensing no ridiculous amount 00:32:25.939 --> 00:32:29.670 of the people's state funds is going to put Humpty 00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:33.430 Dumpty back together again. It's still a shaky bomb 00:32:34.199 --> 00:32:38.108 Instead, all those who want to revive this devil puts 00:32:38.118 --> 00:32:41.588 all of us in jeopardy of sickness and death. Long term 00:32:41.598 --> 00:32:46.920 maybe forever tsunamis, earthquakes and terrorist attacks 00:32:46.930 --> 00:32:52.239 are all outside the realm of control. Diablo must not 00:32:52.250 --> 00:32:57.348 be opened reopened for a day. It must be decommissioned 00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:03.039 Any suggested budget to rebuild Diablo for considered 00:33:03.049 --> 00:33:06.670 use must be utilized instead to recycle the plant, 00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:10.608 bury it and the land put back to a near original state 00:33:11.299 --> 00:33:16.588 Diablo is a truly lethal dinosaur. It is threatening 00:33:16.598 --> 00:33:20.598 the health of my young family in Santa Barbara with 00:33:20.608 --> 00:33:26.489 an easy downwind pathway of poison question. Where 00:33:26.500 --> 00:33:31.900 are your families? Care? Get a grip. Ladies and gentlemen 00:33:31.910 --> 00:33:35.469 you are not gods but susceptible humans like the rest 00:33:35.479 --> 00:33:39.500 of us use your skills to participate in a green energy 00:33:39.509 --> 00:33:44.098 present and future. You will be glad you did. Please 00:33:44.250 --> 00:33:51.170 CPUC deny this option. Thank you. Thank you, Adrian 00:33:51.180 --> 00:33:54.459 I appreciate your comments today. Operator. May we 00:33:54.469 --> 00:33:57.420 have the next person in the future? Our next public 00:33:57.430 --> 00:34:02.439 comment comes from Chris Coy. Your line is open. 00:34:02.439 --> 00:34:09.340 Hi, my name is Chris Hubby. Krishubby I'm calling today 00:34:09.349 --> 00:34:15.329 because I wanted to urge to support extending the Canyon 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:18.989 nuclear power plants, 00:34:18.989 --> 00:34:22.208 nuclear powers, our greenest and safest source of energy 00:34:22.219 --> 00:34:27.360 we have and considering shutting it down in a climate 00:34:27.369 --> 00:34:31.929 change emergency that we have today is unconscionable 00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:35.648 It doesn't make any sense. We should be building more 00:34:35.659 --> 00:34:39.809 nuclear power, not shutting it down for sources that 00:34:40.179 --> 00:34:43.510 effectively 00:34:43.510 --> 00:34:47.438 increase our carbon emissions and increase our environmental 00:34:47.449 --> 00:34:53.159 impact. Uh Please extend the Outlook Canyon. Thank 00:34:53.168 --> 00:34:56.750 you very much. Thank you, Chris. I appreciate your 00:34:56.760 --> 00:35:00.208 comment. Uh Operator, may we have the next person in 00:35:00.219 --> 00:35:03.208 the queue, please? Our next public comment comes from 00:35:03.219 --> 00:35:07.579 John Clemons. Your line is open. Hi, this is John. 00:35:07.590 --> 00:35:10.369 Can you hear me? Yes, John, we can hear you. Please 00:35:10.378 --> 00:35:15.789 go ahead. Uh My name is John Clements Johnclements 00:35:16.099 --> 00:35:20.949 Um I live in San Luis Bispo California and I'm calling 00:35:20.958 --> 00:35:26.148 because um I'm very privileged to have been able to 00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:30.869 be very close to the, the Apple Canyon nuclear power 00:35:30.878 --> 00:35:35.489 plant. I've gone within like half a mile of it. Uh 00:35:35.500 --> 00:35:39.050 Out at sea is a beautiful section of the coastline 00:35:39.329 --> 00:35:43.929 and um it's really a shame that it has to be reserved 00:35:43.938 --> 00:35:48.918 for one power plant that generates only 9% of the power 00:35:48.929 --> 00:35:52.628 in California. Um I would also like to bring attention 00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:55.760 to something that's currently going on. The Chumash 00:35:56.070 --> 00:36:01.148 people who numbered between 2000 to 5000 in the entirety 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:06.188 of the San Elizabeth and Santa Barbara county um got 00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:10.789 a hold of the government and were able to get some 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.070 of the rocks that were quarried from Mara Rock and 00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:17.110 brought down to create Port ST Louis. They are now 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:20.070 getting the federal government to move those rocks 00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:25.898 back to Mara Rock. And so I asked this, how is it 00:36:25.909 --> 00:36:29.628 that a people who had no documented opposition to the 00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:34.050 construction of this now have complete control of moving 00:36:34.059 --> 00:36:37.769 rocks from one place to another. When there was over 00:36:37.780 --> 00:36:43.539 1900 arrests made protesting the construction of the 00:36:43.550 --> 00:36:46.699 dia can nuclear power plant. And yet there's almost 00:36:46.708 --> 00:36:52.639 no question uh between the woke that we should continue 00:36:52.648 --> 00:36:57.648 to fund and support the Canon. I ask you this. Where 00:36:57.659 --> 00:37:00.389 do the natives stand? Where do the Chuma stand? They've 00:37:00.398 --> 00:37:02.929 made it very clear that they do not like any form of 00:37:02.938 --> 00:37:06.530 development. We're moving rocks right now, literally 00:37:06.539 --> 00:37:09.539 up and down the coast just to appease them. Have we 00:37:09.550 --> 00:37:12.668 not considered what they might think about this anyway 00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:16.679 Consider the natives. I yield my time. Thank you John 00:37:16.909 --> 00:37:20.219 I appreciate your comments tonight. Operator. May we 00:37:20.228 --> 00:37:23.329 have the next person in the queue, please? Our next 00:37:23.340 --> 00:37:26.728 public comment comes from Paris Ortiz Line is open 00:37:28.128 --> 00:37:34.559 Great. Hi, it's Paris or Line O Rt Izwines and I'm 00:37:34.570 --> 00:37:38.929 from Galia, California. So as a deli local, proud neighbor 00:37:38.938 --> 00:37:41.208 of Diablo and the global organizer of stand up for 00:37:41.219 --> 00:37:44.289 nuclear, a global initiative, advocating for the protection 00:37:44.300 --> 00:37:48.289 and expansion of nuclear energy. Although some of them 00:37:48.300 --> 00:37:51.958 expressed concerns about fault lines and safety. The 00:37:51.969 --> 00:37:54.599 multiple studies done on the plant safety and its infrastructure 00:37:54.610 --> 00:37:57.489 are publicly available and I encourage all to read 00:37:57.500 --> 00:38:00.340 them. 00:38:00.340 --> 00:38:02.949 California has the second highest electricity prices 00:38:02.958 --> 00:38:06.289 in the nation and still imports 30% of its electricity 00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:09.228 needs from across the state line. Both claiming that 00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:13.219 we can ensure a clean and just energy transition with 00:38:13.228 --> 00:38:15.909 only renewables and batteries are subjugating citizens 00:38:15.918 --> 00:38:19.550 to a future of energy austerity. It is an environmental 00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:22.978 and social injustice to shut a vital non emitting energy 00:38:22.989 --> 00:38:27.760 infrastructure is not a liability but a multigenerational 00:38:27.769 --> 00:38:31.418 clean energy asset for my international work and my 00:38:31.429 --> 00:38:34.228 personal relationships with workers at Diablo Canyon 00:38:34.389 --> 00:38:37.079 It is clear that nuclear energy demands the very best 00:38:37.090 --> 00:38:40.260 from people and for over 60 years, the United States 00:38:40.269 --> 00:38:43.110 has been harnessing the power of the atom, basically 00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:46.550 managing the spent fuel and has been producing reliable 00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:50.208 clean power, avoiding millions of tons of co two emissions 00:38:50.228 --> 00:38:52.760 Please do everything in your power to extend Diablo 00:38:52.769 --> 00:38:56.610 Canyon for a minimum of five years. It is a plant that 00:38:56.619 --> 00:38:59.699 was built up, right for at least 40 more. Thank you 00:39:00.918 --> 00:39:04.289 if your purse. Appreciate your comments. Operator. 00:39:04.300 --> 00:39:08.000 May we have the next color in the key? Our next public 00:39:08.010 --> 00:39:12.679 comment comes from Pat C Dr. Your line is open. 00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:22.648 Thank you. I'm Patsy Patsy Dredger Driedg. Er Please 00:39:22.659 --> 00:39:27.668 do not extend the operation of Diablo Canyon Nuclear 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:32.070 Power plant, the money that will be invested in that 00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:35.840 procedure, even for just five years should be better 00:39:35.849 --> 00:39:42.030 used into resources and researching those resources 00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:48.289 from green power such as solar wind and hydro and other 00:39:48.300 --> 00:39:51.869 choices that are coming up around the world. We do 00:39:51.878 --> 00:39:56.300 not want to live near those spent nuclear rods when 00:39:56.309 --> 00:39:59.199 they come out of there and I don't want to live near 00:39:59.208 --> 00:40:01.840 them when they're active in there either. Thank you 00:40:01.849 --> 00:40:04.929 so much for listening. 00:40:04.929 --> 00:40:08.478 Thank you. I appreciate your comments. Operator. May 00:40:08.489 --> 00:40:11.668 we have the next person in the? 00:40:11.668 --> 00:40:14.539 Our next public comment comes from Jessica Tobar. Your 00:40:14.550 --> 00:40:17.559 line is open. 00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:20.869 Hi, everyone. Jessica. I work with the local Clean 00:40:20.878 --> 00:40:23.530 Energy Alliance. Also the coordinator of the East Bay 00:40:23.539 --> 00:40:28.099 Clean Power Alliance. I have many concerns on an opposition 00:40:28.110 --> 00:40:31.780 of extending the life of the Divo Canyon plant. First 00:40:31.789 --> 00:40:36.269 and foremost, it's gonna cost ratepayers $45 billion 00:40:36.409 --> 00:40:40.269 Um I also want to highlight that the life span of a 00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:44.449 nuclear power plant is somewhere between 2040 years 00:40:44.659 --> 00:40:49.760 They're at about 38 years and you're pretty much um 00:40:49.829 --> 00:40:52.780 gonna extend the life of the power plant, putting both 00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:56.458 co workers and the fence line communities and the community 00:40:56.469 --> 00:41:00.829 downwind in danger. This is absolutely something you 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:05.550 should not be doing. Um I want to highlight again that 00:41:05.860 --> 00:41:09.320 the power plant, I'm, I'm aware that one of the units 00:41:09.329 --> 00:41:13.398 has failed and had to be fixed. And again, that cost 00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:17.559 hundreds of millions of dollars to fix. Guess who pays 00:41:17.570 --> 00:41:21.438 for all of this. We actually end up subsidizing this 00:41:21.449 --> 00:41:26.119 this money pit of a power plant that has already lived 00:41:26.128 --> 00:41:31.789 its life and is now time to decommission. Other issues 00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:35.668 that I have is PG and E track record. They operate 00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:39.628 in gross negligence, decimate communities and kill 00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:43.059 people. We should not be giving them an additional 00:41:43.070 --> 00:41:47.010 license to put people's lives on the line. Now is the 00:41:47.019 --> 00:41:51.550 time to shut down the Canyon nuclear power plant. Thank 00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:53.398 you. 00:41:53.398 --> 00:41:56.898 Thank you, Jessica. I appreciate your comments. Operator 00:41:56.909 --> 00:41:59.929 May we have the next caller, please? Our next public 00:41:59.938 --> 00:42:04.719 comment comes from John Kim. Your line is open. 00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:10.030 Hello. Uh My name is John Kim. Johnkim. I'm a private 00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:12.929 citizen living in Santa Clara. I'm speaking in favor 00:42:12.938 --> 00:42:16.059 of extending the use of Diablo Canyon as a father and 00:42:16.070 --> 00:42:19.050 stepfather. I want to save the earth for future generations 00:42:19.250 --> 00:42:22.478 and by any objective scientific measure, nuclear power 00:42:22.489 --> 00:42:25.329 in general and specifically in California is a proven 00:42:25.340 --> 00:42:28.409 technology over decades with an incredibly successful 00:42:28.418 --> 00:42:33.030 safety rate far safer than fossil fuels or batteries 00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:37.809 And anti nuclear and anti science activism has consistently 00:42:37.820 --> 00:42:40.668 ignored the mainstream science and the history of ignoring 00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:42.969 mainstream science is exactly what has put humanity 00:42:42.978 --> 00:42:47.708 at risk from anthropogenic global warming. Internationally 00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:50.099 We've seen what happened when Germany shut down its 00:42:50.110 --> 00:42:53.699 nuclear plants quickly first, as part of their Green 00:42:53.708 --> 00:42:56.938 energy program, their co two emissions have risen despite 00:42:56.949 --> 00:43:01.148 massive investment in solar and wind. And to Robin's 00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:04.639 comment earlier about nuclear waste, nuclear waste 00:43:04.648 --> 00:43:08.938 is the best handled toxic waste in the world and where 00:43:08.949 --> 00:43:11.530 whereas nuclear waste for the last hundreds of years 00:43:11.539 --> 00:43:14.969 is handled very carefully, paradoxically toxic waste 00:43:14.978 --> 00:43:17.809 that lasts forever like cadmium lead and mercury often 00:43:17.820 --> 00:43:21.148 which come with from other from other power sources 00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:24.639 including solar is handled more casually than nuclear 00:43:24.648 --> 00:43:28.639 waste which decays if we had a policy based on objective 00:43:28.648 --> 00:43:31.628 impact on the environment and human health, we would 00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:36.280 have evacuated Los Angeles long before long before 00:43:36.289 --> 00:43:40.780 this because the impact of fossil fuels is enormous 00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:44.110 The damage is being done. Now, we need to get off fossil 00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:47.159 fuels immediately shutting down clean energy in the 00:43:47.168 --> 00:43:52.500 form of Diablo Canyon is ignoring the elephant in the 00:43:52.510 --> 00:43:57.019 room. We need all of solar wind and nuclear. Thank 00:43:57.030 --> 00:44:01.619 you. Thank you, John. I appreciate your comments. Operator 00:44:01.628 --> 00:44:05.119 May we have the next uh caller please? Our next public 00:44:05.128 --> 00:44:07.949 comment comes from Jennifer Clay. Your line is open 00:44:09.570 --> 00:44:14.418 Yes. Hi. Thank you. Uh My name is Jennifer Clay Klay 00:44:14.530 --> 00:44:18.269 and I'm a resident of San Luis Obispo, a nuclear physicist 00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:20.590 professor and chair of the physics department at Cal 00:44:20.820 --> 00:44:24.500 Poly. I'm also an environmentalist and a strong advocate 00:44:24.510 --> 00:44:27.418 of practical and realistic solutions to reduce our 00:44:27.429 --> 00:44:31.378 carbon emissions. I am proud to live so close to the 00:44:31.550 --> 00:44:34.728 Yalu Canyon. California's single largest source of 00:44:34.739 --> 00:44:38.958 low carbon electricity with the passage of SB 8 46 00:44:38.969 --> 00:44:42.699 last September, the governor and the legislature rightly 00:44:42.708 --> 00:44:46.228 recognized the importance of Diablo Canyon to ensuring 00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:49.409 our state's energy security and meeting our carbon 00:44:49.418 --> 00:44:53.949 emission reduction goals. I regularly analyze the electric 00:44:53.958 --> 00:44:56.898 generation and carbon emission data presented by the 00:44:56.909 --> 00:44:59.969 California independent system operator on their website 00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:04.030 Unfortunately, California still relies too heavily 00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:07.780 on natural gas and imported electricity with high carbon 00:45:07.789 --> 00:45:11.000 emissions. The evidence presented by the California 00:45:11.010 --> 00:45:14.079 Energy Commission and the independent system operator 00:45:14.090 --> 00:45:18.610 in support of SB 8 46 showed that our state needs Diablo 00:45:18.809 --> 00:45:23.599 Canyon's 2200 megawatts of steady low carbon generation 00:45:23.659 --> 00:45:27.519 not just until 2030 but until we can wean ourselves 00:45:27.530 --> 00:45:31.659 completely off of fossil fuel electricity. Diablo Canyon 00:45:31.668 --> 00:45:34.809 has already built infrastructure that has operated 00:45:34.820 --> 00:45:38.110 safely and efficiently for over 30 years and it could 00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:42.090 easily do so for at least 30 more. I fully support 00:45:42.099 --> 00:45:45.148 the continued operation of Diablo Canyon because there 00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:48.489 is abundant evidence that nuclear energy is the cleanest 00:45:48.500 --> 00:45:51.849 safest, cheapest and most reliable replacement for 00:45:51.860 --> 00:45:55.418 fossil fuels. We need to keep Diablo Canyon running 00:45:55.429 --> 00:45:58.938 and I hope the CPUC will do all that is necessary to 00:45:58.949 --> 00:46:01.559 ensure that operations are extended for as long as 00:46:01.570 --> 00:46:05.679 possible. Thank you. Thank you, Jennifer. I appreciate 00:46:05.688 --> 00:46:08.739 your comments, operator. May we have the next color 00:46:08.750 --> 00:46:12.659 please? Our next public comment comes from Bill Ali 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:16.300 Your line is open. 00:46:16.300 --> 00:46:20.909 Good evening. I am Bill AO spelled Bill. Last name 00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:25.829 A Llayaud. I am with the environmental working group 00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:29.349 in Sacramento. And I appreciate the PC holding both 00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:32.228 an afternoon and evening session for the public. Thank 00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:35.469 you very much. The legislature intended on a five year 00:46:35.478 --> 00:46:39.648 extension for PG and E but the utility own statements 00:46:40.030 --> 00:46:43.139 from them, you can envision them operating well beyond 00:46:43.148 --> 00:46:46.519 that if they can. In fact, they're asking for a 20 00:46:46.530 --> 00:46:49.559 year extension of their current license before the 00:46:49.570 --> 00:46:53.070 nuclear regulatory commission. As others have testified 00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:55.739 in the afternoon session, it has become clear that 00:46:55.750 --> 00:47:00.059 we can keep the lights on without diablo. We did that 00:47:00.070 --> 00:47:04.280 last year using the solar arrays, industrial utility 00:47:04.289 --> 00:47:08.340 size and solar rooftop with batteries. We could have 00:47:08.349 --> 00:47:11.688 done it probably in 2020 but for inexplicable reasons 00:47:11.699 --> 00:47:15.760 other than they say a software glitch, the iso allowed 00:47:15.769 --> 00:47:19.199 allowed energy to be exported out of California when 00:47:19.208 --> 00:47:22.059 we were having rolling blackouts. So there's an iso 00:47:22.070 --> 00:47:25.539 problem associated with this whole issue too. People 00:47:25.550 --> 00:47:29.099 keep testifying that nuclear power plants are safe 00:47:29.110 --> 00:47:32.639 all over the world. But how many are located on major 00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:37.300 or next minor and possibly moving earthquake faults 00:47:37.398 --> 00:47:41.510 How many are having entrainment into the ocean affecting 00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:45.909 life, wildlife and how many have a poor operating record 00:47:45.918 --> 00:47:48.309 is this plant has been shut down over and over again 00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:53.530 Portions of it for maintenance and people have mentioned 00:47:53.539 --> 00:47:57.128 that EWG did publish a new report about the ongoing 00:47:57.139 --> 00:48:00.579 costs and we estimate it to be much higher than the 00:48:00.590 --> 00:48:05.929 report done by Stanford and I which was backed by organizations 00:48:05.938 --> 00:48:09.458 that backed the nuclear industry and growth of that 00:48:09.809 --> 00:48:14.579 We find with fees taxes, uh natural gas. It's complicated 00:48:14.590 --> 00:48:18.070 We urge you to look at it. We have entered that into 00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:21.590 the public record with the safety concerns due to aging 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:25.188 components, threats of substantial earthquakes, the 00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:28.438 one through cooling and the growth of solar and batteries 00:48:28.780 --> 00:48:32.619 We think it's time to allow this plant to be retired 00:48:32.628 --> 00:48:38.239 and go all in on renewables. Thank you very much. 00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:41.780 Thank you, Bill. I appreciate your comments. O may 00:48:41.789 --> 00:48:45.000 we have the next column, please? Our next public comment 00:48:45.010 --> 00:48:49.469 comes from John Miles. Your line is open. My name is 00:48:49.478 --> 00:48:56.239 John MS Johnm. I les I live in Santa Ana, California 00:48:57.019 --> 00:49:01.269 Diablo Canyon. Decades old and weakened by years of 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:04.829 deferred. Maintenance is a disaster waiting to happen 00:49:04.958 --> 00:49:08.769 A terrible, terrible disaster. The plant is surrounded 00:49:08.780 --> 00:49:12.429 on all sides by faults capable of producing an earthquake 00:49:12.438 --> 00:49:16.719 far stronger than it can handle. Meanwhile, its output 00:49:16.728 --> 00:49:20.909 is not needed to guarantee energy for California. Existing 00:49:20.918 --> 00:49:24.849 procurement and storage are more than enough worse 00:49:24.860 --> 00:49:28.539 because its output cannot be adjusted. Current, lower 00:49:28.550 --> 00:49:32.969 cost, wind and solar have to be frequently turned off 00:49:32.978 --> 00:49:36.878 so that the upload can be kept on life support. Gavin 00:49:36.889 --> 00:49:40.039 Newsom made a big, big mistake when he shredded the 00:49:40.050 --> 00:49:45.918 2016 agreement to shutter diablo by 2025. This in the 00:49:45.929 --> 00:49:49.739 final hours of the legislative session. If the worst 00:49:49.750 --> 00:49:55.840 happens the worst will be CP C's legacy for all time 00:49:56.188 --> 00:49:58.559 Thank you. 00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:02.030 Thank you, John. I appreciate your comments. Operator 00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:05.340 May we have the next caller, please? Our next public 00:50:05.349 --> 00:50:11.280 comment comes from Geo Nunes. Your line is open. 00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:15.139 Good afternoon. My name is Guido Nunez. I live in San 00:50:15.148 --> 00:50:19.949 Francisco. I'm a data scientist. Uh I, I am an immigrant 00:50:20.648 --> 00:50:24.769 and I want to commend that the A canyon must remain 00:50:24.780 --> 00:50:28.309 open as long as possible. Right now, there are wildfires 00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:31.800 going on in Greece and Italy record temperatures. Phoenix 00:50:31.809 --> 00:50:36.599 underwent 25 days of temperatures over 110 degrees 00:50:36.610 --> 00:50:39.458 and it's not even August climate change is real. It 00:50:39.469 --> 00:50:42.478 is a true emergency and we should not be discussing 00:50:43.250 --> 00:50:45.668 how to close the Alo Canyon. We should be discussing 00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:48.309 how to tackle it, how to reduce our emissions, not 00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:50.570 wanting to shut down the largest non carbon source 00:50:50.579 --> 00:50:53.978 of electricity in our state. We are attempting to follow 00:50:53.989 --> 00:50:57.619 the steps of Germany. Germany spent $600 billion in 00:50:57.628 --> 00:51:00.478 solar and wind power and it still has incredibly high 00:51:00.489 --> 00:51:03.010 emissions much higher than neighboring France knowing 00:51:03.019 --> 00:51:05.550 that they continue building new coal plants and raising 00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:08.349 villages to mine more coal. And after the Ukraine War 00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:10.938 they are planning even pipelines to get African gas 00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:13.978 right now, Germany is entering into a recession because 00:51:13.989 --> 00:51:17.719 they were way too dependent on fossil fuels rather 00:51:17.728 --> 00:51:20.864 than upsetting. You know, we need to ask ourselves 00:51:20.875 --> 00:51:23.603 why Los Angeles is getting its power from a coal plant 00:51:23.614 --> 00:51:26.744 in Utah. Why the natural gas plant on the beach continues 00:51:26.753 --> 00:51:29.744 polluting the air killing people and making Children 00:51:29.753 --> 00:51:32.094 sick. This is not hypothetical. This is happening right 00:51:32.103 --> 00:51:34.824 now. While we're discussing all these hypothetical 00:51:34.833 --> 00:51:38.614 chicken, little risk about low carri if people really 00:51:38.625 --> 00:51:42.313 want to help Hispanic communities, my, my people, they 00:51:42.324 --> 00:51:44.764 need to start shutting down fossil fuel plants. Not 00:51:44.773 --> 00:51:47.918 the car. Thank you very much. 00:51:47.918 --> 00:51:55.079 Thank you too. I appreciate it. 00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:58.780 Ok, let's be back on the record. Uh Operator. Uh Can 00:51:58.789 --> 00:52:02.208 we have the next color, please? Our next public comment 00:52:02.219 --> 00:52:06.708 comes from Gale. Your line is open. 00:52:06.708 --> 00:52:11.228 Hello. Can you hear me as in a coffee shop? Let's be 00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:14.489 off the record for a moment. Uh Gerald, we can hear 00:52:14.500 --> 00:52:16.648 you but, but there is enough background noise that 00:52:16.659 --> 00:52:20.969 I'm worried. Why don't you come back to me when people 00:52:20.978 --> 00:52:27.449 get away? 00:52:27.449 --> 00:52:31.019 You have to join us back. OK. 00:52:31.019 --> 00:52:34.849 Thank you. Uh uh Operator. Is it possible for you to 00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:38.668 call on Jarre and say about two turns from now to give 00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:42.000 her five minutes? 00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:46.228 I'd be happy. OK. Yeah, if you don't mind, uh I, I 00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:47.898 don't want her to go all the way back to the queue 00:52:47.909 --> 00:52:51.349 if she's trying to deal with the situation. Uh OK. 00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:53.500 So let me go, let me go back on the record and 00:52:53.510 --> 00:52:55.590 then operator I'll call on you for the next person 00:52:55.978 --> 00:52:58.878 Let's be back on the record. Uh Operator will you please 00:52:58.889 --> 00:53:02.159 call on the next person in the queue? Uh Our next uh 00:53:02.168 --> 00:53:05.648 public comment comes from Paula or your line is open 00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:12.789 Um 00:53:12.789 --> 00:53:17.789 Hello, Paula. Are you there? Are you with us? 00:53:17.789 --> 00:53:21.389 End of the line is still there? 00:53:21.389 --> 00:53:24.590 She might have disconnected. Her line is open if you 00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:28.300 want. I can, we can go back to her also. Hello? Oh 00:53:28.809 --> 00:53:33.050 there we go. Oh, yes, sorry about that. Uh Yes, my 00:53:33.059 --> 00:53:41.099 name is Paula or Orl Os F and um I am from 00:53:41.110 --> 00:53:48.628 um West Sacramento, California and I will, I am urgently 00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:59.750 asking the CPU to um not extend the life of the nuclear 00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:07.688 reactor. It's an aged out reactor. It from many reports 00:54:07.699 --> 00:54:14.349 it, the, it's a brittle reactor and many reports, although 00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:19.469 not from official sources, but many reports are that 00:54:19.668 --> 00:54:27.570 it has had numerous safety violations that can be documented 00:54:27.590 --> 00:54:32.139 but is not, they're not well publicized. I feel that 00:54:32.409 --> 00:54:40.639 the, the PG and E has made in the past many assurances 00:54:40.648 --> 00:54:46.664 of safety of their equipment for fire prevention as 00:54:46.675 --> 00:54:52.614 well as for nuclear safety that has been shown to be 00:54:52.625 --> 00:54:58.333 very faulty. We can't afford to take a chance with 00:54:58.344 --> 00:55:07.253 an aging plant that is sitting on earthquake fault 00:55:07.704 --> 00:55:15.199 and what one can cause a lot of problems. So listen 00:55:15.208 --> 00:55:20.878 to the er g environmental working group on how costly 00:55:20.889 --> 00:55:24.969 it is and the physicians for social responsibility 00:55:24.978 --> 00:55:30.300 about serious safety concerns. Thank you. Thank you 00:55:30.309 --> 00:55:33.139 Paula. I appreciate your comments, uh, operator, let's 00:55:33.148 --> 00:55:35.530 go to the next person and then after that person is 00:55:35.539 --> 00:55:39.429 finished, uh, will you check on for us? I'd be happy 00:55:39.438 --> 00:55:42.750 to our next public comment comes from chap. Your line 00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:45.389 is open. 00:55:45.389 --> 00:55:50.809 Hello? Hello, Jeff, we can hear you. Yeah. Yeah, it's 00:55:50.820 --> 00:55:57.260 Jeffrey Bark. Do actually Jeffruybbb as in boy, A RKD 00:55:57.269 --> 00:56:02.458 as in dog, ULL. First off the record, is this, is this 00:56:02.469 --> 00:56:04.619 meeting going to be, is this meeting going to be seen 00:56:04.628 --> 00:56:07.239 for others to see as well if you know what I mean 00:56:07.250 --> 00:56:11.610 record? It's, you said it's being recorded. So 00:56:11.610 --> 00:56:14.059 yes, so 00:56:14.059 --> 00:56:16.938 this hearing is being recorded, an archive of the hearing 00:56:16.949 --> 00:56:19.458 will appear on the commission's website and a written 00:56:19.469 --> 00:56:22.699 transcript of the hearing will also appear on the docket 00:56:22.708 --> 00:56:25.648 card for this proceeding. 00:56:25.648 --> 00:56:29.300 You'll share that with us, right? 00:56:29.300 --> 00:56:35.500 It won't be available. Ok. Ok. Now for the, ok. Now 00:56:35.570 --> 00:56:38.519 now for what I want to publicly say, a lot of people 00:56:39.458 --> 00:56:43.280 no offense to the, no offense to the people, but, but 00:56:43.289 --> 00:56:46.289 a lot, what a what a lot of people have said about 00:56:47.429 --> 00:56:50.969 the closing the canon and why they have good reason 00:56:50.978 --> 00:56:53.398 Those who want to keep it open don't know, don't know 00:56:53.409 --> 00:56:57.869 that much about the risks. Risk. It's not worth sure 00:56:57.878 --> 00:57:01.878 it's renewable, renewable, but it's not. But the price 00:57:01.889 --> 00:57:04.869 But if anything goes wrong, it's not worth the price 00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:10.449 And then if you want to know what if you, because cause 00:57:10.458 --> 00:57:13.619 if you think because look at what happened because 00:57:13.628 --> 00:57:17.789 look what happened in Japan in 1999 and look for those 00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:21.699 who are listening, listen, listen to it. Look up a 00:57:21.708 --> 00:57:28.010 person named his, his Oichi. He got, he's the most 00:57:28.019 --> 00:57:30.570 most famously known as the most radioactive man on 00:57:30.579 --> 00:57:35.000 earth because he got, he got the most, he got 17 verts 00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:38.418 of radiation. And if you want, if you want to know 00:57:38.429 --> 00:57:41.030 how it feels like to die from radiation poisoning, 00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:43.929 which is, which is the worst way to die. That's a, 00:57:43.938 --> 00:57:47.860 that's a good way to start. The, the canyon needs to 00:57:47.869 --> 00:57:52.340 be shut down. And because if another plant, there are 00:57:52.349 --> 00:57:56.208 other plants too besides that one that's on spot lines 00:57:57.309 --> 00:58:01.969 earthquake prone zones too, they go off and, and then 00:58:01.978 --> 00:58:06.159 you know, well, you know the story. So I, I urge you 00:58:06.168 --> 00:58:10.019 to shut down Divo Canyon before, before we, before 00:58:10.469 --> 00:58:15.389 the floor goes off and, and the people get angry and 00:58:15.398 --> 00:58:18.719 come after the person responsible for ruining their 00:58:18.728 --> 00:58:27.090 lives. If you know what if you know what I mean? 00:58:27.090 --> 00:58:31.820 I appreciate your comment. Uh Operator is, uh Jerrell 00:58:31.829 --> 00:58:43.458 back with us. Um, she, she is one moment. 00:58:43.458 --> 00:58:46.639 Can you hear me now? 00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:49.349 Yes, we can hear you drill. Uh It sounds like there's 00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:52.909 less background noise now. So, yes, this is Darryl 00:58:53.168 --> 00:58:59.478 Gale Gale, Los Angeles. 00:58:59.478 --> 00:59:05.639 The last thing we need is an ancient emb Britt New 00:59:05.648 --> 00:59:12.789 plant straddling numerous being extended but what we 00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:19.309 really do need right now is solar panels on every available 00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:25.590 roof, business, parking lot, Carport garage and stadium 00:59:26.539 --> 00:59:32.250 And we must prioritize the installation and manufacturing 00:59:32.260 --> 00:59:38.438 and hiring of former nuclear workers and electricians 00:59:38.949 --> 00:59:43.458 They will have more than enough work till they retire 00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:48.648 That's it. 00:59:48.648 --> 00:59:53.168 Does, does that conclude your comments? Yes, thank 00:59:53.179 --> 00:59:56.478 you for that. I appreciate it. Uh Operator, can you 00:59:56.489 --> 00:59:57.648 call the next caller, please? 00:59:58.087 --> 01:00:01.348 Our next public comment comes from Grant Mill. Your 01:00:01.358 --> 01:00:04.548 line is open. 01:00:04.548 --> 01:00:09.837 Hello, thank you. My name is Grant Mills Grantmills 01:00:09.926 --> 01:00:12.477 I'm calling in support of extending the operation of 01:00:12.487 --> 01:00:15.648 the Canon. Replacement of Diablo Canyon would take 01:00:15.658 --> 01:00:18.367 a valuable time which could otherwise be used to remove 01:00:18.376 --> 01:00:20.867 fossil fuels from our electricity grid. Once and for 01:00:20.876 --> 01:00:25.106 all the shutdown of the Canon is the generation equivalent 01:00:25.117 --> 01:00:27.827 of shutting down every wind turbine in California. 01:00:28.167 --> 01:00:31.316 It is our single largest clean energy generator and 01:00:31.327 --> 01:00:34.077 should be utilized until we can be sure its replacement 01:00:34.087 --> 01:00:36.757 wouldn't increase harmful emissions. It's worth the 01:00:36.766 --> 01:00:40.037 price. The point has been made that nuclear energy 01:00:40.047 --> 01:00:44.467 cannot follow the daily load. This is true. It is bound 01:00:44.477 --> 01:00:47.208 to consistent output in the same way that solar energy 01:00:47.217 --> 01:00:50.427 is bound to the sun. However, the solution is the same 01:00:50.437 --> 01:00:54.028 in both cases, batteries, the same batteries used to 01:00:54.037 --> 01:00:57.306 store solar panel, solar power and wind power can be 01:00:57.316 --> 01:00:59.867 used to store nuclear power during times when it does 01:00:59.876 --> 01:01:03.148 not need it. None of these energy sources are mutually 01:01:03.158 --> 01:01:07.158 exclusive. They are tools at our disposal. And Diablo 01:01:07.167 --> 01:01:10.917 Canyon is one tool that we know works. Please extend 01:01:10.926 --> 01:01:12.828 the operations of Diablo Canyon. Thank you for your 01:01:12.837 --> 01:01:14.837 time. 01:01:14.837 --> 01:01:17.917 Thank you, Grant. I appreciate your comments. Operator 01:01:17.926 --> 01:01:20.688 May we have the next person in the queue, please? Our 01:01:20.697 --> 01:01:23.947 next public comment comes from Zion Tron. Your line 01:01:23.956 --> 01:01:27.596 is open. 01:01:27.596 --> 01:01:33.346 Yes. Hello. My name is Dian TV, Iontran. Thank you 01:01:33.357 --> 01:01:36.188 Commission for holding this hearing and thank you, 01:01:36.197 --> 01:01:39.688 my fellow citizens without a financial interest here 01:01:39.697 --> 01:01:42.378 to stand up for everyone. I'm literally begging the 01:01:42.387 --> 01:01:44.717 commission to please deny the extension as written 01:01:44.727 --> 01:01:47.697 in the current proposal. This entire situation is to 01:01:47.706 --> 01:01:50.747 be communicated to the community in friendly language 01:01:50.757 --> 01:01:53.727 that people will understand. The document is not written 01:01:53.736 --> 01:01:56.078 at a middle school level for everyone that is going 01:01:56.087 --> 01:02:00.257 to affect. Not only is the situation very volatile 01:02:00.268 --> 01:02:03.188 already due to the age of the equipment, but giving 01:02:03.197 --> 01:02:07.347 the responsibility to be PG and E is essentially ignoring 01:02:07.358 --> 01:02:10.728 what they have consistently demonstrated and that is 01:02:10.736 --> 01:02:13.358 they can't be trusted. I have a feeling this entire 01:02:13.367 --> 01:02:16.577 thing is going to include a rate increase for people 01:02:16.587 --> 01:02:19.706 who can't afford it. In addition to endangering them 01:02:20.186 --> 01:02:22.867 I'm more afraid of PG and E than nuclear energy, nuclear 01:02:22.877 --> 01:02:26.448 energy has the potential to help PG and E does not 01:02:26.728 --> 01:02:29.138 I really believe that the commission needs to explain 01:02:29.148 --> 01:02:32.676 this situation to people in plain talk and consider 01:02:32.817 --> 01:02:35.766 a reputable and trustworthy organization to lead the 01:02:35.777 --> 01:02:38.367 effort. You're not really giving us a choice when you 01:02:38.377 --> 01:02:42.057 present PG E as the only option and I will remember 01:02:42.067 --> 01:02:44.747 this day and associate the commission with every death 01:02:44.758 --> 01:02:48.266 that occurs if PGD is allowed to do this right now 01:02:48.277 --> 01:02:50.777 I have a very favorable opinion of the commission, 01:02:50.797 --> 01:02:54.398 but with PTE, none of us are guessing they have a demonstrated 01:02:54.406 --> 01:02:58.027 record of disregard for the environment and human life 01:02:58.037 --> 01:03:00.728 Please. I beg the commission do not do this. Give us 01:03:00.736 --> 01:03:03.888 a real choice if we must. Let's find a company with 01:03:03.898 --> 01:03:06.478 a demonstrated record of care for the environment and 01:03:06.486 --> 01:03:10.247 human life and write this proposal in simple language 01:03:10.258 --> 01:03:12.997 for the entire community. I thank you and you with 01:03:13.008 --> 01:03:16.956 my time. Thank you very much. I appreciate your comment 01:03:17.837 --> 01:03:20.686 operator uh May recall on the next person in the queue 01:03:21.467 --> 01:03:24.608 Our next public comment comes from Scott Range for 01:03:24.787 --> 01:03:27.736 you and is open. 01:03:27.736 --> 01:03:35.827 Yes. My name is Scott Rainsford. Rainsford. I live 01:03:35.837 --> 01:03:40.337 in Arcata, California and I am concerned about the 01:03:40.347 --> 01:03:45.266 safety of not only the people surrounding the Dia County 01:03:45.277 --> 01:03:48.956 Nuclear Power plant, but of the safety of the people 01:03:48.967 --> 01:03:56.956 of this nation. I'll tell you why. In 1977 I was sent 01:03:56.967 --> 01:04:02.236 to the Humboldt Bay Nuclear Power Plant to see if I 01:04:02.247 --> 01:04:07.297 could update the contingency plan. 01:04:07.297 --> 01:04:09.797 The uh 01:04:09.797 --> 01:04:15.917 uh I went to the reactor site. I rent their plan and 01:04:15.926 --> 01:04:18.506 then I asked if they ever had a chance to use it 01:04:19.297 --> 01:04:22.277 and they said, well, yes, we have and they brought 01:04:22.287 --> 01:04:26.736 me out the nuclear operators log that described an 01:04:26.748 --> 01:04:33.227 accident that occurred on July 17th, 1970 people have 01:04:33.236 --> 01:04:38.176 spoken to you before about this accident. The United 01:04:38.188 --> 01:04:43.076 States government lied about what really happened on 01:04:43.087 --> 01:04:45.417 that day. 01:04:45.417 --> 01:04:51.486 I read the nuclear operators log and it described a 01:04:51.498 --> 01:04:57.587 situation where there was massive PG and E negligence 01:04:58.517 --> 01:05:04.128 When that operator uh when the reactor was being half 01:05:04.357 --> 01:05:07.446 rayed at full power. 01:05:07.446 --> 01:05:12.107 What eventually happened is the reactor was so out 01:05:12.118 --> 01:05:17.797 of control when they lost outside power and they lost 01:05:17.808 --> 01:05:22.837 a coolant. So it was a simultaneous. Hello, we're here 01:05:22.847 --> 01:05:24.597 but I, I, I'd like to ask you to wrap it up 01:05:24.607 --> 01:05:31.248 Scott. I'm sorry. Ok. So the scientists that were on 01:05:31.256 --> 01:05:37.636 the phone before were lied to by the federal government 01:05:38.438 --> 01:05:44.878 it is not safe. I encourage everyone to Google Humboldt 01:05:44.886 --> 01:05:49.047 nuclear accident. There's two presentations, a 39 minute 01:05:49.058 --> 01:05:57.248 video and uh a 66 minute radio interview. It will explain 01:05:57.256 --> 01:06:03.467 what happened here. How many people were killed? Thank 01:06:03.477 --> 01:06:06.717 you. Thank you, Scott. I appreciate your comments tonight 01:06:07.818 --> 01:06:11.618 Operator. May we have the next color, please? 01:06:11.618 --> 01:06:15.378 Our next public comment comes from Gerald Coffin. Your 01:06:15.386 --> 01:06:20.136 line is open. Uh Yes. Can you hear me? Yes, we can 01:06:20.148 --> 01:06:22.777 hear you. Please go ahead. Ok. My name is Gerald Cotton 01:06:23.097 --> 01:06:32.326 G er A L DC A Uthen as in Nancy. Uh I 01:06:32.337 --> 01:06:35.756 first of all, I'd like to urge the puc to stick to 01:06:35.767 --> 01:06:40.607 the facts. Don't listen to what A PGE says. I agree 01:06:40.618 --> 01:06:43.477 I'm no great fan of theirs either. But also don't listen 01:06:43.486 --> 01:06:48.167 to biases. And I heard some biases today that go back 01:06:48.236 --> 01:06:51.797 60 years, the same things that we talked about about 01:06:51.808 --> 01:06:55.486 uh nuclear plants then and a lot has changed since 01:06:55.498 --> 01:06:59.527 then. Now there are currently 55 nuclear power plants 01:06:59.537 --> 01:07:02.438 operating in the United States. So far as I know, there 01:07:02.446 --> 01:07:07.477 have been no serious energies or deaths from those 01:07:07.957 --> 01:07:12.576 I want to talk just a bit about climate change. 4% 01:07:12.587 --> 01:07:16.368 of the world's energy is now being produced by wind 01:07:16.378 --> 01:07:21.118 and solar combined. More energy than that is being 01:07:21.607 --> 01:07:25.368 consumed by people who just burn wood for heating. 01:07:25.558 --> 01:07:28.076 So we're not going to be able to rely on wind and 01:07:28.087 --> 01:07:31.777 solar for a long time. I don't think anybody has mentioned 01:07:31.787 --> 01:07:34.047 that France has been operating with something like 01:07:34.058 --> 01:07:39.107 85% of its power being produced by nuclear power plants 01:07:39.118 --> 01:07:41.857 for at least a half a century. And I don't believe 01:07:41.868 --> 01:07:45.006 there have been any fatalities there. And Germany was 01:07:45.017 --> 01:07:48.326 already mentioned, Germany made a horrible mistake 01:07:48.337 --> 01:07:51.467 in shutting down all their nuclear power plants and 01:07:51.477 --> 01:07:54.898 now they're facing sky high electric rates and they're 01:07:54.907 --> 01:07:57.558 facing a winter that is going to kill a lot of them 01:07:57.568 --> 01:08:01.407 just because of the cold. And one last thing I'm looking 01:08:01.417 --> 01:08:07.607 at a table here that says that 1900 people, 1900% more 01:08:07.618 --> 01:08:11.498 people have been killed from just coal alone than from 01:08:11.506 --> 01:08:14.558 nuclear. So there's simply no comparison about that's 01:08:14.568 --> 01:08:17.727 worldwide. That's not the US in the whole world. More 01:08:17.736 --> 01:08:21.047 people have been killed by coal burning and the pollution 01:08:21.058 --> 01:08:24.648 is results from coal than from nuclear power. Thank 01:08:24.657 --> 01:08:26.558 you. 01:08:26.558 --> 01:08:30.108 Thank you. I appreciate your comments. Operator. May 01:08:30.117 --> 01:08:33.137 we have the next person in the queue, please? Our next 01:08:33.148 --> 01:08:35.686 public comment comes from Mary Beth Branigan. Your 01:08:35.696 --> 01:08:40.696 line is open. 01:08:40.696 --> 01:08:47.387 Mary Beth Brandon, B as in boy, R A NGA N, I'm 01:08:47.397 --> 01:08:51.377 from Linus and co-director of the Ecological Options 01:08:51.387 --> 01:08:56.245 Network. And we've focused on nuclear issues for over 01:08:56.257 --> 01:09:02.838 30 years. Um I wanted to quickly mention that France 01:09:02.848 --> 01:09:07.556 who was just mentioned by the previous caller has had 01:09:07.566 --> 01:09:12.537 to purchase electricity recently because half of their 01:09:12.547 --> 01:09:17.718 nuclear fleet was down at the same time. They've had 01:09:17.728 --> 01:09:22.127 a lot of problems recently. You should look into that 01:09:22.547 --> 01:09:29.917 Um I'm calling to urge the C PC to not extend the 01:09:29.927 --> 01:09:36.137 uh license of Diablo Canyon. Um First of all, I'm, 01:09:37.747 --> 01:09:43.358 I am most concerned about the risks to health and safety 01:09:43.367 --> 01:09:48.537 by the plant and from the deadly waste that's destructive 01:09:48.547 --> 01:09:52.877 for millions of years. But the CPC makes decisions 01:09:52.887 --> 01:09:57.456 based on economics and the issue of reliability or 01:09:57.468 --> 01:10:03.398 according to SB 846 not health and safety. So I will 01:10:03.407 --> 01:10:10.358 speak to that. Um SB 8 46 authorizes extended operation 01:10:10.367 --> 01:10:15.576 of Jabo Canyon only if it is needed to ensure reliability 01:10:15.588 --> 01:10:19.066 of the grid. So 01:10:19.066 --> 01:10:26.177 what um is happening is in August of 2020 more than 01:10:26.186 --> 01:10:30.076 5000 megawatts of new large scale batteries were brought 01:10:30.088 --> 01:10:34.537 online to deal with the summer evening to demand the 01:10:34.547 --> 01:10:39.777 particular time frame that was anticipated when there 01:10:39.787 --> 01:10:45.306 would be extra needs. And Caiso also reports that battery 01:10:45.316 --> 01:10:50.816 storage of 5600 megawatts are now on our grid. This 01:10:50.826 --> 01:10:56.377 more than doubles the 2300 megawatt peak power capacity 01:10:56.387 --> 01:11:01.677 of diablo and these batteries are flexible unlike diablo 01:11:01.838 --> 01:11:06.358 and do not have the cataclysmic risks of running this 01:11:06.367 --> 01:11:10.728 unmaintained nuclear facility that's been out of operation 01:11:10.738 --> 01:11:14.088 for up to 40% of the days in the past couple of 01:11:14.098 --> 01:11:19.247 years. We clearly do not need Diablo Canyon. According 01:11:19.257 --> 01:11:22.728 to the North American Electric Reliability Council 01:11:22.738 --> 01:11:26.988 who says there are adequate resources to meet forecast 01:11:26.997 --> 01:11:33.247 summer demand plus 35% reserve margin. Mary Beth, I'm 01:11:33.257 --> 01:11:35.838 sorry to cut you off, but, but you've reached the end 01:11:35.848 --> 01:11:38.456 of your time. Uh I've got off the record. I'll, I'll 01:11:38.468 --> 01:11:40.738 go back on the record for you to, to make a, a 01:11:40.777 --> 01:11:44.478 two second uh finish to what you're saying. Ok. Ok 01:11:44.488 --> 01:11:49.108 Let's be back on the record. Uh Mary Beth, yes. Uh 01:11:49.907 --> 01:11:52.927 Can you please say that again? Can you please complete 01:11:52.936 --> 01:11:57.367 your comments, Mary Beth. Oh, sure. Um Divo County 01:11:57.377 --> 01:12:04.027 provides only 5.5% of about 17,000 gigawatt hours out 01:12:04.037 --> 01:12:10.037 of 310,000 gigawatts of electricity from all sources 01:12:10.047 --> 01:12:14.956 for California in 2020. We have time for tonight. Ok 01:12:14.968 --> 01:12:20.387 thank you very much. Thank you operator. May we have 01:12:20.398 --> 01:12:23.287 the next caller in the queue, please? Our next public 01:12:23.297 --> 01:12:28.157 comment comes from James. He your line is open. 01:12:28.157 --> 01:12:32.088 Hello. Thank you. My name is James Heel Eon Ecological 01:12:32.098 --> 01:12:36.167 Options Network. There should be no diablo license 01:12:36.177 --> 01:12:41.338 extension. Restarting diablo is irresponsibly risky 01:12:41.348 --> 01:12:45.667 radioactive recidivism. It is among the most emb brittle 01:12:45.677 --> 01:12:49.456 under maintained and inadequately inspected pair of 01:12:49.468 --> 01:12:53.907 reactors in the country operated by a serial felon 01:12:53.917 --> 01:12:59.917 company in an active multiple earthquake zone. As former 01:12:59.927 --> 01:13:04.988 Energy Secretary, Ernest Moniz has admitted revivalism 01:13:04.997 --> 01:13:09.997 of uneconomic commercial nuclear power is to maintain 01:13:10.007 --> 01:13:14.306 a supportive infrastructure and trained labor force 01:13:14.316 --> 01:13:18.137 for the benefit of continued nuclear weapons production 01:13:18.267 --> 01:13:23.898 And the nuclear navy, it's redundant, dirty radioactive 01:13:23.907 --> 01:13:28.777 waste and routine radioactive emissions producing power 01:13:28.787 --> 01:13:33.427 is unnecessary either to protect against grid blackout 01:13:33.436 --> 01:13:40.706 or to combat climate change. Diablo must die. Thanks 01:13:40.718 --> 01:13:44.456 for the time. Thank you James. I appreciate your comment 01:13:44.826 --> 01:13:49.637 that the emissions producing power uh operator. May 01:13:49.648 --> 01:13:54.988 we have the next caller in the key, please? 01:13:54.988 --> 01:14:00.806 Our next public comment comes from must die. 01:14:00.806 --> 01:14:05.838 I'm very privileged to be able to be very close to 01:14:07.747 --> 01:14:11.267 operator. May we have the next color? 01:14:11.267 --> 01:14:16.117 This mcnally? I know, I don't know if you can hear 01:14:16.127 --> 01:14:18.898 me, but right now we're off the record because we've 01:14:18.907 --> 01:14:23.917 had a lot of feedback of previous recordings going 01:14:23.927 --> 01:14:26.617 on. And so I'd like to sort of clean that up before 01:14:26.627 --> 01:14:29.747 we go back on. Yeah. What's happening is it looks like 01:14:29.757 --> 01:14:33.098 the, um, the person that's public commenting, they're 01:14:33.108 --> 01:14:35.167 listening, they have the speakers up and they're listening 01:14:35.177 --> 01:14:37.838 at and there's a delay and that's why, but they should 01:14:37.848 --> 01:14:40.037 be able to hear it. There's, I'm open, I'm open their 01:14:40.047 --> 01:14:42.348 line one more time, but let's try this again. Ok, let's 01:14:42.358 --> 01:14:44.507 yeah, let's try and see if we can get the, the admin 01:14:44.517 --> 01:14:49.066 monitor down. Ok. Oh, they disconnected. I think they're 01:14:49.076 --> 01:14:53.978 probably gonna call back again. Ok. Ok. Uh In that 01:14:53.988 --> 01:14:56.797 case, um hopefully they call back so that we can receive 01:14:56.806 --> 01:14:59.478 their comment tonight. Um Let's be back on the record 01:15:00.446 --> 01:15:02.648 Uh Operator, can you call in the next person on the 01:15:02.657 --> 01:15:06.478 key? Our next public comment comes from Madison, Madison 01:15:06.488 --> 01:15:11.417 Schroeder. Your line is open. Hello? Can you hear me 01:15:12.297 --> 01:15:15.446 Yes, please go ahead. Ok, great. So my name is Madison 01:15:15.468 --> 01:15:18.148 Schroeder. Um And I want to thank this body for allowing 01:15:18.157 --> 01:15:20.956 allowing me to make public comments this evening. Um 01:15:20.968 --> 01:15:24.968 I'm a wise 25 years old, which means that for my entire 01:15:24.978 --> 01:15:27.686 life, I have been aware of the threats of climate change 01:15:27.696 --> 01:15:31.066 into our planet and the dire need for solutions. It 01:15:31.076 --> 01:15:33.747 is because of this, that I am calling in strong support 01:15:33.757 --> 01:15:37.887 for the extension of Dia of Diablo Canyon. The reason 01:15:37.898 --> 01:15:40.186 for my support is not just because the Apple Canyon 01:15:40.196 --> 01:15:43.537 provides immense amounts of carbon free electricity 01:15:43.547 --> 01:15:47.196 to millions of homes, but because it is already but 01:15:47.206 --> 01:15:49.706 because it reliably keeps the lights on during extreme 01:15:49.718 --> 01:15:52.137 weather which we have seen with increased frequency 01:15:52.148 --> 01:15:55.007 in recent years. It is because nuclear energy uses 01:15:55.017 --> 01:15:57.968 the least amount of land of energy in any energy source 01:15:57.978 --> 01:16:00.588 supporting a future for my generation and one after 01:16:00.598 --> 01:16:04.367 me and which more nature is left wild. It is because 01:16:04.377 --> 01:16:06.867 nuclear supports the highest median pay for workers 01:16:06.877 --> 01:16:09.826 in the energy sector and contributes millions of dollars 01:16:09.838 --> 01:16:12.468 towards communities and infrastructure. It is because 01:16:12.478 --> 01:16:15.497 diable caning can desalinate water an increasingly 01:16:15.507 --> 01:16:19.007 scarce resource in the state of California. And lastly 01:16:19.157 --> 01:16:21.806 it is because nuclear is the safest form of energy 01:16:21.816 --> 01:16:24.968 per kilowatt hour that we have. We need an all hands 01:16:24.978 --> 01:16:27.867 on deck approach to our environmental crisis and this 01:16:27.877 --> 01:16:30.968 must be one that includes nuclear. I hope that the 01:16:30.978 --> 01:16:33.157 members of the California Public Utilities Commission 01:16:33.167 --> 01:16:36.007 keep these reasons along with my generation and those 01:16:36.017 --> 01:16:39.056 to come in mind when making their decision. Thank you 01:16:40.797 --> 01:16:44.017 Thank you, Madison. I appreciate your comments. Operator 01:16:44.027 --> 01:16:46.867 May we have the next person in the queue, please? Our 01:16:46.877 --> 01:16:49.598 next public comment comes from Brendan Pitman. Your 01:16:49.608 --> 01:16:53.076 line is open. 01:16:53.076 --> 01:16:55.936 Hi, can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you, Brendan 01:16:55.946 --> 01:16:59.556 Go ahead. Thank you. Hi, my name is Brendan Pittman 01:16:59.566 --> 01:17:05.548 Brendanp, I TT MA N and I'm a 31 year old living 01:17:05.558 --> 01:17:08.927 in Berkeley, California. I urge the CPUC to extend 01:17:08.937 --> 01:17:12.117 the operations of the Apple Canyon for at a minimum 01:17:12.127 --> 01:17:16.028 five years to 2030. The electricity demand on California's 01:17:16.038 --> 01:17:18.597 grid and the western interconnection will only increase 01:17:18.607 --> 01:17:21.516 as electrification of transportation industry and home 01:17:21.528 --> 01:17:24.107 heating intensifies. We need all the clean energy we 01:17:24.117 --> 01:17:26.697 can get our hands on and removing 2000 megawatts of 01:17:26.707 --> 01:17:31.256 ultra clean, ultra reliable energy in 2024 and 2025 01:17:31.266 --> 01:17:34.898 or even 2030 would be catastrophic. The premature closure 01:17:34.907 --> 01:17:38.226 of this vital power plant means two things. One my 01:17:38.236 --> 01:17:41.937 electricity rates and all those Californians will increase 01:17:41.947 --> 01:17:44.548 significantly, placing an even higher burden on the 01:17:44.558 --> 01:17:47.167 most disadvantaged and vulnerable in our communities 01:17:47.288 --> 01:17:49.466 The cost, the cost to produce electricity from Gabo 01:17:49.667 --> 01:17:51.707 Canyon is somewhere between five and eight cents per 01:17:51.716 --> 01:17:55.736 kilowatt hour. Um My current all in rate is about 30 01:17:55.746 --> 01:18:00.778 to 35 cents per kilowatt hour right now. Um two more 01:18:00.788 --> 01:18:03.907 natural gas and petrochemicals will be burned in California 01:18:03.917 --> 01:18:06.367 and the western grid area will release climate warming 01:18:06.377 --> 01:18:09.857 gasses and toxic air pollution. We have several recent 01:18:09.867 --> 01:18:12.357 examples of this in New York with Indian Point and 01:18:12.367 --> 01:18:15.016 in Germany, in both situations, natural gas and coal 01:18:15.028 --> 01:18:17.808 were burned to fill the supply void. These sources 01:18:17.818 --> 01:18:20.927 produce real pollution that causes real health problems 01:18:20.937 --> 01:18:23.006 While Berkeley may not receive that air pollution, 01:18:23.016 --> 01:18:25.568 someone in Kern County or in Utah will be exposed to 01:18:25.578 --> 01:18:28.808 those externalities from California. And I don't want 01:18:28.818 --> 01:18:31.808 that on my conscious and we as responsible California 01:18:31.818 --> 01:18:35.417 shouldn't either. The NRC gives nuclear power plants 01:18:35.427 --> 01:18:37.927 a somewhat arbitrary 40 year license at the beginning 01:18:37.937 --> 01:18:40.328 of operation. Those plants have the ability to extend 01:18:40.337 --> 01:18:43.417 their licenses by proving their safety through a rigorous 01:18:43.427 --> 01:18:46.476 federal review and oversight process. Many nuclear 01:18:46.486 --> 01:18:48.607 power plants across the country much older than the 01:18:48.617 --> 01:18:51.197 Apple Canyon have completed that process and have received 01:18:51.207 --> 01:18:54.226 20 year extensions and some have even received 40 years 01:18:54.236 --> 01:18:56.486 of extensions. The Apple Canyon will go through that 01:18:56.496 --> 01:18:58.607 same process and if the federal process seems it's 01:18:58.617 --> 01:19:01.447 not safe to operate, then we can have that conversation 01:19:01.716 --> 01:19:04.568 In fact, if the permanent on site NC inspectors deem 01:19:04.578 --> 01:19:06.538 it's not safe to operate today, they can revoke that 01:19:06.597 --> 01:19:09.736 license. PG needs operational license right now or 01:19:09.746 --> 01:19:12.558 in the next three years. Please do not prematurely 01:19:12.568 --> 01:19:15.318 close down this $10 billion asset that can and should 01:19:15.328 --> 01:19:17.677 provide clean, safe, reliable and affordable power 01:19:17.687 --> 01:19:21.558 for the next 45 years. Thank you. Thank you, Brendan 01:19:22.528 --> 01:19:25.078 operator. May we have the next color in the key, please 01:19:26.697 --> 01:19:28.788 Thank you. If you'd like to make a public comment, 01:19:28.798 --> 01:19:32.068 please press star one unmute your phone and clearly 01:19:32.078 --> 01:19:36.417 state your first and last name clearly. If you'd like 01:19:36.427 --> 01:19:39.266 to retract your comment, please press start to our 01:19:39.278 --> 01:19:42.256 next public comment comes from Harvey Wasserman. Your 01:19:42.266 --> 01:19:46.657 line is open. Hi there. I live in Los Angeles and I 01:19:46.667 --> 01:19:50.867 want to urge you to think of the actual power plants 01:19:51.016 --> 01:19:53.898 as opposed. Well, the abstract issues are important 01:19:53.907 --> 01:19:56.548 of course, but as the previous caller mentioned, we 01:19:56.558 --> 01:20:00.318 know that the Abo Canyon is severely emb brittle, but 01:20:00.328 --> 01:20:03.476 we don't know how emb brittle it really is. There has 01:20:03.486 --> 01:20:07.236 been no public inspection of this reactor of these 01:20:07.246 --> 01:20:11.587 two reactors that we can rely on. You cannot allow 01:20:11.597 --> 01:20:16.028 this plant to continue to operate without an impartial 01:20:16.078 --> 01:20:20.697 totally public inspection of the various components 01:20:20.707 --> 01:20:24.466 of the reactor, both reactors and especially the embrittlement 01:20:24.476 --> 01:20:28.038 issue. We circulated a petition three years ago with 01:20:28.048 --> 01:20:31.637 more than 2000 signatures on it demanding a public 01:20:31.648 --> 01:20:34.766 inspection. So there are abstract issues here. There's 01:20:34.778 --> 01:20:38.357 no need for the power whatsoever but we, what we do 01:20:38.367 --> 01:20:42.778 need is a complete public venting of what kind of shape 01:20:42.788 --> 01:20:47.097 these two reactors are in, especially after six years 01:20:47.107 --> 01:20:50.582 of deferred maintenance on the assumption that they 01:20:50.591 --> 01:20:54.653 were going to shut in 24 and 25 do not under any 01:20:54.663 --> 01:20:57.871 circumstances allow these two reactors to continue 01:20:57.881 --> 01:21:01.572 to operate without a complete impartial and totally 01:21:01.582 --> 01:21:05.381 public inspection of what kind of shape they're really 01:21:05.472 --> 01:21:08.798 in. Dr Michael Peck has already said that they can't 01:21:08.808 --> 01:21:11.506 withstand an earthquake and that they need to shut 01:21:11.516 --> 01:21:14.437 down for that. But there are numerous other reasons 01:21:14.447 --> 01:21:18.256 inside that reactor that the public needs to see before 01:21:18.266 --> 01:21:22.516 you can give any kind of field of approval on the uninspected 01:21:22.528 --> 01:21:26.637 and by the way, uninsured atomic reactors, I can't 01:21:26.648 --> 01:21:30.207 drive my car in L A without insurance. Why should PG 01:21:30.216 --> 01:21:33.097 and E be allowed to operate these reactors without 01:21:33.107 --> 01:21:36.328 insurance? Especially if they're not inspected for 01:21:36.337 --> 01:21:40.226 the public, so do not move forward without a public 01:21:40.236 --> 01:21:43.627 inspection of these two reactors. Thank you very much 01:21:43.637 --> 01:21:46.127 and I'd like to point out that Germany is doing just 01:21:46.137 --> 01:21:51.377 great with it. And so will California. No nukes everybody 01:21:51.387 --> 01:21:55.457 and inspect those reactors, please? Thank you, Harvey 01:21:55.466 --> 01:21:59.157 I appreciate your comment. Operator. Can you call the 01:21:59.167 --> 01:22:14.447 next person in the queue, please, 01:22:14.447 --> 01:22:17.278 operator. Uh May you, may we get the next person in 01:22:17.288 --> 01:22:24.347 the queue, please? 01:22:24.347 --> 01:22:29.746 Alright, let's be off the record and more need to get 01:22:29.756 --> 01:22:40.976 some confirmation before we go back home. 01:22:40.976 --> 01:22:42.986 Operator. Can you hear me now? Are you there? Yes, 01:22:42.996 --> 01:22:47.038 I can hear you. I can hear you. Give me one, give 01:22:47.048 --> 01:22:49.167 me one second and we'll go back on the record. Ok, 01:22:49.278 --> 01:22:52.607 back on the record operator. If you're calling the 01:22:52.617 --> 01:22:55.167 next person in the queue, please. Sure. Our next public 01:22:55.177 --> 01:22:57.778 comment comes from Marilyn Garrett. Your line is open 01:22:59.808 --> 01:23:08.818 Hi. Um My last name is spelled Garre tt. I'm 81 years 01:23:08.828 --> 01:23:16.068 old. I'm calling from California and Diablo Canyon 01:23:16.367 --> 01:23:24.808 Fukushima on the California coast. Question mark. Nuclear 01:23:24.818 --> 01:23:33.038 power is disastrous and inherently deadly. I think 01:23:33.048 --> 01:23:41.347 PGE stands for poison gas and explosions like in San 01:23:41.357 --> 01:23:49.736 Bruno, the P CBS smart meters fires. The Ablow Canyon 01:23:49.746 --> 01:23:57.137 is harmful corporation in every respect. I think back 01:23:57.148 --> 01:24:01.808 to hearing Doctor Linus Pauling two times Nobel Prize 01:24:01.818 --> 01:24:09.216 winner, warning of nuclear radiation and predicting 01:24:09.226 --> 01:24:14.627 millions of deaths from cancer and being vilified his 01:24:14.637 --> 01:24:21.637 estimates were low. We all have strong tm 90 radioactive 01:24:21.648 --> 01:24:26.996 strong tm 90 in our bones cesium 137 in our muscles 01:24:27.006 --> 01:24:34.127 that set her up with the record temperatures and drought 01:24:34.986 --> 01:24:43.407 cooling water to these plants is in question. I participated 01:24:43.417 --> 01:24:47.966 decades ago in opposition to the construction of San 01:24:47.996 --> 01:24:53.068 Louis. So and we wouldn't be having this discussion 01:24:53.266 --> 01:24:57.226 today. Has 01:24:57.226 --> 01:25:03.038 the facts. Then uh listened to, I want to recommend 01:25:03.048 --> 01:25:09.808 a book from 1971 called, I'll just end with this poisoned 01:25:09.818 --> 01:25:15.157 power. The case against nuclear power plants by Dr 01:25:15.486 --> 01:25:21.548 John Goffman and Doctor Tamplin. And they state that 01:25:22.966 --> 01:25:28.957 all efforts to set so called safe or allowable standards 01:25:28.966 --> 01:25:35.087 for industrial poisons, radioactive or other. In truth 01:25:35.097 --> 01:25:40.246 the standard setters no full will. There is no evidence 01:25:40.256 --> 01:25:45.927 for any safe amount of a poison such as radiation or 01:25:45.937 --> 01:25:51.028 radioactivity, no amount of ionizing radiation. It's 01:25:51.038 --> 01:25:56.828 safe. Shut down this plant do decommission. It do not 01:25:56.837 --> 01:26:00.947 extend the license. Thank you. Thank you, Marilyn. 01:26:00.957 --> 01:26:03.996 I appreciate your comments. Operator. May we have the 01:26:04.006 --> 01:26:07.516 next caller in the key? Our next public comment comes 01:26:07.528 --> 01:26:11.917 from Dolores Howard. Your line is open. 01:26:11.917 --> 01:26:16.466 Hello, my name is Dolores Howard and I'm a resident 01:26:16.476 --> 01:26:22.078 of in the county of San calling in to express my concerns 01:26:22.087 --> 01:26:26.167 with the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant license 01:26:26.177 --> 01:26:31.947 extension and to urge the C PC to not extend the license 01:26:32.578 --> 01:26:36.308 the climate change crisis and the loss of biological 01:26:36.318 --> 01:26:40.148 diversity crisis. Are the two greatest dilemmas facing 01:26:40.157 --> 01:26:44.207 our planet and particularly California communities 01:26:44.917 --> 01:26:48.828 In addition to other concerns, this nuclear power plant 01:26:48.837 --> 01:26:52.157 is currently contributing to the biological diversity 01:26:52.167 --> 01:26:56.898 crisis through the disastrous one through cooling, 01:26:57.357 --> 01:27:03.367 uh allowing a million gallons per minute uh to uh destroy 01:27:03.377 --> 01:27:09.887 marine life. The health of our oceans is interconnected 01:27:09.898 --> 01:27:14.367 with our own health. Please do not extend the license 01:27:16.398 --> 01:27:20.347 Thank you. Thank you, Dolores. I appreciate your comments 01:27:21.347 --> 01:27:23.587 Operator. May we have the next person in the queue 01:27:23.597 --> 01:27:25.367 please? 01:27:25.367 --> 01:27:28.266 Our next public comment comes from Keith Hoffman. Your 01:27:28.278 --> 01:27:35.736 line is open. 01:27:35.736 --> 01:27:40.766 Was that Ace Hoffman by NHS? My apologies, Ace Hoffman 01:27:40.778 --> 01:27:45.038 Your line is open. Hi. Thank you very much. Uh The 01:27:45.048 --> 01:27:49.298 representatives of the C PC UC started the hearing 01:27:49.308 --> 01:27:52.427 saying that they're going to listen and read our comments 01:27:53.107 --> 01:27:55.898 I submitted some written comments yesterday and I hope 01:27:55.907 --> 01:28:00.157 that the CPUC does in fact read them because I've spent 01:28:00.167 --> 01:28:03.648 a lifetime studying nuclear power. I've met an awful 01:28:03.657 --> 01:28:06.528 lot of interesting people along the way, many of whom 01:28:06.857 --> 01:28:11.538 were involved in deeply in the process of John W Goffman 01:28:11.548 --> 01:28:15.857 who was mentioned one of the earlier callers uh with 01:28:15.867 --> 01:28:19.756 a friend of mine, Ernest Stern Glass, uh Carl Z Morgan 01:28:19.766 --> 01:28:24.627 who founded uh uh uh uh the health health physics was 01:28:24.637 --> 01:28:26.898 someone I spoke to on a number of occasions. All of 01:28:26.907 --> 01:28:32.137 these people uh um Stanley Thompson built uh uh some 01:28:32.148 --> 01:28:34.697 of the reactors, so Jack Shannon built some of the 01:28:34.707 --> 01:28:37.107 reactors. 01:28:37.107 --> 01:28:39.907 You need to listen to the people and we're trying very 01:28:39.917 --> 01:28:43.298 hard to tell you something. Don't listen to that earlier 01:28:43.308 --> 01:28:47.476 talker, the former head of the CPUC. He obviously didn't 01:28:47.486 --> 01:28:49.986 do his job. It's your turn to do your job. Thank you 01:28:49.996 --> 01:28:54.298 very much. Bye bye. Thank you. I appreciate your comments 01:28:55.087 --> 01:28:58.177 Operator. May we have the next caller, please? Our 01:28:58.187 --> 01:29:01.667 next public comment comes from Delia Apperson. Your 01:29:01.677 --> 01:29:06.226 line is open. Hi, this is Dalila Epperson and I actually 01:29:06.236 --> 01:29:10.068 represent a grassroots group at Monterey Bay. And I 01:29:10.078 --> 01:29:14.347 would like to ask that you consider to keep the nuclear 01:29:14.357 --> 01:29:19.798 facility open. The bottom line here is that green energy 01:29:19.808 --> 01:29:24.347 We love the idea. I love it, but it just doesn't provide 01:29:24.357 --> 01:29:28.648 the energy that we need to keep California going, especially 01:29:28.657 --> 01:29:31.548 with all the cars, the new cars, the electric cars 01:29:31.558 --> 01:29:37.506 going and maybe a ban on a gas stove. So, you know 01:29:37.788 --> 01:29:41.058 we don't have a choice here. If we don't want to live 01:29:41.068 --> 01:29:44.766 by candle light, we need to keep the nuclear facility 01:29:44.778 --> 01:29:49.177 open. And also it is the cleanest energy form that 01:29:49.187 --> 01:29:54.568 we have. Uh, there is no other cleaner energy lithium 01:29:54.578 --> 01:29:57.587 certainly, isn't it. If anybody has seen any of the 01:29:57.597 --> 01:30:01.486 pictures in third world countries of the lithium fields 01:30:01.496 --> 01:30:06.538 after mining, it's horrific. Uh and when they claim 01:30:06.548 --> 01:30:10.898 that seven Newsom recently claimed that 7% of energy 01:30:10.907 --> 01:30:15.726 comes from batteries. Yeah, 7% of energy in California 01:30:15.917 --> 01:30:20.578 for about three seconds. So that's very deceptive. 01:30:21.137 --> 01:30:25.288 The only energy that we can rely on and that's dependable 01:30:25.298 --> 01:30:29.328 and that won't have us living by candlelight. Is that 01:30:29.337 --> 01:30:33.177 nuclear facility? It's the only thing that we have 01:30:33.187 --> 01:30:36.867 right now and it's the cleanest for the environment 01:30:36.877 --> 01:30:42.398 and otherwise. So I'm asking the board to keep this 01:30:42.407 --> 01:30:46.308 nuclear facility open. Thank you very much for your 01:30:46.318 --> 01:30:51.528 time. My name is Dalila Eison. 01:30:51.528 --> 01:30:53.746 Thank you very much for your comments. I appreciate 01:30:53.756 --> 01:30:56.667 it. Operator. May we have the next caller, please? 01:30:57.657 --> 01:31:00.976 Our next public comment comes from RT Dietrich. Your 01:31:00.986 --> 01:31:03.736 line is open. 01:31:03.736 --> 01:31:06.898 Oh, ok. Um My name is actually Fred Dietrich. Are you 01:31:06.907 --> 01:31:09.957 able to hear me? That's we can hear you. Please go 01:31:09.976 --> 01:31:12.828 ahead. Ok, thank you. Yeah, I, I'm calling from Berkeley 01:31:13.167 --> 01:31:16.308 Sorry, I'm calling from Berkeley. Um hold on, I lost 01:31:16.318 --> 01:31:21.087 my page here. Ok. 01:31:21.087 --> 01:31:25.976 Ok. Yeah. Uh and all the comments are really very informative 01:31:25.986 --> 01:31:31.837 They, they still not here. Um But uh in, in, in 1920 01:31:31.847 --> 01:31:35.798 or I'm sorry, in 2021 there was a very thorough and 01:31:35.808 --> 01:31:39.528 uh and, and, and well written report from researchers 01:31:39.538 --> 01:31:42.828 at MIT and Stanford that states that keeping Diego 01:31:42.996 --> 01:31:46.887 Canyon running until 2035 would reduce the state's 01:31:46.898 --> 01:31:50.127 carbon emissions from electricity. Is reducing the 01:31:50.137 --> 01:31:54.347 emissions generation of electricity generation by 11% 01:31:54.357 --> 01:32:00.538 every year. Save the state a cumulative $2.6 billion 01:32:00.887 --> 01:32:06.808 rising to $21 billion if kept open until 2045 and improve 01:32:06.818 --> 01:32:10.278 the reliability of the grid. Full Decommissioning of 01:32:10.288 --> 01:32:13.726 the plant is estimated to take decades and cost nearly 01:32:13.736 --> 01:32:17.597 $4 billion just to decommission it. California currently 01:32:17.607 --> 01:32:20.657 buys 32% of its power from neighboring states just 01:32:20.667 --> 01:32:24.187 to keep the power grid stable. This is the best way 01:32:24.197 --> 01:32:26.648 to do that without having to keep buying, buying that 01:32:26.657 --> 01:32:30.648 power. You know, it's, it's good climate, it's good 01:32:30.657 --> 01:32:35.648 science, it's good economics. California, it's, you 01:32:35.657 --> 01:32:40.266 know, California's corner, the whole nuclear power 01:32:40.278 --> 01:32:45.377 structure. Keep Diro Canyon open. Thank you. Thank 01:32:45.387 --> 01:32:48.516 you, Fred. I appreciate your comments, operator. Uh 01:32:48.528 --> 01:32:50.736 Can you call in the next person in the queue, please 01:32:52.087 --> 01:32:55.028 Our next public comment comes from Alice mcnally. Your 01:32:55.038 --> 01:32:57.677 line is open. 01:32:57.677 --> 01:33:03.476 Good evening. My name is Alice mcnally mc Nally, I 01:33:03.486 --> 01:33:07.148 am from Del Mar California, but for Governor News's 01:33:07.278 --> 01:33:10.847 political aspirations and the nuclear industry and 01:33:10.857 --> 01:33:14.278 holte greed. Diablo Canyon would be shutting down his 01:33:14.288 --> 01:33:18.148 schedules and rightly so as the plant is antiquated 01:33:18.157 --> 01:33:22.187 too expensive to run, maintain and is down more time 01:33:22.292 --> 01:33:26.242 and running and producing power. This agreement was 01:33:26.252 --> 01:33:29.663 ready for Governor Newsom signature. Now he has flip 01:33:29.673 --> 01:33:34.212 flopped at the taxpayers' expense. The cost is estimated 01:33:34.222 --> 01:33:40.002 at $45 billion and is likely to go up as the longer 01:33:40.012 --> 01:33:44.318 it runs, the more expensive it will be nuclear is not 01:33:44.328 --> 01:33:48.427 green and carbon free except when producing power, 01:33:48.437 --> 01:33:51.947 stop poisoning the environment, the ocean, our air 01:33:51.966 --> 01:33:55.347 and making more waste. When there is no place to put 01:33:55.357 --> 01:33:59.337 it or move it safely. California's power grid has held 01:33:59.347 --> 01:34:02.907 during this summer's extreme weather. Thanks to sustainable 01:34:02.917 --> 01:34:07.767 planning and battery storage. Nuclear is not the solution 01:34:07.968 --> 01:34:11.566 Nuclear power is the most dangerous and expensive power 01:34:11.577 --> 01:34:15.747 source to the consumer, the industry and the politicians 01:34:15.758 --> 01:34:19.876 know this and so do you close Diablo Canyon? Thank 01:34:19.887 --> 01:34:21.796 you. 01:34:21.796 --> 01:34:25.106 Thank you. I appreciate your comments. Operator. May 01:34:25.117 --> 01:34:28.106 we have the next caller in the queue, please? Our next 01:34:28.117 --> 01:34:30.977 public comment comes from Newland Steiner. Your line 01:34:30.988 --> 01:34:33.448 is open. 01:34:33.448 --> 01:34:41.658 Um It's Lauren Steiner Laurenstein. Er 01:34:41.658 --> 01:34:47.126 I've been anti nuclear since 1979 when I watched in 01:34:47.137 --> 01:34:51.417 horror the meltdown at Three Mile Island. Then years 01:34:51.428 --> 01:34:55.537 later, Chernobyl, then years later, Fukushima, I was 01:34:55.546 --> 01:34:58.276 one of many activists who worked to shut down the San 01:34:58.307 --> 01:35:03.148 and off rate plant in 2011. Here are the main reasons 01:35:03.158 --> 01:35:07.678 I think the outlo must be shut down too one, the climate 01:35:07.687 --> 01:35:12.316 crisis, we are enduring a planetary emergency and contrary 01:35:12.327 --> 01:35:15.287 to what several in this hearing have asserted nuclear 01:35:15.296 --> 01:35:19.008 is not carbon free. It emits co two at every stage 01:35:19.017 --> 01:35:23.316 of its life cycle from uranium mining to nuclear waste 01:35:23.437 --> 01:35:26.586 According to the UBA, the German Environmental Agency 01:35:26.597 --> 01:35:31.626 it produces 3.5 times more co two than solar over its 01:35:31.637 --> 01:35:35.827 lifetime 13 times more than wind and 29 times more 01:35:35.836 --> 01:35:40.046 than hydropower two. It's expensive. The state had 01:35:40.057 --> 01:35:44.158 to loan PG and E 1.4 billion and the federal government 01:35:44.207 --> 01:35:49.167 Another 1.1 to keep it running. This is taxpayer money 01:35:49.178 --> 01:35:51.557 that could go to renewables and this doesn't even count 01:35:51.566 --> 01:35:54.218 the additional billions to be covered by the rate payers 01:35:54.747 --> 01:35:58.126 Three. It's uninsurable. Private insurance companies 01:35:58.137 --> 01:36:00.566 are more aware of the potential for disasters than 01:36:00.577 --> 01:36:04.557 anyone because of climate change caused hurricanes 01:36:04.597 --> 01:36:08.398 They are canceling policies in Florida. It's significant 01:36:08.408 --> 01:36:12.597 that they have never insured nuclear plants four. Its 01:36:12.606 --> 01:36:15.198 once through cooling system is harmful to kelp and 01:36:15.207 --> 01:36:18.267 abalone. It's currently in violation of the Clean Water 01:36:18.276 --> 01:36:23.046 Act five. The proper process is not followed. The plant 01:36:23.057 --> 01:36:25.468 has reached the end of its 40 year life span and the 01:36:25.477 --> 01:36:28.537 NRC did not go through the necessary extensive safety 01:36:28.546 --> 01:36:31.887 and environmental reviews to keep it open and they 01:36:31.898 --> 01:36:36.847 used the PG and E seismic studies. This is a criminal 01:36:36.856 --> 01:36:41.457 company who was proved responsible for deadly wildfires 01:36:41.468 --> 01:36:43.678 and you're entrusting them to oversee the storage of 01:36:43.687 --> 01:36:47.417 dangerous nuclear waste. There is no place in the US 01:36:47.428 --> 01:36:50.667 who wants to store it rein but most importantly, you 01:36:50.678 --> 01:36:53.867 don't need, you don't need it. I don't know if you 01:36:53.876 --> 01:36:56.258 saw it two days ago in the Wall Street Journal. Not 01:36:56.267 --> 01:36:59.448 exactly a left wing publication, but they published 01:36:59.457 --> 01:37:02.097 an article about how the hottest month and the hottest 01:37:02.106 --> 01:37:04.856 year since records have been kept. And actually in 01:37:04.867 --> 01:37:09.178 125,000 years, according to scientists, the grids in 01:37:09.187 --> 01:37:12.296 both California and Texas have not been stressed at 01:37:12.307 --> 01:37:16.238 all and that is due to all the solar wind and hydropower 01:37:16.247 --> 01:37:19.008 that has become available. So I urge you to reject 01:37:19.017 --> 01:37:22.678 this extension shut down Diablo Canyon as planned. 01:37:22.687 --> 01:37:26.148 Thank you. Thank you, Lauren. I appreciate your comment 01:37:26.968 --> 01:37:29.017 operator. Maybe we call him the next person in the 01:37:29.026 --> 01:37:32.428 queue, please. Our next public comment comes from Bonnie 01:37:32.437 --> 01:37:38.526 Blackberry. Your line is open. Yes, thank you. Um I 01:37:38.537 --> 01:37:41.747 was born in 01:37:41.747 --> 01:37:49.276 and uh I am very concerned about the Abu Canyon, the 01:37:49.287 --> 01:37:54.557 idea and that it's clean. Uh Look at what's happening 01:37:54.566 --> 01:37:59.398 in Fukushima. They're gonna be dumping all that radioactive 01:37:59.747 --> 01:38:04.046 water that they can't contain longer. It's going in 01:38:04.057 --> 01:38:11.867 the ocean. And um people assuming that diablo is safe 01:38:11.876 --> 01:38:16.117 that the earthquake faults aren't going to cause any 01:38:16.126 --> 01:38:21.077 damage. Uh is, you know, I guess positive thinking 01:38:21.158 --> 01:38:26.648 but I'm concerned about the risk if there is an accident 01:38:26.687 --> 01:38:31.586 at Diablo Canyon, not only the local communities but 01:38:31.718 --> 01:38:37.597 the window blowed into the, the valley, which is like 01:38:37.606 --> 01:38:43.267 the food basket so that the risk of that happening 01:38:43.508 --> 01:38:48.867 having this decrepit uh nuclear power plant sit on 01:38:48.876 --> 01:38:54.247 top of a whole bunch of earthquake falls. Sounds pretty 01:38:54.258 --> 01:39:00.008 pretty crazy. And the thing of the cost we were told 01:39:00.017 --> 01:39:03.928 it's going to be too cheap to meter. Well, the price 01:39:03.937 --> 01:39:07.597 of construction keeps going up and up and up and then 01:39:07.606 --> 01:39:11.977 it was like, don't worry about the way we'll find somewhere 01:39:11.988 --> 01:39:16.267 to deal with it, but they're not dealing with it. And 01:39:16.468 --> 01:39:21.796 the cost of containing that nuclear waste for, who 01:39:21.807 --> 01:39:28.776 knows how long is very, very, very expensive and that's 01:39:28.787 --> 01:39:34.356 not being calculated into it. And the good for the 01:39:34.367 --> 01:39:39.908 environment dia takes out a million gallons a minute 01:39:39.917 --> 01:39:43.687 out of the ocean, flushes it through the plant and 01:39:43.698 --> 01:39:49.207 then pumps it back into the ocean. So it's like a hot 01:39:49.517 --> 01:39:55.238 water heater heating up the ocean, which is a real 01:39:55.247 --> 01:40:01.417 problem with our climate change. So please stop assuming 01:40:01.497 --> 01:40:06.787 that it's safe. We can just go ahead and start it up 01:40:06.796 --> 01:40:12.767 and nothing bad is gonna happen. So please do not extend 01:40:12.776 --> 01:40:19.227 the license for this nuclear risk. Thank you. Thank 01:40:19.238 --> 01:40:22.187 you, Bonny. I appreciate it, operator. Can you call 01:40:22.198 --> 01:40:25.258 in the next person in the queue, please? Our next public 01:40:25.267 --> 01:40:28.508 comment comes from Phil Philip. Your line is open. 01:40:31.767 --> 01:40:33.546 Thank you so much for this opportunity to weigh in 01:40:33.637 --> 01:40:36.497 Um You know, we've heard from so many callers today 01:40:36.508 --> 01:40:39.287 all of whom I, I assume have expressed very sincere 01:40:39.296 --> 01:40:43.207 beliefs and I, I'd like to add my own uh call stopped 01:40:43.218 --> 01:40:48.316 today uh in support of keeping the canyon outlet open 01:40:48.957 --> 01:40:54.276 And I do so because Sharon Act, my wife this morning 01:40:54.738 --> 01:40:58.247 sent me a text or, and share an article with me about 01:40:58.258 --> 01:41:02.008 the possibility of the Atlantic overturn current is 01:41:02.017 --> 01:41:05.887 collapsing. And she did this because I had written 01:41:06.667 --> 01:41:10.957 prepare a presentation about that theoretical possibility 01:41:10.968 --> 01:41:15.227 as a result of climate change and her comment on sharing 01:41:15.238 --> 01:41:17.678 the article was that if someone had only listened to 01:41:17.687 --> 01:41:22.276 the experts and here we sit pondering whether or not 01:41:22.287 --> 01:41:29.198 to keep a safe carbon free energy producing source 01:41:29.207 --> 01:41:33.658 open in the midst of record setting global temperatures 01:41:35.876 --> 01:41:40.106 And we know that nuclear power is the safest form of 01:41:40.117 --> 01:41:45.508 energy available. We have experts at the NRC that tell 01:41:45.517 --> 01:41:49.227 us that the plant is safe and we have bipartisan and 01:41:49.238 --> 01:41:53.336 bicameral support in nuclear power. And I would urge 01:41:53.347 --> 01:41:59.787 the committee to trust the experts listen to what our 01:41:59.796 --> 01:42:02.508 scientists tell us so that we can do the right thing 01:42:02.517 --> 01:42:04.836 Thank you. 01:42:04.836 --> 01:42:08.046 Thank you, Philip. I appreciate your comments. Uh Operator 01:42:08.057 --> 01:42:12.057 do we have any colors left in the queue? We currently 01:42:12.066 --> 01:42:14.448 don't. If you'd like to make a public comment, please 01:42:14.457 --> 01:42:17.408 press star one, unmute your phone and clearly state 01:42:17.417 --> 01:42:20.178 your name, your first and last name for public comment 01:42:20.187 --> 01:42:22.537 Introduction. If you'd like to retract your question 01:42:22.546 --> 01:42:25.876 please press star two. Thank you. 01:42:25.876 --> 01:42:27.898 All right. So we'll wait for a couple of minutes to 01:42:27.908 --> 01:42:31.227 see if anyone joins the Q to speak. In the meantime 01:42:31.238 --> 01:42:38.637 let's be off the record, 01:42:38.637 --> 01:42:41.207 the feed for this streaming event brought to you by 01:42:41.218 --> 01:42:44.867 admin monitor dot com operator. Can you call him the 01:42:44.876 --> 01:42:50.908 next person in the QC? And 01:42:50.908 --> 01:42:52.917 are we ready for the next public comment? Your honor 01:42:53.867 --> 01:42:56.667 Yes, we are. Thank you operator. You're welcome. Our 01:42:56.678 --> 01:42:59.057 next public comment comes from Andrew Christie. Your 01:42:59.066 --> 01:43:01.508 line is open. 01:43:01.508 --> 01:43:04.198 Good evening. I'm Andrew Christie. I'm the director 01:43:04.207 --> 01:43:06.816 of the Santa Lucia Chapter of the Sierra Club in San 01:43:06.827 --> 01:43:11.667 Luis Obispo County SB A 46 gives the CPUC the authority 01:43:11.678 --> 01:43:14.847 to reinstate the original retirement date of 2024 and 01:43:14.856 --> 01:43:18.847 2025. If renewable and other zero carbon resources 01:43:18.856 --> 01:43:22.448 adequate to substitute for Demo Canyon are online by 01:43:22.457 --> 01:43:26.066 the end of this year. Such resources demonstrably are 01:43:26.077 --> 01:43:28.928 and will be available and just one of them battery 01:43:28.937 --> 01:43:31.776 storage negates the case for the extension of Dlowe 01:43:32.017 --> 01:43:34.908 Canyon's life beyond the expiration of its current 01:43:34.917 --> 01:43:38.537 license testimony. As noted last May's assessment of 01:43:38.546 --> 01:43:41.187 the North American Electric Reliability Corporation 01:43:41.198 --> 01:43:45.148 Surveying the 2023 outlook for us Western interconnection 01:43:45.468 --> 01:43:48.187 which found that more than two gigawatts of new battery 01:43:48.198 --> 01:43:51.597 energy storage systems will be coming online in California 01:43:51.606 --> 01:43:55.356 this year. That is to say this new tranche of battery 01:43:55.367 --> 01:43:59.117 storage by itself will replace the entire output of 01:43:59.126 --> 01:44:02.758 Diablo Canyon in the next five months. It is estimated 01:44:02.767 --> 01:44:05.738 that Diablo Canyon's output has been repeatedly replaced 01:44:05.747 --> 01:44:09.758 approximately every 1.7 years by the continued growth 01:44:09.767 --> 01:44:13.057 of renewables, rooftop solar and energy efficiency 01:44:13.606 --> 01:44:16.776 You have seen the findings of the joint report of the 01:44:16.787 --> 01:44:20.597 CC and Public Utilities Commission staff from February 01:44:20.606 --> 01:44:24.667 2023 which allow the commission to conclude that new 01:44:24.678 --> 01:44:28.106 renewable energy and zero carbon resources are adequate 01:44:28.117 --> 01:44:31.597 to substitute for the Diablo Canyon power plant meet 01:44:31.606 --> 01:44:34.408 the state's planning standards for energy reliability 01:44:34.577 --> 01:44:37.816 and will be constructed and interconnected by the time 01:44:37.827 --> 01:44:42.787 of your decision. Trust the experts. The canyons energy 01:44:42.796 --> 01:44:45.957 has been and is continuing to be replaced. Therefore 01:44:45.968 --> 01:44:48.827 paying PG need billions of dollars to keep the outlook 01:44:49.097 --> 01:44:52.827 online. Thereby pushing renewable energy sources off 01:44:52.836 --> 01:44:56.948 the grid is antithetical to the state's energy policies 01:44:56.957 --> 01:45:00.937 and a waste of public funds. The Canon's original retirement 01:45:00.948 --> 01:45:06.276 dates of 2024 and 2025 should be reinstated. Thank 01:45:06.287 --> 01:45:08.258 you. 01:45:08.258 --> 01:45:11.658 Thank you, Andrew. I appreciate your comments. Operator 01:45:11.667 --> 01:45:13.488 Can you call the next person in the queue, please? 01:45:14.247 --> 01:45:16.968 Our next public comment comes from Sheila Baker. Your 01:45:16.977 --> 01:45:19.787 line is open. 01:45:19.787 --> 01:45:24.017 Hello, can you hear me? Yes, she we can hear you. Please 01:45:24.026 --> 01:45:26.448 go ahead. Oh, thank you so much. Uh This is Sheila 01:45:26.457 --> 01:45:32.468 Baker, Sheil a Baker bak er and I just wanted to um 01:45:32.477 --> 01:45:38.557 ask that Diablo does get decommissioned in 2024 and 01:45:38.566 --> 01:45:43.758 2025 on schedule as it was intended and uh that it 01:45:43.767 --> 01:45:48.408 would be shut down. Um My principal main concern is 01:45:48.417 --> 01:45:52.988 transportation of the waste and disposal of the waste 01:45:52.997 --> 01:45:59.296 which really affects everyone, not only in in the state 01:45:59.307 --> 01:46:02.428 of California, but everywhere the interim has been 01:46:02.437 --> 01:46:07.526 discussed as being uh taken to um New Mexico or Texas 01:46:07.597 --> 01:46:11.948 and they don't want it. Ok. There is really no place 01:46:11.957 --> 01:46:16.796 for the long term storage. I looked up something called 01:46:16.807 --> 01:46:20.606 deep boring disposal of nuclear waste and it just makes 01:46:20.617 --> 01:46:23.988 my hair stand up on end. I cannot even believe that 01:46:23.997 --> 01:46:27.497 we would strap this for future generations like that 01:46:27.508 --> 01:46:31.977 a couple of 100 years from now. And so transportation 01:46:31.988 --> 01:46:37.042 would be either rail or a highway and it could be very 01:46:37.053 --> 01:46:42.472 very dangerous and it upon having an accident on the 01:46:42.483 --> 01:46:49.783 rail or on the, on the highway. So I am very concerned 01:46:49.792 --> 01:46:52.943 I've always been concerned about the transportation 01:46:52.952 --> 01:46:57.064 and disposal of nuclear waste. I think it's just the 01:46:57.073 --> 01:46:59.990 one thing that we just don't have answers for it and 01:46:59.999 --> 01:47:02.849 we cannot say this is safe or clean. I don't know where 01:47:02.858 --> 01:47:05.530 we get that, but we certainly can't. Also, it would 01:47:05.539 --> 01:47:09.869 cost lots and lots and lots of money for the deep boring 01:47:09.879 --> 01:47:14.959 of storage and or or any kind of storage and we're 01:47:14.970 --> 01:47:18.658 talking like billions probably trillions of dollars 01:47:18.669 --> 01:47:22.376 to deal with this waste. So um I would just like to 01:47:22.387 --> 01:47:26.816 ask that um we consider this, this is our planet, one 01:47:26.827 --> 01:47:30.586 planet. No spare. We have to take care of it. Thank 01:47:30.597 --> 01:47:33.887 you. Thank you, Sheila. I appreciate your comments 01:47:33.898 --> 01:47:37.287 tonight. Operator. Can you call the next person in 01:47:37.296 --> 01:47:40.296 the queue, please? Our next public comment comes from 01:47:40.307 --> 01:47:45.117 Carry Hamilton. Your line is open. 01:47:45.117 --> 01:47:50.008 Hello, my name is Kerry Hamilton. I would like to voice 01:47:50.017 --> 01:47:53.106 my uh 01:47:53.106 --> 01:47:57.207 opinion to deny the extension. Uh Nuclear energy will 01:47:57.218 --> 01:48:01.448 not solve our energy needs. This is short termism thinking 01:48:01.957 --> 01:48:07.398 Um It takes a lot of complexity and cost to maintain 01:48:08.198 --> 01:48:12.488 aside from the negative environmental impacts of storing 01:48:12.497 --> 01:48:17.296 and moving nuclear waste. We today live in a cohesive 01:48:17.307 --> 01:48:20.526 world system that's held together. But if there is 01:48:20.537 --> 01:48:25.678 an event uh with a breakdown of the social complexity 01:48:26.517 --> 01:48:30.957 um it will create an inability to maintain nuclear 01:48:30.968 --> 01:48:35.997 waste in perpetuity and to prevent having a nuclear 01:48:36.008 --> 01:48:43.376 break down and break uh meltdown which would 01:48:43.376 --> 01:48:47.537 uh be a destruction to the ecos. 01:48:47.537 --> 01:48:50.508 We need wide boundary solutions. This is a narrow boundary 01:48:50.517 --> 01:48:56.917 solution. Nuclear energy isn't clean, strengthen instead 01:48:57.017 --> 01:49:00.807 PG need to be strengthening the residential residential 01:49:00.816 --> 01:49:04.287 solar program and net metering instead of going back 01:49:04.296 --> 01:49:10.247 to this nuclear power. Thank you. No, let's do carry 01:49:12.158 --> 01:49:15.316 I appreciate your comment operator. Can you call the 01:49:15.336 --> 01:49:19.488 next person in the? Our next public comment comes from 01:49:19.497 --> 01:49:24.137 Jackie Cabasso. Your line is open. 01:49:24.137 --> 01:49:28.187 Thank you. Thank you 01:49:28.187 --> 01:49:30.648 deeper. 01:49:30.648 --> 01:49:33.417 I appreciate your time. Becky if you're here with us 01:49:33.428 --> 01:49:36.876 Uh Is it possible for you to turn down the podcast 01:49:38.917 --> 01:49:43.488 Yeah. Mhm. Ok. Hello. Can you hear me? Hello, Jackie 01:49:43.497 --> 01:49:46.928 We can hear you much better now. Thank you. Ok. Sure 01:49:46.937 --> 01:49:50.158 My name is Jackie Cabasso. I'm the executive director 01:49:50.167 --> 01:49:53.227 of Western States Legal Foundation based in Oakland 01:49:53.238 --> 01:49:57.077 California, a nonprofit tax exempt organization. It 01:49:57.086 --> 01:50:00.017 was established in 1982 to provide legal support for 01:50:00.026 --> 01:50:02.887 non violent protesters, challenging the construction 01:50:02.898 --> 01:50:06.037 of the Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant and we remain 01:50:06.046 --> 01:50:09.606 firmly opposed to nuclear power. We opposed the proposed 01:50:09.617 --> 01:50:12.287 extension of Diablo Pen's operating life and called 01:50:12.296 --> 01:50:15.816 for full implementation of the 2016 joint proposal 01:50:15.887 --> 01:50:18.816 by Pacific and elected Friends of the Earth at all 01:50:19.448 --> 01:50:22.637 to retire the Abba County nuclear Power plant upon 01:50:22.648 --> 01:50:25.517 expiration of the current operating licenses and replace 01:50:25.526 --> 01:50:28.678 it with a portfolio of greenhouse gas free resources 01:50:29.597 --> 01:50:33.327 I'm not going to comment here on this on this. Uh I 01:50:33.336 --> 01:50:35.626 am going to comment here on this process rather than 01:50:35.637 --> 01:50:38.408 the substance because I have just submitted somewhat 01:50:38.417 --> 01:50:41.238 extensive written comments on behalf of Western States 01:50:41.247 --> 01:50:44.167 Legal Foundation. We received less than a week and 01:50:44.178 --> 01:50:46.707 a half advance notice of this hearing and there was 01:50:46.718 --> 01:50:49.867 no information provided in advance about the modality 01:50:49.876 --> 01:50:52.327 for submitting written comments or character limits 01:50:52.517 --> 01:50:55.347 There was also no deadline provided for written submissions 01:50:55.606 --> 01:50:58.158 I was therefore forced to submit our written comments 01:50:58.167 --> 01:51:01.097 in six parts without the footnotes that is on your 01:51:01.106 --> 01:51:04.457 website. I think this is a pretty shoddy public participation 01:51:04.468 --> 01:51:07.807 process that does not take into account the very serious 01:51:07.816 --> 01:51:10.847 issues at stake and does not offer an opportunity for 01:51:10.856 --> 01:51:14.077 substantial input from concerned citizens and Nongovernmental 01:51:14.086 --> 01:51:17.557 organizations. I'm going to take the liberty of submitting 01:51:17.847 --> 01:51:21.836 the full comments in one piece with footnotes to public 01:51:21.847 --> 01:51:26.327 dot advisor at CPUC dot C A dot gov. And I expect 01:51:26.336 --> 01:51:29.577 the CPUC to allow for meaningful public participation 01:51:29.738 --> 01:51:34.758 in future hearings. 01:51:34.758 --> 01:51:36.586 Thank you, Jackie. Does that conclude your comment 01:51:37.437 --> 01:51:42.017 Yes, it does. Please read my written comments. Thank 01:51:42.026 --> 01:51:44.626 you very much. I appreciate your comments. Tonight 01:51:45.816 --> 01:51:47.836 operator. Can you call in the next person in the queue 01:51:47.847 --> 01:51:51.836 please? Our next public comment comes from Paul Montgomery 01:51:51.847 --> 01:51:56.977 Your line is open. Hello, can you hear me? Yes, Paul 01:51:56.988 --> 01:51:59.758 we can hear you. Please go ahead. Hello, thank you 01:51:59.767 --> 01:52:02.586 for your time. Uh My name is Paul Montgomery. I live 01:52:02.597 --> 01:52:06.336 in Menlo Park and I have a phd in mechanical and aerospace 01:52:06.347 --> 01:52:10.367 engineering from Stanford University. Uh I would like 01:52:10.376 --> 01:52:14.327 to tell the committee that I strongly support the continuation 01:52:14.336 --> 01:52:18.437 of the Alo Canyon nuclear Power plant. Like many of 01:52:18.448 --> 01:52:21.997 the people here arguing against Diablo Canyon Extension 01:52:22.258 --> 01:52:26.198 I believe that climate change is real and results from 01:52:26.207 --> 01:52:30.106 human activity in burning fossil fuels. And for that 01:52:30.117 --> 01:52:36.586 reason, we, you know, we need to have all of the carbon 01:52:36.678 --> 01:52:42.247 free energy that is possible. Our emphasis has to be 01:52:42.258 --> 01:52:46.468 on reducing carbon dioxide. And for this reason, closing 01:52:46.477 --> 01:52:51.468 the Dean below Canyon Nuclear Power Plant which contributes 01:52:51.477 --> 01:52:54.497 nine per cent of California's electricity and about 01:52:54.508 --> 01:52:57.948 50 per cent of California's carbon free electricity 01:52:58.167 --> 01:53:00.526 I think would be very foolish and counterproductive 01:53:00.537 --> 01:53:06.767 to that as uh car Diablo Canyon produces electricity 01:53:06.776 --> 01:53:09.327 at the marginal cost of about 3.5 cents a kilowatt 01:53:09.336 --> 01:53:13.776 hour. And that is the lowest most inexpensive electricity 01:53:13.787 --> 01:53:18.648 that you can get. Finally, as was demonstrated with 01:53:18.658 --> 01:53:20.917 Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant that was closed in 01:53:20.928 --> 01:53:24.356 New York about a year and a half ago. The promise was 01:53:24.367 --> 01:53:29.077 to replace this carbon free electricity with renewables 01:53:29.086 --> 01:53:32.218 And of course, that didn't happen demonstrably. Not 01:53:32.227 --> 01:53:35.497 since we've seen what happened afterwards. The power 01:53:35.508 --> 01:53:38.046 shortfall in New York was immediately replaced with 01:53:38.057 --> 01:53:42.258 gas turbines and of course, power prices went up for 01:53:42.267 --> 01:53:45.867 consumers and so did the co two footprint. So I would 01:53:45.876 --> 01:53:49.597 like to urge the committee to follow the science, follow 01:53:49.606 --> 01:53:52.698 the public opinion, which is absolutely leaning towards 01:53:52.707 --> 01:53:57.086 nuclear energy and extend the. 01:53:57.086 --> 01:54:01.017 Thank you very much. Thank you, Paul. I appreciate 01:54:01.026 --> 01:54:04.077 your comments tonight. Before we move on to the next 01:54:04.086 --> 01:54:06.827 speaker, I want to let people know that we've been 01:54:06.876 --> 01:54:09.227 we've been on for almost two hours now. There are still 01:54:09.238 --> 01:54:12.227 people in the queue that wish to speak. So I think 01:54:12.238 --> 01:54:14.508 now would be a good time to take a 10 minute break 01:54:14.718 --> 01:54:17.816 I think many of us involved in the hearing uh probably 01:54:17.827 --> 01:54:21.356 could use that time for a few minutes. So we will adjourn 01:54:21.367 --> 01:54:25.417 for 10 minutes and reconvene at 805 and continue with 01:54:25.428 --> 01:54:27.707 the speakers in the queue uh for those of you in the 01:54:27.718 --> 01:54:30.227 queue. Uh Please be patient and we will start again 01:54:30.238 --> 01:54:34.336 at 805 off the record. 01:54:34.336 --> 01:54:36.928 The feed for this streaming event brought to you by 01:54:36.937 --> 01:54:40.347 admin monitor dot com will begin momentarily. Thank 01:54:40.356 --> 01:54:45.898 you for your patience 01:54:45.898 --> 01:54:48.037 operator. Can you call in the next person in the queue 01:54:48.046 --> 01:54:51.727 please? 01:54:51.727 --> 01:54:54.707 Our next public comment comes from Jace Pittman. Your 01:54:54.718 --> 01:54:58.336 line is open. 01:54:58.336 --> 01:55:01.626 Hello, my name is Brandon Pitman. I'm from Los Angeles 01:55:02.057 --> 01:55:08.387 and I support support and urge you to support the extension 01:55:08.398 --> 01:55:13.816 of the Diablo Canyon fission energy plants. Um As a 01:55:13.827 --> 01:55:20.807 California resident, I rely on this uh energy plants 01:55:20.816 --> 01:55:24.398 for safe, clean and reliable energy for electricity 01:55:25.767 --> 01:55:30.816 I and I also think that there can be a third party 01:55:30.827 --> 01:55:33.658 expansion inspection of the plants. I don't think keeping 01:55:33.667 --> 01:55:37.137 it open till 2030 inspecting the plants are mutually 01:55:37.148 --> 01:55:41.167 exclusive. Um And furthermore, it may be helpful for 01:55:41.178 --> 01:55:45.648 the commission to present all the facts as facts to 01:55:45.658 --> 01:55:49.586 the public and it seems like not everyone has all the 01:55:49.597 --> 01:55:53.457 same facts and the same information about fission energy 01:55:53.468 --> 01:55:58.307 or the Dia Canon plant specifically. So again, I urge 01:55:58.316 --> 01:56:02.398 you to support the extension of the Diablo Canyon Nuclear 01:56:02.408 --> 01:56:05.398 Power Plant. Thank you. Thank you for your comments 01:56:06.158 --> 01:56:08.238 Uh Operator, can you call in the next person in the 01:56:08.247 --> 01:56:11.566 key, please? Our next public comment comes from Rebecca 01:56:11.577 --> 01:56:17.008 Collins. Your line is open. 01:56:17.008 --> 01:56:22.617 Hi. Thank you. Um I want to say that ratepayers and 01:56:22.626 --> 01:56:25.988 taxpayers should not be ordered to pay PGE billions 01:56:25.997 --> 01:56:29.606 more to keep Diablo online when it's not needed or 01:56:29.617 --> 01:56:33.988 an appropriate resource. The CPU the CPUC should call 01:56:33.997 --> 01:56:36.738 a halt to extended operations and reinstate Diablo 01:56:36.898 --> 01:56:42.106 Canyon 2024 and 2025 retirement date. Firstly, Diao 01:56:42.356 --> 01:56:46.437 Canyon accounts for just 5.5% of state electricity 01:56:46.448 --> 01:56:51.327 for California in 2023 and only 6.2% of the state's 01:56:51.336 --> 01:56:54.928 zero carbon resources. Advocates for extending Diablo 01:56:55.106 --> 01:56:58.488 Canyon have pushed the false narrative that California 01:56:58.497 --> 01:57:01.477 is lagging in meeting its renewable electricity goals 01:57:01.658 --> 01:57:05.997 By next year, 2024 rooftop solar is forecast to provide 01:57:06.008 --> 01:57:09.836 10% of the state's electricity consumption. Far more 01:57:09.847 --> 01:57:14.046 than the 5.5% total electricity supply from Diablo 01:57:14.057 --> 01:57:18.898 Canyon. And the CP C's annual report to its legislature 01:57:18.908 --> 01:57:22.037 on renewable energy shows the state is actually far 01:57:22.046 --> 01:57:25.747 advanced in meeting the state's policy targets. It 01:57:25.758 --> 01:57:29.937 is reported in the annual rate of of the new renewable 01:57:29.948 --> 01:57:36.126 resources that zero carbon combined supply and demand 01:57:36.137 --> 01:57:40.148 side. Electricity resources are displacing Diao Canyon 01:57:40.158 --> 01:57:46.316 approximately one every 1.7 years, which is why Decommissioning 01:57:46.327 --> 01:57:50.066 was undertaken in the first place. In fact, PG and 01:57:50.077 --> 01:57:54.997 was trying to give away its nuclear power to ccas across 01:57:55.008 --> 01:57:59.856 the state just so they could keep it open. SB 8 46 01:57:59.867 --> 01:58:04.158 authorizes extended operations of the Abel Canyon if 01:58:04.167 --> 01:58:09.218 it is needed to address reliability issues. These are 01:58:10.008 --> 01:58:13.586 uh pinpointed by the state that that is a four hour 01:58:13.597 --> 01:58:16.827 period on late summer evening between five and nine 01:58:16.836 --> 01:58:18.787 pm. 01:58:18.787 --> 01:58:22.117 In the summer of 2021 batteries were credited for keeping 01:58:22.126 --> 01:58:27.066 the power on in California in in September 2022 batteries 01:58:27.077 --> 01:58:29.847 and the band response avoided power outages during 01:58:29.856 --> 01:58:32.867 late summer heat waves. Kaiser reports that battery 01:58:32.876 --> 01:58:40.167 storage resources totaling 5600 available on the grid 01:58:40.178 --> 01:58:46.937 This is going, this is slated to increase to 7563 megawatts 01:58:47.617 --> 01:58:51.356 this year. And in 2024 that number will increase to 01:58:51.367 --> 01:58:56.997 13,055 megawatts. 01:58:56.997 --> 01:58:59.448 We have everything we need to get through this summer 01:58:59.457 --> 01:59:03.026 and an additional 35 reserve margin according to the 01:59:03.037 --> 01:59:05.997 North American Electric Reliability Council. Thank 01:59:06.008 --> 01:59:14.026 you so much. Um Rebecca Collins spelt Collin si live 01:59:14.037 --> 01:59:17.937 in Fairfax, California. Thank you so much. Thank you 01:59:17.948 --> 01:59:21.336 Rebecca. I appreciate your comments tonight. Operator 01:59:21.347 --> 01:59:23.267 Can you call the next person in the queue, please? 01:59:23.917 --> 01:59:26.816 Our next public comment comes from Michael in your 01:59:26.827 --> 01:59:29.468 line is open. 01:59:29.468 --> 01:59:33.276 Hello, this is Michael Irene. I'm from Los Angeles 01:59:33.287 --> 01:59:36.046 and I support keeping the Divo Canyon nuclear power 01:59:36.057 --> 01:59:39.207 plant open. As many across California and the US are 01:59:39.218 --> 01:59:41.968 aware right now. This record breaking heat wave during 01:59:41.977 --> 01:59:46.356 July 2023 has been noted as to been reaching temperatures 01:59:46.367 --> 01:59:49.276 nearly impossible without the burning of fossil fuels 01:59:49.287 --> 01:59:53.847 and creating human induced climate change. The attempts 01:59:53.856 --> 01:59:56.387 to shut down Jiau Canyon are counterproductive to our 01:59:56.398 --> 01:59:59.117 urgent need and honestly, critical efforts to reduce 01:59:59.126 --> 02:00:03.457 carbon emissions this evening as the sun set diminishing 02:00:03.468 --> 02:00:06.546 solar power output and the heat dome sapped wind turbines 02:00:06.557 --> 02:00:11.057 of onshore flows. Kiso declared or California ISO declared 02:00:11.066 --> 02:00:14.517 an emergency alert, emergency energy alert watch. And 02:00:14.526 --> 02:00:17.398 without the A Canon stable electric supply right now 02:00:17.477 --> 02:00:20.428 we would likely be nearing rolling blackout conditions 02:00:20.437 --> 02:00:23.158 or firing up even more polluting diesel generators 02:00:23.167 --> 02:00:25.557 and low income communities to keep the grid stable 02:00:25.566 --> 02:00:31.557 like we did in 2020 2021 and 2022 that 5.5% of total 02:00:31.566 --> 02:00:35.488 power supply matters. We need every bit of carbon neutral 02:00:35.497 --> 02:00:38.417 power we can afford and Divo Canyon should remain open 02:00:38.428 --> 02:00:41.158 to help California meet its goal of a decarbonise and 02:00:41.167 --> 02:00:45.698 renewable electric grid. Thank you. Thank you, Michael 02:00:45.707 --> 02:00:48.898 I appreciate your comments tonight. Operator. Do we 02:00:48.908 --> 02:00:52.698 have any more speakers in the queue? That was our last 02:00:52.707 --> 02:00:56.448 public comment? Ok. Well, in that case, I would like 02:00:56.457 --> 02:00:59.347 to thank everyone that participated today. If you would 02:00:59.356 --> 02:01:02.126 like to provide additional comments, you may submit 02:01:02.137 --> 02:01:06.887 written comments at the following website. A PPS dot 02:01:06.898 --> 02:01:20.356 CPUC dot C A dot gov slash C slash R 2301007. And 02:01:20.367 --> 02:01:22.546 for assistance with providing additional comments, 02:01:22.557 --> 02:01:25.807 please contact the commission's public adviser's office 02:01:26.566 --> 02:01:34.617 at public dot advisor at CPUC dot C A dot gov. Commissioner 02:01:34.626 --> 02:01:37.347 Commissioner Douglass, would you like to add any additional 02:01:37.356 --> 02:01:41.606 comments? I just briefly wanted to thank the members 02:01:41.617 --> 02:01:45.758 of the public who dialed in today. Um And I appreciate 02:01:45.767 --> 02:01:49.167 all of their participation and, and uh this back to 02:01:49.178 --> 02:01:52.336 you. Thank you. Right. Thank you, Commissioner. Uh 02:01:52.347 --> 02:01:55.057 This concludes this evening's public participation 02:01:55.066 --> 02:01:58.718 hearing. We will now be off the record. We are adjourned 02:01:58.727 --> 02:01:59.218 Thank you.