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will begin momentarily,
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thank you for your patience.
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The court reporters confirm
they are ready to begin.
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Okay, we will now be on the record.
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The Commission will come to order.
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It is Tuesday, June 22nd, 2021
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and this is the remote
public participation hearing
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for Southern California
Edison's General Rate Case
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Phase 2 application.
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The application number is A20-10-012.
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Please note that the
audio and visual feed
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of this public hearing is being recorded
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and is accessible on the CPUC website.
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If you do not wish to be
recorded, please disconnect now.
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My name is Patrick Doherty
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and I am the assigned
Administrative Law Judge
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for this proceeding.
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I am joined by the Assigned
Commissioner Genevieve Shiroma.
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Commissioner Shiroma,
would you like to make
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any opening remarks?
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Yes, thank you, Judge.
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Good evening, everyone.
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My name is Genevieve Shiroma
and the Assigned Commissioner
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for this case.
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I am pleased to join Judge Doherty
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at this poll participation
hearing today.
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First, I would like to thank all of you
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for attending and voicing your opinions.
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Your comments made here
will be an indispensable part
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of the Commission's
decision making process.
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Your participation in this hearing
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whether you are phoning
in or watching it online,
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is very much appreciated.
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Next, I want to clarify
on the scope of this case
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and Judge Doherty
we'll go into more detail
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and the other presenters.
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This case, which is
about electric racing line
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and is about setting the
rates for different classes
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or types of customers.
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In order to allocate the cost feature
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by the different customer groups.
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The cost feature
itself, the budget itself
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also known as the revenue requirement.
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It is approved in a separate proceeding,
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known as the Southern California
Edison General Rate Case.
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Meanwhile, on the setting
of rates for different classes
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or types of customers,
we welcome your input
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on this very important topic.
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Finally, I'd like to thank those
who have worked so hard
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to make this hearing possible.
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I would like to thank our core
responders Doris Foreman
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and Engineer Ross, our
interpreters Britney Cognis
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and Laura Alcoa, Robert
Stanford and Joel Hager
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with the information technology.
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And Claudia Sanchez,
Morrison Herald, Allison Brown
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and Christine Wallen and Eric Sawyer
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in the public advisor's office.
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I want to give a particularly
big thank you to Jesse Levine
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for your excellent
organization at this hearing.
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I look forward to hearing the
presentations and the comments
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this evening.
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Thank you back to you, Judge.
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Thank you Commissioner.
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As mentioned by the Commissioner,
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the purpose of today's hearing
is for the Commission to hear
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from Southern California
Edison, utility customers
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and members of the public.
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About Southern California
Edison's application
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to set marginal costs
and establish rate designs
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for its customer classes.
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If you have a customer
specific question,
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such as the question
about your bill or service,
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we have an SCE customer
service representative present,
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but encourage you to please contact SCE
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at the following phone numbers for help.
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The first number is (626) 815-7222
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and the second number is (626) 302-0290.
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I will begin by providing
some background
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on the California Public
Utilities Commission
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and the General Rate Case application.
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And then turn it over
to Ms. Alison Brown
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from the Commission's
public advisor's office.
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We will then hear brief statements
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from Southern California Edison
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and the public advocate's office,
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before we begin the public comments.
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If you are participating today
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and would like to
provide public comments,
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you may do so by calling 1-800-857-1917
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entering passcode 1673482
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and pressing star, one on your phone.
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This will alert the operator
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who will begin to cue public speakers.
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Please provide your
name if you wish to speak
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and please refer to
the slide on the screen
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for the information I just read out.
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Now I'd like to provide some background
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on the California Public
Utilities Commission.
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The Public Utilities
Commission is the state agency
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that decides how much money
Southern California Edison
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may earn.
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And the rates that will
be included on your bills
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for electricity service.
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The Commission is comprised
of five Commissioners
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who are appointed by the Governor
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and confirmed by the
California State Senate.
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As the judge in this proceeding,
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I manage the day-to-day
activities of the case.
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The five Commissioners
are the ones who will decide
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with a vote on whether to approve
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Southern California Edison's requests.
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My role as the judge is
to evaluate the evidence
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in the proceeding and to
write a proposed decision based
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on that evidence.
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This proposed decision
will then be considered
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by the five Commissioners,
who will decide
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whether to adopt the proposed decision
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or to adopt their own
alternate decision,
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based on the evidence in the proceeding.
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The current schedule for
this proceeding indicates
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that the Commission
will vote on the decision
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in the first quarter of 2022.
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Now I will provide a summary
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of Southern California
Edison's application.
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This past October, Southern
California Edison submitted
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its General Rate Case,
Phase 2 application
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seeking Commission
approval of its proposal.
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To adopt electric rates
that more accurately reflect
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what it costs to serve
each customer class.
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The proposed electric
rates will be applicable
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for the years, 2022 through 2026.
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We are here today to receive
comments from the public
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on SCEs requests to
change electric rates.
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In its application SCE
proposes rate increases
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for some customer
classes and rate decreases
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for other customer classes.
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There are no new costs being proposed
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in this year's SCE Phase 2 application.
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SCE has currently
proposed to increase rates
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by four tenths of a
cent per kilowatt hour
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for residential customers.
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If the rate request is approved,
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the average non-care monthly bill,
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using 500 kilowatt hours per month
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would increase by
approximately $1 and 18 cents
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or 1.1% a month.
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Agricultural customer rates
would decrease by half a cent,
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a kilowatt hour or 3.2%.
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Street lighting customer rates
would increase by 6.90 cents
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per kilowatt hour or a 33.8%.
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I also want to start by
acknowledging the pain,
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grief and hardships that
COVID-19 has imposed
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throughout our state,
communities and in our daily lives,
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we are holding these
hearings online and by phone.
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I want to emphasize
that public engagement
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remains more important to
the Commission than ever,
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and that we will be
paying careful attention
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to the feedback provided today.
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The basic purpose of today's
hearing is to hear directly
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from Southern California
Edison customers
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and members of the public
about this particular application.
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The Commissioners and
I will pay close attention
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to the opinions expressed
during today's public hearing.
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A court reporter will be
transcribing everything
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that is said today.
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If you speak, I ask that
you speak slowly and clearly
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so that the reporter can
capture everything that is said.
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At the beginning of your comments,
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please spell your first and last name
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and provide your location.
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The written transcript
of today's hearing
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will be posted publicly
on a Commission webpage
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for this proceeding.
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In addition to submitting
oral comments today,
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written comments on SCE's,
GRC Phase 2 application
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may be submitted by going
to the following website,
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cpuc.ca.gov/A2010012Comments.
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And that website address is on the slide
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currently being
displayed on your screen.
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As of this morning, we have received 88
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written public comments.
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And I will now invite Ms. Alison Brown
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of the Commission's
public advisor's office
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to provide guidance on
participation in this proceeding.
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Ms. Brown, please proceed.
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Thank you, Judge.
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Welcome everyone.
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My name is Allison Brown
and I'm the public advisor
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for the CPUC.
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The public advisor's office
assist and advises the public
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with participation in
Commission proceeding.
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We are here as a resource for you.
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I wanna thank you
for participating today.
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As the judge and Commissioner
stated public participation
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and input are essential
to the Commission's
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decision making process.
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This is your opportunity to be heard,
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to share your thoughts
on the application
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with the Administrative Law
Judge and the Commissioner.
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If you have specific
questions about the proceeding
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or about your service,
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please reach out to the
public advisor's office.
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That email address is
public.advisor@cpuc.ca.gov
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or visit the CPUC or Addison
website for more information.
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If you or anyone you know,
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is not able to make a comment today,
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or you think of anything
later you would like to add.
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There are several other
ways to become involved.
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Those interested can
provide written comments
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on today's topic on the docket card.
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Comments can also
be submitted via email,
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U.S postal service mail, or the phone.
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If you wish to find more
information on becoming a party,
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subscribing to this proceeding
or submitting comments
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in any way, please go to our website,
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cpuc.ca.gov or email the public advisor.
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Again, that email address is
public.advisor@cpuc.ca.gov.
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All of this information is
on the notice you received
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for this PPH and on the screen as well.
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We look forward to your comments today.
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Thank you again for joining us, Judge.
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Thank you, Ms. Brown.
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A reminder again, to
please press star, one
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on your phone now so that
the operator can begin to form
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the speaking queue.
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We will now hear from
some of the parties
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in this proceeding,
beginning with a representative
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from Southern California
Edison followed by
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the public advocate's
office, Mr. Robert Thomas,
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director of pricing, design and research
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on behalf of SCE, please proceed.
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Thank you Judge Doherty
and Commissioner Shiroma.
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Thank you everyone for taking time out
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of your busy schedules and participating
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in today's public
participation hearings.
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My name is Rob Thomas
and I'm the director
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of the pricing design, load
research and forecasting groups
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in the regulatory affairs department
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at Southern California Edison Company.
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In this position I'm
responsible for development
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of SCE's rated designs.
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It is a privilege to be here,
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to learn from you and listen
to your input and concerns
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regarding our, regarding
SCE's 2021 General Rate Case
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Phase 2 proceeding.
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Edison recognizes this
proceeding is taking place
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during unprecedented times.
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We understand that our
customers and the communities
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we serve have faced extreme hardships
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during the COVID-19 pandemic.
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Even as we see the state reopening
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and the pandemic receding,
we know how challenging
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2020 and 2021 have been
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and that our customers
may need help with their bills.
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The California Public
Utilities Commission,
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and SCE have put in place
important customer protections
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to help customers with
difficulty paying their bills.
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If you need more information
on those customer protections,
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please go to sce.com
forward slash, bill help
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or call (800) 367-8851 for information
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on money saving programs and tools.
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Additionally, Jerry Aguilar
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from our customer service organization
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is in attendance today
to provide a contact,
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to help resolve any customer
service questions you may have.
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Can we proceed to slide two, please?
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Turning back to this
Phase 2 General Rate Case.
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This case is about
rate, design and issues
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such as how to allocate
or in other words,
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how to divide the total costs authorized
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by the CPUC among
SCE's customer classes,
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based on their respective
costs responsibility.
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These customer classes
include residential,
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commercial industrial,
streetlights and agricultural.
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The proceeding also
addresses how to design
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the specific rates that
are offered to customers.
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What this case is not
about, is the total cost
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that SCE has authorized to
recover from customers and rates.
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That amount is determined
in a separate proceeding.
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In this proceeding SCE
has proposed to change
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how costs are divided
among its customer classes,
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and also propose certain
changes to specific rates
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offered to customers.
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We are currently in the
middle of what we refer to as
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the discovery period, where
parties to the proceeding
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are learning more about our application
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and cost recovery proposal.
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Next in the proceeding,
other interested parties,
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including those that are,
those that represent residential
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and small commercial customer interests,
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will submit their testimony
to present their analysis
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of SCE's application and
recommend adjustments
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to SCE's proposal.
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We expect this
interested party testimony
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to be submitted soon.
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We also anticipate that there
will be evidentiary hearings
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in November so that the
Commission can continue to build
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it's official record of our proposal.
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The overarching theme of
SCE's proposals is to continue
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to carry on the revolutionary steps
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taken in SCE's 2018
GRC Phase 2 proceeding.
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Which included the introduction
of new time of use periods
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and pricing structures
designed to encourage usage
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during periods of generation oversupply
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and discourage usage during distribution
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and generation peak conditions.
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There are currently rate
options designed specifically
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for distributed energy
resource technologies,
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such as solar, energy
storage, electric vehicles,
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and other advanced technologies.
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SCE is proposing to
maintain the current offering
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of rate options for customers
with a few and new offerings
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to further encourage electrification.
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And we can move on
to slide three, please.
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SCE's revenue
allocation proposal results
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in an average rate of
change from a minus 18.9%
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to a positive 33.9% for
various customer groups.
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The primary reason around the variation
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is the result of the movement
towards a more cost of service
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based allocation
relative to current rates.
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Under SCE's proposal,
residential customers
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as a whole inclusive
of care and non-care.
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Residential customer
rates would increase
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by approximately 1.9%.
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We can move on to slide four, please.
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For residential customers
some of SCE's proposals include
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maintaining the baseline
allocation for basic customers
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at the statutory maximum of 60%.
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Offering an incremental baseline option
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for customers with
heat pump water heater.
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And including a rate
rider option dedicated
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for the charging of separately
metered electric vehicles.
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For example, an apartment settings.
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Once again, thank you for attending
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and I'm looking forward
to hearing your comments
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and feedback.
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Thank you Judge, that'd be all.
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Thank you, Mr. Thomas.
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And we will now hear from Crystal Yiu
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from the public advocate's office.
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Thank you Your Honor.
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Good evening Your Honor,
Commissioner Shiroma
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and participants.
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My name is Crystal Yiu,
I'm the attorney representing
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the public advocates office.
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We are also known as Cal Advocates.
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During the public
participation hearing today,
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I will briefly present the
mission of Cal Advocates,
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the role of Cal Advocates in this
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Southern California Edison's
GRC Phase 2 proceeding,
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and the main issues that we
have focused and investigated
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in this proceeding.
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Can we go to the next slide, please?
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The role of Cal Advocates,
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we are an independent
all face within the CPUC.
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The Public Utilities co-provides
for Cal Advocates mission,
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which is to obtain the
lowest possible rate
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for a service consistent with reliable
00:20:44.940 --> 00:20:47.250
and safe service levels.
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To achieve that mission
Cal Advocates participates
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in various CPUC proceedings,
workshops and other forums
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with significant impact on rate payers.
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We have staff with a variety
of background and expertise,
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including engineering,
economics, accounting and finance.
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In the Commission
proceedings and workshops
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we address issues of
consumer protection,
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development of fair
rules for competition
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or other significant policy issues.
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Can you go to the next slide, please?
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Thank you.
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In this GRC Phase 2 proceeding,
Cal Advocates investigate
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the several issues
with significant impact.
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For example, we analyze
Addison's rate proposals
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to verify that they are reasonable
00:21:43.360 --> 00:21:47.910
and in the best interest of
Edison's residential customers,
00:21:47.910 --> 00:21:50.343
as well as small business customers.
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We determine how Edison's
revenue requirements
00:21:54.990 --> 00:21:58.140
should be allocated to
different classes of customers
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for recovery.
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Here revenue requirement is
a Commission approved budget
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in Phase 2 of the General Rate Case.
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With respect to issue
of wildfire mitigation
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related costs, Cal Advocates,
reviews wildfire related costs
00:22:16.950 --> 00:22:21.010
and assigns those costs
to customer classes.
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Specifically Cal Advocates
recommend advocating
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all wildfire related costs using
an equal cents per kilowatt
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and efficient methods
to all customer classes.
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The next issue is the
transportation, electrification costs,
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which assigns electrification,
infrastructure cost
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responsibility to customer classes.
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Can we go to the next slide, please?
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The last topic is the rate design.
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Under residential rate design
baseline allowance means
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how much energy should have
a lower price to the customers.
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Cal Advocate examines
Edison's proposal on retaining
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the maximum baseline
allocation percentage,
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creating a separately metered
rate option for customers
00:23:15.260 --> 00:23:17.490
with electric vehicles.
00:23:17.490 --> 00:23:20.390
And providing baseline
allowance increases
00:23:20.390 --> 00:23:25.390
as an incentive for customers
with heat pump water heaters.
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Cal Advocates also reviews
Southern California Edison's
00:23:29.620 --> 00:23:32.300
proposed small commercial rate designs
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including fixed charges cost
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and time of use rate differentials.
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We make recommendation that
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the Commission adopt Cal
Advocates marginal costs
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for use being rate design.
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Cal Advocates will prepare tax money
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to report these findings
after discovery is completed.
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The probably version of our
tax money will be available
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after June 24th on the CPUC website.
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Thank you, Your Honor, that
concludes my presentation.
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Thank you Ms. Yiu.
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And we will now hear
from members of the public.
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To those who wish to speak
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if you have not done so already,
00:24:11.180 --> 00:24:14.310
please press star one on your phone.
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And the operator will add
you to the queue of speakers.
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If you are not currently
queued at any time
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during the session, and you
decide you would like to speak,
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the line will remain
open for you to join.
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Based on the number of
speakers currently in the queue,
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and to ensure everyone has
the chance to provide comments.
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Each speaker will have a
time limit of five minutes.
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A chime will be sounded
when the five minutes is up.
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And as a reminder to
those waiting on the phone,
00:24:44.940 --> 00:24:48.890
please speak slowly and
clearly so that our court reporters
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may accurately transcribe your comments.
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When the operator lets you
know, it is your turn to speak.
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Please start your comments
by providing your full name,
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spelling your name
and giving your location.
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We will be able to hear you best
00:25:03.320 --> 00:25:06.850
if you speak directly into
your phone or headset.
00:25:06.850 --> 00:25:09.690
Please avoid having
your phone on speaker
00:25:09.690 --> 00:25:11.590
when you are providing comments.
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Please keep comments brief and concise
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to ensure that we can get to everyone.
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And now operator,
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can you call on the first
person in the queue?
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Yes, Your Honor.
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The first person in the
queue is Matthew Affolter
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your line is open.
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Well, hello.
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My name is Matthew Affolter
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and I run the Cottonwood
Laundry Matthalon
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that's A-F-F-O-L-T-E-R.
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And I wanted to thank everyone
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that's come to the table
and I appreciate the ability
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to have my voice heard.
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I have firsthand experience
on how the water rates
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affect my livelihood, my
employees and my family.
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I know we're talking
about residential rates,
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but I wanted to be sure to
include a commercial aspect,
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because I believe we're also talking
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about small commercial rates.
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And I'd like to say three simple things
00:26:04.450 --> 00:26:05.683
before I tell my story.
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Our little island already pays
00:26:08.810 --> 00:26:12.130
some of the highest
water rates in the state,
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and from what I've
heard, even in the country.
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A rate increase to
commercial rates will directly
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and completely destroy my company,
00:26:20.870 --> 00:26:24.590
my livelihood and the
jobs of the people I employ.
00:26:24.590 --> 00:26:26.870
I could not continue my business
00:26:26.870 --> 00:26:28.470
with the proposed rate increase.
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A rate increase will also
depress of the residents
00:26:31.430 --> 00:26:32.560
and visitors of the island,
00:26:32.560 --> 00:26:34.483
the badly needed essential service.
00:26:35.560 --> 00:26:36.470
As a laundromat,
00:26:36.470 --> 00:26:38.980
we use more water than
almost any other company.
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And this thinks our profit
margin and our livelihood tied
00:26:41.800 --> 00:26:43.510
to the water rates.
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Because of the recent increased rates
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we only have two
laundromats left on the island.
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Our residents and visitors
need these types of services.
00:26:51.560 --> 00:26:54.230
Our population cannot
go anywhere else to do it.
00:26:54.230 --> 00:26:55.793
It must be done on the island.
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Let me mince no words.
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A new rate increase
will destroy my company.
00:27:01.550 --> 00:27:04.360
I'll be forced to close,
lay off my employees,
00:27:04.360 --> 00:27:06.040
lose my investment.
00:27:06.040 --> 00:27:09.870
We had already raised our
prices 15% on January 1st,
00:27:09.870 --> 00:27:13.010
even though our water
rate has doubled recently.
00:27:13.010 --> 00:27:16.486
We lost customers because
we've had to increase our rates
00:27:16.486 --> 00:27:19.240
and no amount of price
raising can compensate
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for another increased rate.
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.130
We survived COVID
through sheer determination.
00:27:25.130 --> 00:27:28.810
Many of my friends
and collaborators did not.
00:27:28.810 --> 00:27:31.210
We opted to keep our
essential service going
00:27:31.210 --> 00:27:33.170
because we wanted to
be sure that the community
00:27:33.170 --> 00:27:35.720
would have a safe
place to do their laundry.
00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:38.270
To make that sacrifice so
our company could survive
00:27:38.270 --> 00:27:42.010
the pandemic only to then
be hit with a rate increase.
00:27:42.010 --> 00:27:45.340
Really, so how out of
touch with our community,
00:27:45.340 --> 00:27:48.410
the people who are
requesting this increase are.
00:27:48.410 --> 00:27:50.390
We just went through the
biggest economic downturn
00:27:50.390 --> 00:27:52.200
in decades on our island.
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:54.113
Yeah, SCE wants to raise our rates.
00:27:55.710 --> 00:27:59.343
I know my customers can't
afford a new rate increase,
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not only will it destroy
my small business
00:28:02.500 --> 00:28:05.040
and my employees jobs,
but will reduce available
00:28:05.040 --> 00:28:07.530
essential services for those rate payers
00:28:07.530 --> 00:28:08.780
who reside in that block.
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I appreciate your time,
00:28:11.180 --> 00:28:13.780
and I thank the Commission
for allowing me to speak.
00:28:15.080 --> 00:28:16.570
Thank you
very much Mr. Affolter,
00:28:16.570 --> 00:28:18.710
I appreciate your comments today.
00:28:18.710 --> 00:28:19.703
Thank you.
00:28:21.360 --> 00:28:23.330
Operator, can you
please call on the next person
00:28:23.330 --> 00:28:24.163
in the queue?
00:28:25.591 --> 00:28:26.980
Your Honor,
our comments comes
00:28:26.980 --> 00:28:31.593
from Diana Lee
Luxenberg, your line is open.
00:28:33.890 --> 00:28:37.240
Hello, my name
is Diana D-I-A-N-A,
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:42.240
Lee L-E-E, Luxenberg
L-U-X-E-N-B, like boy, E-R-G.
00:28:46.370 --> 00:28:49.113
And I live in Three Rivers, California.
00:28:50.500 --> 00:28:52.870
I would like to make
a couple of comments
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:57.970
pertaining to the rate increase.
00:28:57.970 --> 00:29:02.113
And also some comments
about Edison in general.
00:29:03.360 --> 00:29:06.410
Edison has been warned
by me multiple times
00:29:06.410 --> 00:29:09.940
that there were water
leaks up here on the flume.
00:29:09.940 --> 00:29:14.940
The flume is how we get our
water to generate electricity
00:29:15.280 --> 00:29:20.117
and Edison has repeatedly
done nothing to fix those leaks.
00:29:23.420 --> 00:29:26.060
I commented before on this
00:29:26.060 --> 00:29:29.620
and to me it speaks of Edison's
00:29:29.620 --> 00:29:31.500
perhaps not on all the departments.
00:29:31.500 --> 00:29:36.500
But up here it's refusal to
look at small, inexpensive,
00:29:38.190 --> 00:29:43.190
cost cutting procedures,
to reduce loss of water
00:29:44.650 --> 00:29:48.290
and therefore to have more of a flow
00:29:48.290 --> 00:29:52.490
and to provide us with
adequate electricity.
00:29:52.490 --> 00:29:54.693
I am on the summer discount program.
00:29:55.760 --> 00:30:00.760
I spent my own money
to get newer appliances
00:30:04.450 --> 00:30:09.450
and also put in over 1000
dollars worth of installation.
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:15.000
I have done what I can to
increase my ability to use less
00:30:17.890 --> 00:30:22.890
and yet, even though I use
the way less than other people,
00:30:23.150 --> 00:30:28.000
Edison's tiers of
three tiers means that.
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:31.510
Even though I'm using
less than the average citizen,
00:30:31.510 --> 00:30:36.180
way less, not only
here, but in other areas,
00:30:36.180 --> 00:30:38.930
I get no cost benefit.
00:30:38.930 --> 00:30:43.110
So if Edison, who, to
whom I've complained
00:30:43.110 --> 00:30:46.300
would consider doing more tiers.
00:30:46.300 --> 00:30:50.160
So that people who
actually are very judicious
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:52.530
about turning off their lights,
00:30:52.530 --> 00:30:57.120
unplugging stuff when they
leave, keeping the temperature
00:30:58.580 --> 00:31:02.270
in the house higher,
cooling their house early
00:31:02.270 --> 00:31:05.173
in the morning when
there's plenty of sun.
00:31:06.330 --> 00:31:10.190
It would behoove them because
then they would be encouraging
00:31:10.190 --> 00:31:13.410
the people who are wasteful to pay more
00:31:13.410 --> 00:31:15.003
and get their act together.
00:31:16.120 --> 00:31:20.760
And they would be rewarding
the people who are already doing
00:31:20.760 --> 00:31:23.040
more than their fair share.
00:31:23.040 --> 00:31:26.250
There was a letter
from Edison that stated
00:31:26.250 --> 00:31:31.250
that we had saved 1000
kilowatts last time they did,
00:31:32.430 --> 00:31:35.520
last year when they were implementing
00:31:35.520 --> 00:31:37.390
their summer discount program.
00:31:37.390 --> 00:31:40.950
Where we have
electricity on for 15 minutes
00:31:40.950 --> 00:31:43.420
and then off for 15 minutes.
00:31:43.420 --> 00:31:46.500
This whole program has been a boondoggle
00:31:46.500 --> 00:31:50.880
because there was no one
intelligent enough at Edison,
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:54.700
to after they had decided which boxes
00:31:54.700 --> 00:31:58.487
they were gonna put on
people's AC conditioners.
00:32:02.050 --> 00:32:05.960
No one tried it out to see that
there were very problematic
00:32:07.180 --> 00:32:11.290
issues, because if you didn't
have a Wi-Fi connected unit,
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:18.760
the way the system was working,
you were basically receiving
00:32:18.760 --> 00:32:21.653
no electricity for 30 minutes.
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:28.570
So to me, it speaks of Edison's failure
00:32:29.940 --> 00:32:34.940
to look into small cost,
saving procedures.
00:32:35.260 --> 00:32:37.910
They had so many people cancel
00:32:37.910 --> 00:32:40.670
who had been on the
summer discount program.
00:32:40.670 --> 00:32:45.670
And if 1000 kilowatts in a
month is actually something
00:32:47.570 --> 00:32:51.140
that makes a big deal,
then Edison is not doing
00:32:51.140 --> 00:32:55.750
their job engineering
wise to give people options.
00:32:55.750 --> 00:32:59.310
They've taken away the
discounts that you could get
00:32:59.310 --> 00:33:02.600
for new refrigerators
and other appliances.
00:33:02.600 --> 00:33:06.460
The discounts that they
do offer are minuscule.
00:33:06.460 --> 00:33:11.460
There's no incentive, but
Edison easily finds a reason
00:33:11.750 --> 00:33:16.750
to raise the rates for
residential customers all the time.
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.880
What are the incentives
for big Ag and streetlights?
00:33:24.390 --> 00:33:27.900
What are the incentives
that they are using
00:33:27.900 --> 00:33:32.530
so that these entities that
use a tremendous amount
00:33:32.530 --> 00:33:34.370
of electricity?
00:33:34.370 --> 00:33:37.240
It costs Edison less to provide it,
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.530
but they still use a tremendous
amount of electricity.
00:33:40.530 --> 00:33:45.029
What are the incentives
for them to use less?
00:33:45.029 --> 00:33:47.817
(bell chiming) very few.
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:55.270
Okay, thank
you, Ms. Luxenberg.
00:33:55.270 --> 00:33:57.800
I appreciate your comments today.
00:33:57.800 --> 00:34:01.080
I am sorry to hear of your
difficulties with Edison,
00:34:01.080 --> 00:34:03.673
but I appreciate you
bringing those to our attention.
00:34:04.550 --> 00:34:09.190
And it just
seems that it's, they got
00:34:09.190 --> 00:34:13.750
some people who were
energy efficient in consulting,
00:34:16.940 --> 00:34:21.340
that they would know
that their time of usage,
00:34:21.340 --> 00:34:24.820
which I had also attempted
to do was slightly asinine.
00:34:24.820 --> 00:34:27.730
Because if you have
solar that's being generated
00:34:27.730 --> 00:34:32.090
during the day, and sometimes
you have excess solar.
00:34:32.090 --> 00:34:35.433
Why are you asking people not to do,
00:34:36.550 --> 00:34:38.730
not to use their
appliances during the day
00:34:38.730 --> 00:34:41.078
when you have the solar available?
00:34:41.078 --> 00:34:44.900
It was like a 12th grade stem student
00:34:44.900 --> 00:34:46.780
could have done a better job.
00:34:46.780 --> 00:34:51.650
And I would encourage
Edison to put out a contest
00:34:51.650 --> 00:34:54.890
where you have a 12th grade stem student
00:34:54.890 --> 00:34:58.660
or a college student
come up with better ideas
00:34:58.660 --> 00:35:00.990
because I'm pretty sure they could.
00:35:00.990 --> 00:35:02.283
Thank you for listening.
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:04.313
No, problem.
00:35:04.313 --> 00:35:05.990
Thank you, Ms. Luxenberg.
00:35:05.990 --> 00:35:07.764
Operator, can you
call on the next person
00:35:07.764 --> 00:35:09.883
in the queue please?
00:35:09.883 --> 00:35:12.853
The next person
in the queue is, Wendy Mello
00:35:13.750 --> 00:35:14.823
your line is open.
00:35:20.590 --> 00:35:21.640
Hey, there.
00:35:22.620 --> 00:35:23.930
Can you hear me?
Hello.
00:35:23.930 --> 00:35:25.060
Yes, we can hear you.
00:35:25.060 --> 00:35:25.893
Great.
00:35:25.893 --> 00:35:30.180
Hi, my name is Wendy Mello,
M-E-L-L-O is my last name.
00:35:30.180 --> 00:35:34.260
And I actually would have
rather done the written comment,
00:35:34.260 --> 00:35:36.210
but at the moment the meeting started,
00:35:36.210 --> 00:35:37.810
I thought I better just call in.
00:35:38.930 --> 00:35:41.630
I actually just, I've been a customer
00:35:41.630 --> 00:35:46.630
I think of Edison for over
30 years since I was an adult.
00:35:48.410 --> 00:35:51.090
And I think they've
always been very fair.
00:35:51.090 --> 00:35:55.570
But what I'm noticing
lately is the kilowatts
00:35:55.570 --> 00:35:59.260
they allow for residential
has gone down.
00:35:59.260 --> 00:36:01.590
Even though I'm actually on a property
00:36:01.590 --> 00:36:05.920
that has a larger lot,
which sometimes for lighting
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:07.720
and stuff can take more electricity.
00:36:08.890 --> 00:36:11.310
But also they've changed it
00:36:11.310 --> 00:36:13.930
to where the rates go by the daytime.
00:36:13.930 --> 00:36:17.250
And when my university closed down
00:36:17.250 --> 00:36:19.430
and I had to start working from home,
00:36:19.430 --> 00:36:20.710
which has been a Godsend
00:36:20.710 --> 00:36:23.420
because I have some mobility issues.
00:36:23.420 --> 00:36:26.640
So I'm doing far better
and we want to hope
00:36:26.640 --> 00:36:30.640
to keep working remote
since this pandemic started.
00:36:30.640 --> 00:36:33.470
But I think remote is
going to be an hybrid,
00:36:33.470 --> 00:36:37.490
the more norm I'm finding
out from the rest of California
00:36:37.490 --> 00:36:40.220
and some of the other state agencies.
00:36:40.220 --> 00:36:45.220
So now I'm footing the bill
to have all of my electronics
00:36:45.860 --> 00:36:48.930
running and working,
and I'm not getting any help
00:36:48.930 --> 00:36:51.680
from my employer and I
don't wanna ask for help.
00:36:51.680 --> 00:36:56.680
Because I appreciate
being able to work remotely.
00:36:57.180 --> 00:37:00.610
So, but now I'm one
of the most efficient,
00:37:00.610 --> 00:37:05.610
I had Edison come and
weatherize my entire home.
00:37:06.080 --> 00:37:08.210
I, they even put a swamp cooler in,
00:37:08.210 --> 00:37:11.730
but I'm telling you I'm
struggling on a fixed income
00:37:11.730 --> 00:37:15.280
because all my adult children
have to move back home
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:17.830
and we're all working remote from home.
00:37:17.830 --> 00:37:22.320
So basically my electrical
needs have gone up,
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.670
but the differences in the
rates such as the eight to five
00:37:25.670 --> 00:37:28.690
has gone up, which is when I'm working
00:37:28.690 --> 00:37:31.020
and as well as the
kilowatts has gone down,
00:37:31.020 --> 00:37:33.500
what's allowed at the lower rate.
00:37:33.500 --> 00:37:34.870
So I'm really struggling.
00:37:34.870 --> 00:37:36.903
And I feel that eventually,
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.450
we may have a new hybrid world here
00:37:40.450 --> 00:37:42.550
with all that we've
learned from the pandemic
00:37:42.550 --> 00:37:45.700
and making work-life balance better.
00:37:45.700 --> 00:37:49.290
But what about the, these
rates are gonna really affect me?
00:37:49.290 --> 00:37:52.860
Right now I'm roasting because
I'm using a swamp cooler
00:37:52.860 --> 00:37:56.740
instead of my air conditioner,
because it's more efficient.
00:37:56.740 --> 00:38:00.390
And Edison helped me to install one,
00:38:00.390 --> 00:38:03.550
but it's also very difficult
to get cool enough
00:38:03.550 --> 00:38:05.850
to be able to tolerate working.
00:38:05.850 --> 00:38:10.040
So I think that if they could
just look at the new things,
00:38:10.040 --> 00:38:13.730
since this pandemic, the
new crisis we've been through
00:38:13.730 --> 00:38:16.930
and how maybe families
and residential families
00:38:16.930 --> 00:38:19.690
may have evolved and changed.
00:38:19.690 --> 00:38:23.733
And that, please take
that into consideration,
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:26.763
whatever you have to do.
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:30.290
I really I don't know how they changed
00:38:30.290 --> 00:38:33.640
all of the time-sensitive rates.
00:38:33.640 --> 00:38:37.800
I don't know how they changed
by lowering the kilowatts
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:41.600
of the baseline because
I didn't find it all bad,
00:38:41.600 --> 00:38:44.370
or I would be speaking
about that heavily.
00:38:44.370 --> 00:38:48.350
Because it's really
changed how I can afford
00:38:48.350 --> 00:38:50.650
having electricity at my house,
00:38:50.650 --> 00:38:54.600
which is so vital right
now to keep my job.
00:38:54.600 --> 00:38:56.540
And if I could retire, I would,
00:38:56.540 --> 00:38:59.770
but I'm not at that point.
00:38:59.770 --> 00:39:03.260
But also I have everybody
else working in my house too,
00:39:03.260 --> 00:39:05.690
because they had nowhere
to go and lost their jobs
00:39:05.690 --> 00:39:06.523
and were.
00:39:07.470 --> 00:39:09.210
So everybody had to shelter at home
00:39:09.210 --> 00:39:11.827
and I had a roof over their head.
00:39:11.827 --> 00:39:14.180
So, we're all using
a ton of electricity.
00:39:14.180 --> 00:39:17.880
So this rate increase could
very much affect families
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:20.580
and the rest of the 10,000 people
00:39:20.580 --> 00:39:22.150
that started working remote,
00:39:22.150 --> 00:39:24.820
just from the campus
alone that I'm with.
00:39:24.820 --> 00:39:29.300
And, as the last person talked about,
00:39:29.300 --> 00:39:33.820
I'm not sure why large
businesses since UCR
00:39:33.820 --> 00:39:36.330
from where I work is the largest
00:39:36.330 --> 00:39:38.650
and third largest in California.
00:39:38.650 --> 00:39:41.340
What incentives their
buildings are ancient,
00:39:41.340 --> 00:39:44.740
what incentives are
they doing to use the less,
00:39:44.740 --> 00:39:47.280
a lot less electricity?
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:50.120
Part of it is we're all
using our electricity
00:39:50.120 --> 00:39:54.133
for our double monitors and
our computers at our own home.
00:39:55.173 --> 00:40:00.173
And so can Edison not
give us allowance or find out,
00:40:01.060 --> 00:40:05.320
are we also working from home as well
00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:07.230
and using electricity for that?
00:40:07.230 --> 00:40:11.960
Even the IRS is not giving
us tax breaks for home office.
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:16.160
So I couldn't even get a
break on my last income tax
00:40:16.160 --> 00:40:19.500
for being fully remote
three people in my house,
00:40:19.500 --> 00:40:23.780
fully remote, working from
home and a lot of electricity.
00:40:23.780 --> 00:40:26.860
Including fans to keep
cool, it's now summer.
00:40:26.860 --> 00:40:28.950
So we're trying to keep cool.
00:40:28.950 --> 00:40:32.450
So, I just want them to consider that.
00:40:32.450 --> 00:40:35.220
And Judge, if you guys
could also think like that,
00:40:35.220 --> 00:40:38.210
you probably are aware of
some of your workers and stuff
00:40:38.210 --> 00:40:39.610
that are probably going through that.
00:40:39.610 --> 00:40:42.370
And so maybe take
that into consideration
00:40:42.370 --> 00:40:46.370
as feedback to help us
out so we can not struggle
00:40:46.370 --> 00:40:48.523
and actually be
productive and efficient.
00:40:49.720 --> 00:40:50.743
Thank you so much.
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:52.950
Thank you, Ms. Mello.
00:40:52.950 --> 00:40:54.890
And I will note for the record that
00:40:54.890 --> 00:40:56.350
I don't have air conditioning
00:40:56.350 --> 00:40:59.900
and the last week has been
very difficult where I live,
00:40:59.900 --> 00:41:02.780
and I've had multiple fans
running to try to keep me cool.
00:41:02.780 --> 00:41:05.251
So I think I understand.
00:41:05.251 --> 00:41:06.084
Thank you.
On what you mean.
00:41:06.084 --> 00:41:09.030
I appreciate
your words to me.
00:41:09.030 --> 00:41:11.040
Well, and I
appreciate your comments
00:41:11.040 --> 00:41:13.120
concerning baseline quantities.
00:41:13.120 --> 00:41:16.190
This is an issue that
several other customers
00:41:16.190 --> 00:41:17.900
have raised in their written comments.
00:41:17.900 --> 00:41:20.680
And so, I will keep an eye on that issue
00:41:20.680 --> 00:41:22.050
as the proceeding goes along.
00:41:22.050 --> 00:41:25.310
And Judge, even
just changing the highest rates,
00:41:25.310 --> 00:41:27.530
being eight to five, when that's,
00:41:27.530 --> 00:41:31.160
when I'm working for my
employer and not for myself.
00:41:31.160 --> 00:41:34.760
I'm not doing laundry, I'm
not using electricity, I'm,
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:38.030
during that eight to
five, I'm using my laptop,
00:41:38.030 --> 00:41:40.160
my double monitors, my printer things,
00:41:40.160 --> 00:41:43.510
and yeah my calculator and the fan.
00:41:43.510 --> 00:41:46.510
So I mean, the rate
being during eight to five
00:41:46.510 --> 00:41:50.380
is really hitting us when
we're working for our jobs.
00:41:50.380 --> 00:41:52.127
And maybe they could
have a program like,
00:41:52.127 --> 00:41:55.870
"Hey, are you working for your
job and not getting subsidies
00:41:55.870 --> 00:41:57.300
for your electricity?
00:41:57.300 --> 00:41:59.400
Maybe you could have a different rate,
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:00.830
or maybe you could have a discount."
00:42:00.830 --> 00:42:03.120
Or that kind of thing
during eight to five,
00:42:03.120 --> 00:42:04.190
something like that.
00:42:04.190 --> 00:42:05.190
Anything would help.
00:42:07.080 --> 00:42:08.293
Thanks again, Judge.
00:42:09.340 --> 00:42:10.173
Thank you, Ms. Mello.
00:42:10.173 --> 00:42:12.524
I do appreciate your
comments this evening.
00:42:12.524 --> 00:42:13.357
Thank you.
00:42:13.357 --> 00:42:14.670
Operator, can
you call on the next person
00:42:14.670 --> 00:42:15.670
in the queue please?
00:42:17.410 --> 00:42:20.150
Our next
caller is Amy Sullivn.
00:42:20.150 --> 00:42:21.273
Your line is open.
00:42:22.900 --> 00:42:25.960
Hello, thank you so
much for taking my comments.
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:30.960
My name is Amy Sullivn, last
name spelled S-U-L-L-I-V-N.
00:42:30.980 --> 00:42:34.310
And I live in View Park in
the heart of Los Angeles.
00:42:34.310 --> 00:42:36.310
And I just wanted to make some comments
00:42:36.310 --> 00:42:38.610
regarding the rate increase
as well as the importance
00:42:38.610 --> 00:42:41.853
of keeping rooftop,
solar accessible to all.
00:42:42.790 --> 00:42:45.140
I've lived in California,
my entire life.
00:42:45.140 --> 00:42:46.430
I grew up in San Diego,
00:42:46.430 --> 00:42:48.810
I went to college in Northern California
00:42:48.810 --> 00:42:52.230
and now I own properties in
both Los Angeles and San Diego.
00:42:52.230 --> 00:42:54.110
I've watched the weather patterns change
00:42:54.110 --> 00:42:57.180
over the recent years,
including hotter longer summers.
00:42:57.180 --> 00:42:59.600
I too grew up without air conditioning
00:42:59.600 --> 00:43:01.333
all about fans these days.
00:43:02.660 --> 00:43:05.480
So I've also seen extensive,
more destructive fire seasons
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:06.670
and extreme droughts.
00:43:06.670 --> 00:43:08.990
I see the difference,
I feel the difference,
00:43:08.990 --> 00:43:12.170
I worry about the future for
myself and all of our children
00:43:12.170 --> 00:43:13.660
and our grandchildren.
00:43:13.660 --> 00:43:16.900
But I also have hope and
we have an opportunity today
00:43:16.900 --> 00:43:18.810
to move things in the right direction
00:43:18.810 --> 00:43:21.380
that protects the environment
for the next generation,
00:43:21.380 --> 00:43:25.650
but also allows for the
utilities to be successful.
00:43:25.650 --> 00:43:28.040
Over the past decade,
I've noticed a surge on solar
00:43:28.040 --> 00:43:30.240
on residential properties
across the state,
00:43:30.240 --> 00:43:31.900
and that excites me.
00:43:31.900 --> 00:43:35.520
We've added solar to our
Los Angeles house last year
00:43:35.520 --> 00:43:37.950
and all the neighbors
came out to inquire about it.
00:43:37.950 --> 00:43:41.380
The people want rooftop
solar, it's finally more accessible
00:43:41.380 --> 00:43:43.860
and affordable and it's
the correct path forward
00:43:43.860 --> 00:43:45.790
to protect the environment.
00:43:45.790 --> 00:43:49.090
Yes, we need large scale
projects that are solar and wind
00:43:49.090 --> 00:43:52.150
to meet our goals, but we
also need local rooftop solar
00:43:52.150 --> 00:43:54.140
to actually achieve them.
00:43:54.140 --> 00:43:57.360
Rooftop is also a cost
savings for our state
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:00.380
and all the rate payers,
whether they have solar or not.
00:44:00.380 --> 00:44:03.193
It benefits all of us to
continue with these programs.
00:44:04.450 --> 00:44:07.800
The houses, and also
like houses already exist.
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:10.930
So it's much less of a
cost for infrastructure
00:44:10.930 --> 00:44:13.650
and less detrimental
to the natural habitat.
00:44:13.650 --> 00:44:16.660
And if we're adding panels
to structures that already exist
00:44:16.660 --> 00:44:19.730
in houses versus going
out into the wilderness
00:44:19.730 --> 00:44:22.860
and adding new solar fields and whatnot.
00:44:22.860 --> 00:44:26.220
Rooftop solar is also
reducing the cost of maintaining
00:44:26.220 --> 00:44:29.970
long distance power lines,
which saves rate payers money.
00:44:29.970 --> 00:44:32.320
And so as a tax payer, a property owner,
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:34.850
a solar owner and a utility customer,
00:44:34.850 --> 00:44:37.210
I would much prefer
that the utility company
00:44:37.210 --> 00:44:40.390
spend their profits and budgets
on keeping current equipment
00:44:40.390 --> 00:44:44.220
from aging, creating
more destructive forest fires
00:44:44.220 --> 00:44:46.670
and then cleaning up the
damage they've already caused.
00:44:46.670 --> 00:44:48.430
And all, as well as helping to create
00:44:48.430 --> 00:44:50.760
a more local power grid infrastructure,
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:52.930
working with rooftop solar customers,
00:44:52.930 --> 00:44:54.670
and businesses toward a collective goal
00:44:54.670 --> 00:44:57.890
of getting off of our
dependence on fossil fuels.
00:44:57.890 --> 00:45:02.890
It's frustrating as a solar
customer to be doing our part,
00:45:02.890 --> 00:45:05.610
to help lower fossil fuels dependents
00:45:05.610 --> 00:45:08.140
and seeing that we're
gonna get an increase,
00:45:08.140 --> 00:45:09.360
a rate increase anyways,
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:10.880
that just makes no sense to me.
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:14.650
We're providing electricity to the grid.
00:45:14.650 --> 00:45:17.980
So with all that, I
request that the CPUC
00:45:17.980 --> 00:45:21.550
keep rooftop solar and battery
storage growing in California
00:45:21.550 --> 00:45:24.620
by continuing to incentivize
solar homeowners
00:45:24.620 --> 00:45:26.840
with net metering market rebates
00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:28.340
for the power supply to the grid.
00:45:28.340 --> 00:45:29.980
And not allowing price gouging
00:45:29.980 --> 00:45:32.820
for connection to the
grid by the utilities.
00:45:32.820 --> 00:45:34.340
I would like you to
make it more equitable
00:45:34.340 --> 00:45:36.350
so that millions of working class people
00:45:36.350 --> 00:45:37.770
can get solar in the coming years.
00:45:37.770 --> 00:45:40.620
Not by cut, by not
cutting the care credit,
00:45:40.620 --> 00:45:45.390
letting that care credit
recipients get the full credit
00:45:45.390 --> 00:45:47.480
and expanding the multifamily homes,
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:49.630
eligibility for net metering.
00:45:49.630 --> 00:45:51.890
And finally don't buy the utility live,
00:45:51.890 --> 00:45:54.290
rooftop solar is costing
other people money.
00:45:54.290 --> 00:45:56.070
Rooftop solar is reducing the cost
00:45:56.070 --> 00:45:57.630
of long distance power lines,
00:45:57.630 --> 00:45:59.730
which are the actual reason
for high rate, blackouts
00:45:59.730 --> 00:46:00.980
and wildfires.
00:46:00.980 --> 00:46:04.630
Thank you again for allowing
us the time for public comment
00:46:04.630 --> 00:46:06.453
and that's all for me, thanks.
00:46:08.270 --> 00:46:10.440
Thank you, Ms. Sullivn.
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:12.690
Operator, can you please
call on the next person
00:46:12.690 --> 00:46:13.523
in the queue?
00:46:15.040 --> 00:46:15.873
Yes, sir.
00:46:15.873 --> 00:46:18.620
Our next caller is Raphael Lopes.
00:46:18.620 --> 00:46:19.820
Your line is open.
00:46:22.180 --> 00:46:26.783
Thank you, my name
is Raphael Lopes, L-O-P-E-S.
00:46:27.890 --> 00:46:29.653
I am a resident of Idaho.
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:34.540
I pay our residential electric bill
00:46:34.540 --> 00:46:39.540
and I have seen no service on investment
00:46:40.600 --> 00:46:43.593
in our community as from
Southern California Edison.
00:46:44.887 --> 00:46:48.390
I also continue to see power outages
00:46:48.390 --> 00:46:52.573
that happened multiple times
per month in our community.
00:46:53.650 --> 00:46:56.560
I also want to register a complaint
00:46:56.560 --> 00:47:00.470
around the dishonest
tactics and harassment
00:47:00.470 --> 00:47:05.393
by entities contracted by
Southern California Edison.
00:47:07.720 --> 00:47:12.720
Requiring, or basically
insinuating that removal of trees
00:47:13.590 --> 00:47:16.003
is necessary on private property,
00:47:18.740 --> 00:47:21.810
which is inaccurate
in terms of the risks
00:47:21.810 --> 00:47:23.963
that they are fighting to residents.
00:47:25.306 --> 00:47:27.450
We are losing many
trees in our community,
00:47:27.450 --> 00:47:30.440
which take 100s of years to grow.
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:32.703
And it's a very unfortunate situation.
00:47:34.080 --> 00:47:37.110
I've made multiple complaints
to Southern California Edison
00:47:37.110 --> 00:47:40.220
about their trespassing on my property
00:47:40.220 --> 00:47:43.160
and the removal of trees
without my authorization.
00:47:43.160 --> 00:47:46.490
Even though I've requested
conversations with them
00:47:46.490 --> 00:47:49.820
before they appear on my property
00:47:49.820 --> 00:47:53.390
or remove any of my trees or foliage
00:47:53.390 --> 00:47:57.053
and those calls have
remained unanswered.
00:47:59.030 --> 00:48:02.940
I also want to make a comment
about how these proceedings
00:48:02.940 --> 00:48:06.470
are disenfranchising other residents
00:48:06.470 --> 00:48:09.540
un-served by Southern California Edison
00:48:09.540 --> 00:48:14.540
due to their subpar
technology that's being used
00:48:15.550 --> 00:48:17.640
on these conferences.
00:48:17.640 --> 00:48:21.830
Which prohibits listening to the audio
00:48:21.830 --> 00:48:26.280
and watching the video to correspond
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:29.920
or to fully participate
in these conferences.
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:31.920
This is very outdated technology.
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.010
I'm actually having to
use two different phones
00:48:34.010 --> 00:48:36.980
in order to call in, make my comments
00:48:36.980 --> 00:48:40.503
and watch the audio presentation.
00:48:43.356 --> 00:48:45.960
Also, there was very
limited notification
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:47.730
I luckily was told by a neighbor
00:48:47.730 --> 00:48:51.170
of this event happening today.
00:48:51.170 --> 00:48:53.530
So people that do not
have access to Facebook
00:48:53.530 --> 00:48:55.520
or other digital technologies,
00:48:55.520 --> 00:48:59.600
unlikely were not
notified of this hearing.
00:48:59.600 --> 00:49:02.900
Disenfranchising them
and making them subject
00:49:02.900 --> 00:49:06.700
to these higher rate
without the opportunity
00:49:06.700 --> 00:49:09.040
to speak up and be heard.
00:49:09.040 --> 00:49:14.040
So based on all of that, I
am asking that the application
00:49:14.040 --> 00:49:17.780
for rating Christie's declines in a,
00:49:17.780 --> 00:49:22.780
I do wanna say that I agree
with the former speaker,
00:49:24.050 --> 00:49:28.220
former residents speaking about trying
00:49:28.220 --> 00:49:31.942
to find creative ways for
people that are working remotely
00:49:31.942 --> 00:49:36.220
to possibly transfer some
of the past burden on that.
00:49:36.220 --> 00:49:38.130
Typically been borne by employers,
00:49:38.130 --> 00:49:39.760
which is now being borne by residents.
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:41.480
I think that's a really fabulous idea
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:44.400
and I concur with that.
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:46.180
I wanna thank you for the opportunity
00:49:46.180 --> 00:49:48.383
to submit my feedback today.
00:49:50.070 --> 00:49:51.300
And thank you Mr. Lopes,
00:49:51.300 --> 00:49:53.003
I appreciate your comments.
00:49:53.003 --> 00:49:56.313
I'm sorry to hear about
your technology issues.
00:49:57.716 --> 00:50:00.190
Well, we'll take that under advisement
00:50:00.190 --> 00:50:02.860
and consider that going forward
00:50:02.860 --> 00:50:04.870
for hearings such as this one.
00:50:04.870 --> 00:50:07.570
So thank you very much for
your comments tonight, sir.
00:50:09.560 --> 00:50:11.490
Operator, can you please
call on the next person
00:50:11.490 --> 00:50:12.323
in the queue?
00:50:14.120 --> 00:50:16.520
Our next
caller is John Winiarz.
00:50:16.520 --> 00:50:17.593
Your line is open.
00:50:19.600 --> 00:50:22.510
Hi, my name is John Winiarz
00:50:22.510 --> 00:50:25.050
I'm calling from Ventura, California.
00:50:25.050 --> 00:50:28.823
Last name is W-I-N-I-A-R-Z.
00:50:31.490 --> 00:50:36.270
And actually, my comment is twofold.
00:50:36.270 --> 00:50:41.200
One is that I do
understand that in California,
00:50:41.200 --> 00:50:45.620
especially with climate
change and the wildfire situation,
00:50:45.620 --> 00:50:48.560
we had in Ventura, one
of the worst fires ever
00:50:48.560 --> 00:50:50.290
in terms of actually burning
00:50:50.290 --> 00:50:54.680
into Ventura City itself
it was the terror of fire.
00:50:54.680 --> 00:50:58.150
Literally almost a year later,
the Woolsey Fire occurred.
00:50:58.150 --> 00:51:02.390
And SCE put out a great
deal of money in costs
00:51:02.390 --> 00:51:04.660
in terms of liability,
00:51:04.660 --> 00:51:09.470
and I do understand as
customers of incurring that cost.
00:51:09.470 --> 00:51:12.770
So that part of it, is something
00:51:12.770 --> 00:51:16.660
I'm looking at in a realistic manner.
00:51:16.660 --> 00:51:19.986
However, I own a 4,200 square foot home.
00:51:19.986 --> 00:51:24.986
And I'm not a very wasteful
person in terms of electricity,
00:51:25.860 --> 00:51:28.540
but recently my tenants moved out.
00:51:28.540 --> 00:51:30.250
I moved back into the property
00:51:30.250 --> 00:51:31.900
and I was shocked by the bill.
00:51:31.900 --> 00:51:36.120
And as I read an article,
literally a few weeks later
00:51:36.120 --> 00:51:38.410
by a lady named Aziza Goin,
00:51:38.410 --> 00:51:41.530
and it says in, and if you don't mind,
00:51:41.530 --> 00:51:44.490
I'll quote it, because
it really is how I feel.
00:51:44.490 --> 00:51:48.710
I recently received a quote on solar
00:51:48.710 --> 00:51:51.940
and I was just blown away
both by the sales tactics
00:51:51.940 --> 00:51:53.900
and also by June the inference,
00:51:53.900 --> 00:51:56.840
that's spending $42,000
when I have almost
00:51:56.840 --> 00:51:59.770
a paid off mortgage, it makes sense.
00:51:59.770 --> 00:52:02.633
But it basically says that our policy,
00:52:03.520 --> 00:52:08.170
our state's approved of
subsidy policy called NEM
00:52:08.170 --> 00:52:10.970
flies in the face of logic.
00:52:10.970 --> 00:52:14.320
Financial incentives,
given to the homeowners
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:16.960
that put rooftop solar in their homes.
00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:20.690
The outdated 25-year old
and contributing program
00:52:20.690 --> 00:52:23.390
is contributing to higher
electric rates across California,
00:52:23.390 --> 00:52:26.760
increasing bills for
customers without solar.
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:30.250
And it settles on to say
the utility reform network
00:52:30.250 --> 00:52:33.640
and other property have, a trying to get
00:52:33.640 --> 00:52:37.080
the unfair car shift must
be fixed before it gets worse.
00:52:37.080 --> 00:52:39.440
Currently customers with rooftop, solar,
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:41.240
is receive a credit
on their electric bill,
00:52:41.240 --> 00:52:44.220
when their system
generates XX electricity,
00:52:44.220 --> 00:52:48.120
this credit is set at or
nearly full retail rate.
00:52:48.120 --> 00:52:50.020
There are two big problems with that.
00:52:50.020 --> 00:52:52.360
The amount utilities
are required to credit
00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:56.340
the rooftop covered, customer
far exceeds solar is eight,
00:52:56.340 --> 00:52:58.620
or for access solar is eight times
00:52:58.620 --> 00:53:01.880
more than they would cost to
buy solar in the open market.
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:04.810
And number two, the
artificially high monthly credit
00:53:04.810 --> 00:53:08.980
mandated by the NET or NEM program.
00:53:08.980 --> 00:53:13.250
These customers with solar
systems are paying nominal bills
00:53:13.250 --> 00:53:15.770
and no longer
contributing their fair share,
00:53:15.770 --> 00:53:18.750
towards the cost of
operating and maintenance
00:53:18.750 --> 00:53:23.750
of the electric grid or
mandated public policy programs.
00:53:23.950 --> 00:53:26.010
And it goes on to say,
"The cost won't go away,
00:53:26.010 --> 00:53:28.810
they get shifted to non-solar customers.
00:53:28.810 --> 00:53:32.100
Non-solar customers end
up paying roughly $200 more
00:53:32.100 --> 00:53:34.950
each year for these
overly generous credit."
00:53:34.950 --> 00:53:35.817
And she goes on to say,
00:53:35.817 --> 00:53:38.413
"If no changes made in
the net metering program,
00:53:39.620 --> 00:53:41.350
this amount will continue
to increase each year
00:53:41.350 --> 00:53:44.390
as more customers install solar."
00:53:44.390 --> 00:53:47.220
But what she's getting to,
which is I'm one of those
00:53:47.220 --> 00:53:50.960
even though, I don't consider
myself in the bottom 40%.
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:53.280
But she says, "Just
like non-solar customers,
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:55.720
solar customers rely on the grid 24/7,
00:53:55.720 --> 00:53:59.170
try to receive energy or
sell energy back to the grid.
00:53:59.170 --> 00:54:04.170
70% of solar adopters are of
the wealthiest 40% of society.
00:54:04.510 --> 00:54:08.470
Lower income Californians
are subsidizing discounts
00:54:08.470 --> 00:54:09.910
for the wealthiest underscoring,
00:54:09.910 --> 00:54:13.140
the glaring inequity
that currently exists."
00:54:13.140 --> 00:54:15.570
And she goes on to say, "Who qualifies
00:54:15.570 --> 00:54:18.380
for low-income
assistance are paying extra
00:54:18.380 --> 00:54:20.100
on their electric bill to cover costs,
00:54:20.100 --> 00:54:21.910
being avoided by wealthy customers
00:54:21.910 --> 00:54:24.220
who install sort of systems."
00:54:24.220 --> 00:54:26.829
And so when she
goes on to say, "In 1995,
00:54:26.829 --> 00:54:29.380
10,000 homes had solar systems,
00:54:29.380 --> 00:54:31.210
today there are over a million systems.
00:54:31.210 --> 00:54:33.270
And the rates for installing the systems
00:54:33.270 --> 00:54:35.650
have fallen by 70%."
00:54:35.650 --> 00:54:37.267
Which she goes, she ends by saying,
00:54:37.267 --> 00:54:39.500
"But because net energy metering credit
00:54:39.500 --> 00:54:43.420
is tied to retail rates, the
credits keep going up."
00:54:43.420 --> 00:54:45.670
And so what she's really suggesting,
00:54:45.670 --> 00:54:48.630
and I would suggest
that SCE look at this
00:54:48.630 --> 00:54:50.900
or Southern California
Edison, excuse me.
00:54:50.900 --> 00:54:53.170
That given California's
clean energy program,
00:54:53.170 --> 00:54:55.840
dramatically falling
rooftop, solar prices.
00:54:55.840 --> 00:54:58.910
And she's not, she's saying
basically when those subsidies
00:54:58.910 --> 00:55:02.230
end up being paid predominantly
by lower income residents.
00:55:02.230 --> 00:55:06.100
And her comment, or
really her push is to get rid
00:55:06.100 --> 00:55:09.030
of the subsidies that are being offered.
00:55:09.030 --> 00:55:11.520
And the purchasing of the solar energy,
00:55:11.520 --> 00:55:14.270
excess solar energy
that's being generated
00:55:14.270 --> 00:55:17.180
and paying if not, not eightfold,
00:55:17.180 --> 00:55:19.240
what it would cost to
buy on the open market,
00:55:19.240 --> 00:55:21.120
but it just paying market rate.
00:55:21.120 --> 00:55:25.800
And passing that cost on to
people who don't have solar
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:28.030
to some extent to
make it more equitable.
00:55:28.030 --> 00:55:29.580
Because if they're
not paying for the grid,
00:55:29.580 --> 00:55:32.330
quite honestly, they are
benefiting from the grid
00:55:32.330 --> 00:55:35.350
when they are not
generating electricity.
00:55:35.350 --> 00:55:37.830
So hopefully that's useful.
00:55:37.830 --> 00:55:40.740
It was something I
normally don't get involved
00:55:40.740 --> 00:55:41.800
in these kinds of hearings,
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:46.800
but I, I'm from a generation
that's used to a $40, $50 bill.
00:55:47.010 --> 00:55:50.650
And when I received my
first bill and it was $290,
00:55:50.650 --> 00:55:53.730
I thought there was an error
and I kept calling and calling.
00:55:53.730 --> 00:55:58.730
And quite frankly, it's
in excess of what people
00:55:59.310 --> 00:56:03.793
should lack, especially with
having survived the COVID.
00:56:05.010 --> 00:56:05.843
Anyway, that's all.
00:56:05.843 --> 00:56:07.100
Thank you, sir.
00:56:07.100 --> 00:56:08.193
Thank you, Mr. Winiarz.
00:56:08.193 --> 00:56:12.077
And I should point out to
both you and Ms. Sullivn
00:56:12.077 --> 00:56:15.053
and I was remiss and not
mentioning this to Ms. Sullivn.
00:56:15.950 --> 00:56:19.860
The Commission currently has
an open proceeding considering
00:56:19.860 --> 00:56:22.023
the structure of net energy metering.
00:56:22.870 --> 00:56:26.500
I would encourage both of
you to submit written comments
00:56:27.510 --> 00:56:30.410
on the Commission's
website for that proceeding.
00:56:30.410 --> 00:56:35.167
The proceeding numbers are 20-08-020.
00:56:37.500 --> 00:56:40.480
And if you have questions about how to
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:44.240
actually submit comments
in that proceeding regarding
00:56:44.240 --> 00:56:45.860
net energy metering.
00:56:45.860 --> 00:56:47.830
Just please get in touch
with our public advisors,
00:56:47.830 --> 00:56:49.260
they can help you with that.
00:56:49.260 --> 00:56:53.113
And their email is
public.advisor@cpuc.ca.gov.
00:56:58.098 --> 00:57:01.140
And I appreciate your
comments tonight, Mr. Winiarz.
00:57:01.140 --> 00:57:02.790
All right, thank you.
00:57:03.970 --> 00:57:04.980
Thank you.
00:57:04.980 --> 00:57:07.010
Operator, are there any other callers
00:57:07.010 --> 00:57:08.160
currently in the queue?
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:13.673
No, sir.
00:57:13.673 --> 00:57:16.693
At this time, I'm sure in no
further callers at this time.
00:57:17.600 --> 00:57:19.793
Okay, let's
be off the record.
00:57:20.640 --> 00:57:23.400
Operator I think I'd just
like to take a three minute
00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:27.430
break off the record and
see if anyone joins the queue.
00:57:27.430 --> 00:57:28.840
And again, if you're on the line
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:30.280
and you would like to provide comment,
00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:33.730
just dial star one, and we'll
get you in to speaking to you.
00:57:33.730 --> 00:57:36.710
So we'll come back in
three minutes at 6:59 p.m.
00:57:36.710 --> 00:57:38.460
and then go back on the record.
00:57:45.180 --> 00:57:48.560
I just wanna make a brief
announcement about coming back
00:57:48.560 --> 00:57:53.390
for a second turn in order
to give everyone a chance
00:57:53.390 --> 00:57:56.533
to speak tonight and
be fair to everyone.
00:57:57.570 --> 00:58:01.070
We're only gonna give
people a chance to speak once
00:58:01.070 --> 00:58:02.650
for their five minutes.
00:58:02.650 --> 00:58:06.020
So unfortunately, if you
wanted to call back in
00:58:06.020 --> 00:58:09.760
and get a second turn, we're
not gonna do that this evening.
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:13.520
However, I do encourage
those of you that want to provide
00:58:13.520 --> 00:58:17.270
more comments on this proceeding
to submit written comments.
00:58:17.270 --> 00:58:20.920
By rule, I am required to read
everyone's written comments
00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:23.840
and summarize those
in the proposed decision
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:24.673
in this proceeding.
00:58:24.673 --> 00:58:27.190
So I will read them, I
can assure you of that.
00:58:27.190 --> 00:58:31.000
So I do encourage you to
do so and the public advisor
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:33.110
can assist you with that.
00:58:33.110 --> 00:58:36.680
So having said that, operator
can you please introduce
00:58:36.680 --> 00:58:38.130
the next person in the queue?
00:58:40.080 --> 00:58:41.430
Thank you, Your Honor.
00:58:41.430 --> 00:58:44.800
Our next comment
comes from Raquel Breck.
00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:45.763
Your line is open.
00:58:50.903 --> 00:58:52.434
Hello.
00:58:52.434 --> 00:58:53.267
Hello Ms. Breck,
00:58:53.267 --> 00:58:55.380
I can hear you.
Hello. Okay, yes.
00:58:55.380 --> 00:58:57.730
The reason I'm calling is because
00:58:57.730 --> 00:59:02.730
just the way people get solar
by spending all of this money,
00:59:03.670 --> 00:59:08.670
I was thinking a lot of us are
low income apartment dwellers
00:59:10.030 --> 00:59:13.300
that are getting high
electric bills, okay?
00:59:13.300 --> 00:59:16.790
And, or, and many of
us are subsidized as well,
00:59:16.790 --> 00:59:21.790
but still the bill is extremely
high, even subsidized.
00:59:22.710 --> 00:59:26.670
So my question is just like,
00:59:28.140 --> 00:59:31.610
television comes via a dish, okay?
00:59:31.610 --> 00:59:33.130
They invented a dish,
00:59:33.130 --> 00:59:35.290
they put it out for apartment dwellers
00:59:35.290 --> 00:59:37.470
and you get television in your home,
00:59:37.470 --> 00:59:39.230
you get programs.
00:59:39.230 --> 00:59:44.230
Or why can't there
be some sort of a dish
00:59:44.720 --> 00:59:49.720
for a sunlight that
will provide electricity
00:59:50.630 --> 00:59:55.630
for apartment dwellers at a
lower rate than we have today?
00:59:56.760 --> 00:59:59.093
That's just a suggestion.
01:00:02.130 --> 01:00:02.963
Thank you, Ms. Breck.
01:00:02.963 --> 01:00:04.433
I appreciate your comments.
01:00:06.070 --> 01:00:07.350
All right, thank you.
01:00:07.350 --> 01:00:08.760
Bye-bye.
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:10.280
Thank you.
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:13.030
Operator, please call on
the next speaker in the queue.
01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:18.150
Our next
caller is Terry Bold.
01:00:18.150 --> 01:00:19.223
Your line is open.
01:00:21.090 --> 01:00:21.990
Great, thank you.
01:00:21.990 --> 01:00:26.990
My last name is Bold,
like the font B-O-L-D.
01:00:27.030 --> 01:00:31.190
So I've been an SCE
customer for 18 years
01:00:31.190 --> 01:00:33.820
and up until last year, every year
01:00:33.820 --> 01:00:37.330
I was signing up for the summer program.
01:00:37.330 --> 01:00:40.910
And last year it just became abusive.
01:00:40.910 --> 01:00:44.960
It was every day and four hours or more,
01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:48.233
where you were cutting
off my air conditioner.
01:00:49.680 --> 01:00:52.230
So I discontinued that plan.
01:00:52.230 --> 01:00:53.540
So my question is,
01:00:53.540 --> 01:00:58.263
what is the purpose of
this great discussion?
01:01:00.030 --> 01:01:05.030
Is it because you can't get
employees back after COVID
01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:09.440
where everybody was home or what?
01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:12.350
That would be my one
question, but all along,
01:01:12.350 --> 01:01:15.427
I've done laundry after 7:00 p.m.,
01:01:16.330 --> 01:01:19.970
moving into California
from the East Coast,
01:01:19.970 --> 01:01:21.323
I followed the rules.
01:01:22.420 --> 01:01:27.420
But it's just abusive to continually get
01:01:27.750 --> 01:01:31.620
more and more increases for the times
01:01:31.620 --> 01:01:35.310
that I use my electricity.
01:01:35.310 --> 01:01:37.410
I've always worked from home,
01:01:37.410 --> 01:01:42.410
my air conditioner is set
to no lower than 80 degrees
01:01:43.580 --> 01:01:44.943
all of these years.
01:01:45.900 --> 01:01:49.990
And my bill keeps going up
01:01:49.990 --> 01:01:52.960
and I'm not getting
anything more for it.
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:56.920
I am not interested
in solar, on my roof.
01:01:56.920 --> 01:02:00.980
I think it's ugly and
it's not gonna happen.
01:02:00.980 --> 01:02:04.003
So what is the ultimate goal?
01:02:04.900 --> 01:02:08.150
I understand that you
need to pay employees
01:02:08.150 --> 01:02:10.050
that are very skilled.
01:02:10.050 --> 01:02:14.390
You need to keep them
involved and keep increasing
01:02:14.390 --> 01:02:17.040
their rates or their pay.
01:02:17.040 --> 01:02:22.040
And, but at the cost of average citizens
01:02:23.550 --> 01:02:26.723
that are paying
attention to all the rules,
01:02:28.260 --> 01:02:32.470
why do we all need to be penalized
01:02:32.470 --> 01:02:34.663
if the rates go up?
01:02:35.530 --> 01:02:38.000
That's, and thank you for listening,
01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:40.603
and that's my only questions.
01:02:42.720 --> 01:02:45.000
Thank you,
thank you, Ms. Bold.
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I would just say that
in this proceeding,
01:02:48.190 --> 01:02:51.470
we are looking at how
Edison designs their rates.
01:02:51.470 --> 01:02:55.390
And so it's not really a question
of how much money Edison
01:02:55.390 --> 01:02:59.870
should receive overall,
that overall number is fixed
01:02:59.870 --> 01:03:01.740
in a different proceeding.
01:03:01.740 --> 01:03:04.690
But I take your point
that Edison has proposed
01:03:04.690 --> 01:03:07.470
to increase residential
rates, nonetheless,
01:03:07.470 --> 01:03:10.020
in this proceeding while other classes
01:03:10.020 --> 01:03:13.970
might see lower rates,
all else being equal.
01:03:13.970 --> 01:03:16.310
And so I take your comments seriously,
01:03:16.310 --> 01:03:17.210
and I hear you on that.
01:03:17.210 --> 01:03:19.910
And that's one of the
issues that will be litigated
01:03:19.910 --> 01:03:23.520
in this proceeding is whether
or not residential customers
01:03:23.520 --> 01:03:26.950
should pay more as a
result of Edison's application.
01:03:26.950 --> 01:03:28.950
So I thank you for your comment tonight.
01:03:33.070 --> 01:03:34.840
Okay, operator, can you
call on the next person
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:35.673
in the queue?
01:03:37.410 --> 01:03:39.920
Our next
caller is Francine Smith.
01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:40.943
Your line is open.
01:03:43.020 --> 01:03:48.020
Hello, appreciate
the opportunity to speak.
01:03:48.130 --> 01:03:53.130
Looking at the numbers, we
pay more than most states.
01:03:53.620 --> 01:03:56.990
And that's part of the
reason a lot of people
01:03:56.990 --> 01:03:58.330
are leaving California.
01:03:58.330 --> 01:04:01.470
Last week my water rates went up,
01:04:01.470 --> 01:04:05.180
last night my sewer
district had a meeting
01:04:05.180 --> 01:04:06.683
to raise the rates.
01:04:07.620 --> 01:04:10.923
And so, yeah, who's
gonna raise our money?
01:04:12.900 --> 01:04:15.930
One thing I'm not, the
tiers kinda confuse me
01:04:15.930 --> 01:04:16.763
and everything.
01:04:16.763 --> 01:04:19.140
And we're looking at disparity,
01:04:19.140 --> 01:04:21.693
the rate option for the electric car.
01:04:23.170 --> 01:04:26.840
Just some of, do they get
a break, do they pay more?
01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:30.760
And some of that goes to
the state to help with the roads,
01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:34.510
because that's the, I don't like oil.
01:04:34.510 --> 01:04:38.100
But I look at people being
able to buy an electric car
01:04:38.100 --> 01:04:43.100
sort of like the other things
we're talking about here that,
01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:49.200
might cost $50,000 to buy
a brand new electric car.
01:04:49.200 --> 01:04:54.200
But Joe Blow driving his,
and paying for the gas tax
01:04:54.970 --> 01:04:57.070
to help our roads.
01:04:57.070 --> 01:05:00.120
He can't afford that electric car
01:05:00.120 --> 01:05:03.390
and he's the one paying the gas tax.
01:05:03.390 --> 01:05:06.450
So I'm wondering do
the electric car people,
01:05:06.450 --> 01:05:09.933
do they pay some kind of
a gas tax I'm not aware of?
01:05:10.980 --> 01:05:13.490
And they're on the road,
they're using the road,
01:05:13.490 --> 01:05:16.970
just like the solar panel
may or use the grid.
01:05:16.970 --> 01:05:19.223
So I kind of have a question about that.
01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:25.920
Also being in an area and
affected by the Thomas Fire.
01:05:28.725 --> 01:05:32.270
I do know that right
away from the Thomas,
01:05:32.270 --> 01:05:37.050
the Woolsey Fire within
a year or two years,
01:05:37.050 --> 01:05:38.993
three years of these fires.
01:05:39.910 --> 01:05:44.420
360 million was paid out
to firefighters and the city
01:05:44.420 --> 01:05:47.150
and the county's good, okay?
01:05:47.150 --> 01:05:50.630
The insurance companies were reimbursed,
01:05:50.630 --> 01:05:54.023
excuse me, 2.2 billion
for the Woolsey Fire.
01:05:54.900 --> 01:05:58.820
At least 1.16 for the Thomas
Fire went out within a year
01:05:58.820 --> 01:06:00.623
or so to the insurance companies.
01:06:01.610 --> 01:06:04.630
There are people who
have never, they've given up
01:06:04.630 --> 01:06:07.310
on being able to rebuild their houses.
01:06:07.310 --> 01:06:10.990
Their, I know that they
settled some personal claims
01:06:10.990 --> 01:06:15.210
with the Montecito mudslides.
01:06:15.210 --> 01:06:17.140
But the people who lost their houses
01:06:17.140 --> 01:06:19.680
and thought they were gonna
die in them on the hillsides
01:06:19.680 --> 01:06:23.420
in Ventura, a lot of
them have just given up
01:06:23.420 --> 01:06:25.453
and sold their properties.
01:06:26.832 --> 01:06:31.832
The fact that it happened,
that the electric company
01:06:32.050 --> 01:06:34.330
should have taken care of these things.
01:06:34.330 --> 01:06:37.640
And at the beach, they put their lines
01:06:37.640 --> 01:06:39.830
underground decades ago.
01:06:39.830 --> 01:06:44.100
But that they can't keep
the maintenance up,
01:06:44.100 --> 01:06:46.410
that's their responsibility.
01:06:46.410 --> 01:06:51.240
But my big question, seeing
these billions of dollars.
01:06:51.240 --> 01:06:54.503
Who's paying for the,
for their lack of oversight?
01:06:55.363 --> 01:06:57.850
Is that why our prices keep going up?
01:06:57.850 --> 01:06:59.920
We're paying, and like I say,
01:06:59.920 --> 01:07:03.070
a lot of the lawsuits
haven't been finished yet.
01:07:03.070 --> 01:07:05.850
So I don't know if that's a question.
01:07:05.850 --> 01:07:07.990
What are the customers paying for?
01:07:07.990 --> 01:07:12.520
I mean, someone said salaries
for their employees, okay.
01:07:12.520 --> 01:07:17.520
But are we paying for the
lack of taking care of business
01:07:17.560 --> 01:07:22.480
that Addison had and
we're paying these lawsuits?
01:07:22.480 --> 01:07:23.313
Thank you.
01:07:24.620 --> 01:07:26.540
Thank you, Ms. Smith.
01:07:26.540 --> 01:07:29.623
Obviously this is, these
are issues in the proceeding,
01:07:30.790 --> 01:07:33.690
not necessarily Edison's culpability
01:07:33.690 --> 01:07:36.100
or responsibilities per se,
01:07:36.100 --> 01:07:39.210
but who should pay for
wildfire mitigation costs.
01:07:39.210 --> 01:07:43.810
I think as Cal Advocates
referred to in their presentation,
01:07:43.810 --> 01:07:45.500
this is one of the
issues they're examining
01:07:45.500 --> 01:07:46.333
in this proceeding.
01:07:46.333 --> 01:07:49.420
And they have a proposal
that's different from Edison's
01:07:49.420 --> 01:07:52.970
and would distribute the
costs of wildfire mitigation
01:07:52.970 --> 01:07:55.000
differently among customers.
01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:57.050
So certainly that is
a question before us
01:07:58.040 --> 01:08:00.560
and that's something
we will be looking at
01:08:00.560 --> 01:08:02.210
in this proceeding.
01:08:02.210 --> 01:08:04.890
With respect to electric vehicle drivers
01:08:04.890 --> 01:08:09.400
I would say that the gas
tax and the road user fees
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:10.943
are beyond my purview.
01:08:11.942 --> 01:08:14.120
I don't know much about those
01:08:14.120 --> 01:08:17.310
my understanding is
EV drivers do pay more
01:08:17.310 --> 01:08:18.420
on the registration.
01:08:18.420 --> 01:08:21.050
I'm not sure how much more to compensate
01:08:21.050 --> 01:08:22.493
for not paying gas taxes.
01:08:23.550 --> 01:08:27.230
But with respect to Edison's
electric vehicle rates,
01:08:27.230 --> 01:08:30.720
to answer your question, no,
they're designed to be neutral.
01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:35.720
So in theory, an average
EV customer should be paying
01:08:36.190 --> 01:08:39.430
Edison, as much money
to keep the grid going
01:08:39.430 --> 01:08:44.250
and to procure their electricity
as a non EV customer.
01:08:44.250 --> 01:08:46.490
The rates are designed
slightly differently
01:08:46.490 --> 01:08:49.760
so that EV drivers pay much
more during peak periods
01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:52.226
and less during off-peak periods,
01:08:52.226 --> 01:08:55.743
as a way to incent them to
charge their EVs off peak.
01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:59.630
However, they are designed to be neutral
01:08:59.630 --> 01:09:01.110
with respect to the technology.
01:09:01.110 --> 01:09:03.780
So I don't know if that exactly
answers your questions,
01:09:03.780 --> 01:09:05.720
but that's the best I can do.
01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:07.390
Thank you.
01:09:07.390 --> 01:09:08.223
Thank you, Ms. Smith.
01:09:08.223 --> 01:09:10.450
I appreciate your comments tonight.
01:09:10.450 --> 01:09:12.510
Operator, do we have
anyone else in the queue
01:09:12.510 --> 01:09:13.560
that wishes to speak?
01:09:14.770 --> 01:09:15.603
No, sir.
01:09:15.603 --> 01:09:17.803
I'm sorry, no further
questions at this time.
01:09:18.790 --> 01:09:22.450
Okay, well, if there's
no one else in the queue,
01:09:22.450 --> 01:09:25.700
then I think we're gonna
call the hearing to an end
01:09:25.700 --> 01:09:26.790
for this evening.
01:09:26.790 --> 01:09:30.650
Again, I encourage those of
you that had follow-up comments
01:09:30.650 --> 01:09:32.610
to certainly post those on our webpage.
01:09:32.610 --> 01:09:35.340
I will be reviewing them
and summarizing them
01:09:35.340 --> 01:09:37.170
in the proposed decision.
01:09:37.170 --> 01:09:39.630
So I do wanna thank
everyone that participated today
01:09:39.630 --> 01:09:42.090
I do appreciate your comments.
01:09:42.090 --> 01:09:45.200
The webpage, where you can
go to make written comments
01:09:45.200 --> 01:09:47.900
appears on the slide on your screen,
01:09:47.900 --> 01:09:50.330
but I'll state the web
address for the record.
01:09:50.330 --> 01:09:55.050
It's cpuc.ca.gov/A2010012Comments
01:10:02.120 --> 01:10:04.550
and for assistance with
providing additional comments,
01:10:04.550 --> 01:10:08.220
please contact the Commission's
public advisor's office
01:10:08.220 --> 01:10:12.623
at public advisor, excuse me,
public.advisor@cpuc.ca.gov.
01:10:17.070 --> 01:10:19.970
Commissioner Shiroma, do you
have any additional comments?
01:10:21.130 --> 01:10:22.680
Yes, thank you, Judge Doherty.
01:10:22.680 --> 01:10:27.680
Just simply to express my
appreciation to all of the members
01:10:28.430 --> 01:10:33.040
of the public who participated
this evening for your input.
01:10:33.040 --> 01:10:35.680
I look forward to working
with Judge Doherty
01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:37.163
on this case.
01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:40.480
I would also like to thank
Ms. Christine Hughes
01:10:40.480 --> 01:10:44.621
of Oak Hill Advocates and Mr. Archines
01:10:44.621 --> 01:10:47.321
of the Philadelphia Essences
that's represented today,
01:10:48.650 --> 01:10:50.493
as Judge Doherty outlined.
01:10:53.360 --> 01:10:55.770
Your public comments are very important
01:10:56.990 --> 01:11:01.990
and all of become litter rotted
01:11:02.070 --> 01:11:04.210
through the public participation period.
01:11:04.210 --> 01:11:07.700
Or through written public comments
01:11:07.700 --> 01:11:10.340
will be carefully considered.
01:11:10.340 --> 01:11:12.950
So, thank you and have a great evening.
01:11:12.950 --> 01:11:16.019
Back to you judge, thank you.
01:11:16.019 --> 01:11:17.810
Thank you, Commissioner Shiroma
01:11:17.810 --> 01:11:19.510
with that, I will conclude
01:11:19.510 --> 01:11:22.070
this evening's public
participation hearing.
01:11:22.070 --> 01:11:23.570
We will now be off the record.