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<v ->Hey, everyone.</v>

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This is Monica.

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Looks like you got the slides.

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So, (murmurs) everything you needed.

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<v ->I think we're all set.</v>

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Thanks for checking.

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<v ->Great.</v>

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Pilar is here.

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Good.

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Okay, y'all have a good session.

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I know there was a couple
of people that had (murmurs).

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So you're gonna have a good session.

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Thanks so much.

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<v Shaun>Hi, good afternoon.</v>

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This is Shaun.

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Can everybody see the PowerPoint?

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<v ->We can see it, Shaun,
but it's not the full screen,</v>

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if there's a way to make
it just a little bit bigger.

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<v Shaun>Okay, I'm sorry.</v>

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Let me just exit out real quick,

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and then I'll open it back up again.

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Sorry about that.

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<v ->Is it because you are using a
PDF and not the PowerPoint?</v>

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<v Shaun>Yeah, let me reopen it up.</v>

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It's open as PDF, but I think I need

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to open it up in a different browser.

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Sorry about that.

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<v ->Okay, thanks.</v>

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Sorry, thank you.

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<v Shaun>Okay, how's that?</v>

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<v ->Looks great.</v>

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Thanks for checking.

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<v Shaun>Okay, thank you.</v>

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<v ->Thanks, Shaun.</v>

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<v Shaun>Yes?</v>

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<v ->Oh, I just wanted
to say thank you.</v>

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<v Shaun>Oh, you're welcome.</v>

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(laughs)

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<v ->Hey, Michael and
Wylen, can you hear me?</v>

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Okay.

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<v ->Yep.</v>

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<v ->So, I'll be
monitoring the chat.</v>

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Is that correct?

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And then summarizing at the end.

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<v ->Yes, I think you
have the biggest job.</v>

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<v ->I know.</v>

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I nailed it, I was like, "Oh
man, this is gonna be hard."

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I'll do my best, but
feel free to help me.

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<v ->Yeah, I think it's
mainly, if you see anything</v>

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that you need to stop
us and just interrupt us,

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I think what we'll probably
rely on you for the most.

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<v ->Are we live already?</v>

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I assume we are, I don't
know if there's a way to--

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<v ->We are live and being recorded.</v>

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And do we wanna start at one sharp,

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or give people a minute to gather?

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Maybe we just ramp up slowly.

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<v ->Yeah, we'll start ramping
up slowly at one, I guess.</v>

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<v ->Yeah, I think we should start</v>

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on time just because
it's a short session,

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but I'm sure people
will be joining us late,

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you know, people will be trickling in,

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but they won't probably miss
too much in the beginning.

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I don't know, actually (murmurs).

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<v ->Okay, we'll start at one.</v>

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Okay.

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Hi, good afternoon.

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So, we're coming 1:00 pm right now.

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I'm just gonna give them
about about 30 seconds or so,

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so more of the participants
and stakeholders can trickle in.

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So, we're starting in about 30 seconds.

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Thank you.

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All right, can you hear me?

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If you guys can hear me?

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Okay, great.

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Welcome to the
communications breakout session.

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My name is Wylen.

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Michael and I will be your
facilitators for this session.

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Just a brief intro about ourselves.

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Michael is the policy
advisor to the director

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of the communications division,
and I'm a regulatory analyst

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in the California
Teleconnect Fund Program.

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So we are thrilled to
be here with all of you.

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Michael and I will be
doing a little bit of talking

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during this session, but
I think more importantly,

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as it's been kind of
talked about this morning,

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we want to hear from you
and we want to brainstorm

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with you on the
telecommunications topics.

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So, just a couple of quick
public service announcements.

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This session is not on the
record, but it is being recorded

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as we speak for follow-up purposes.

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And we are gonna be taking notes.

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Also, unlike this morning,
Spanish interpretation

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is not available for this
particular breakout session,

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so we apologize in advance for that.

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And just a couple other topics,

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wanna thank those who
are behind the scenes,

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who are making everything work for us.

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We're happy to have support from Shaun

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of IT in this session, so I
want to knowledge Shaun here,

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he will be our host today.

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And I also wanna take a
moment to acknowledge

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the support from Commissioner
Guzman Aceves's Office,

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in particular, Sarah, who will

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be help monitoring
our chat room activities,

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and will summarize the session
to provide recap at the end.

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And to Laura, will be
capturing notes for us as well.

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So, without further ado, Shaun,

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can you move to the next slide, please?

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<v ->So, I'll jump in here.</v>

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So, Michael Minkus, I'll
briefly go over the agenda,

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and just before I do, we
were able to figure out a poll

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for Webex, so we can get
a sense of the participants.

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So Shaun, if you could load that up

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that, now, that would be great.

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I'm going to talk over
it about the agenda,

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but I will pause once it's all set,

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and give folks a moment to respond.

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So, we will provide an update

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on some of the telecommunications items

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from the ESJ action
plan in the past year,

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talk about a few items to consider.

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It looks like the poll was loaded too,

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so let me just talk more slowly

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and hopefully you all can respond,

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while I'm going over the agenda.

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So, cover some of the
telecommunications items

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from the last year, look forward

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at some possible
additional topics to include,

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and then have a facilitated discussion

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on the action plan, with a
focus on telecommunications.

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And then, at the end,
Sarah will summarize

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and identify potential
actions and next steps.

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And so, some guidance
about the participation,

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so there's a few ways to
interject or to ask a question.

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and I'll try and go
over those quickly, now.

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So, to ask a verbal
comment or a question,

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you can raise your hand, that's

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the little person in the bottom right.

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Click on that, it
will bring up the list.

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And next to your name,
there's a small icon

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for a hand raise, to raise a hand.

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You could also submit a written comment

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or question and type that into

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the chat box, also in the bottom right.

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Sarah will be monitoring
that, and we'll try

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to keep an eye on it, so that we

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can make sure there's a response.

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And a note there, when
you select the 10 option,

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you have options for who to send it to,

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and sending it to everyone
is best, so we can make sure

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that everyone who
needs to see it gets it.

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Finally, you can submit
a written comment

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or follow up material via email,

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and that will be to
ESJactionplan@cpc.ca.gov.

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And that's the same address that's

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on the first and last slides.

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So, before we start, a reminder

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that this session is being recorded,

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so that we can save all
the feedback and comments.

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And with that, I'll turn
it back over to Wylen.

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<v ->Awesome.</v>

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Thank you, Michael.

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Really appreciate it.

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So Shaun, if you could
move to the next slide, please?

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All right, I'll be talking about some

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of the ongoing ESJ action items that

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are pertaining to telecommunications.

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And these items are actually already

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on the ESG action plan.

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So, I just want to provide

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a little bit of update to some of them.

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Some of the items on
the action plan intend

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and strive to provide access

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to communication services
for the ESJ community.

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And these efforts are being facilitated,

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some of these others
are being facilitated

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by the California Lifeline Program.

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In particular, in April of
2019, in decision in 19-04-021,

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the Commission has approved two pilots.

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They are the CARE pilot
and THE iFoster Pilot.

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Both pilots partner will Boost
Mobile for phone service.

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The CARE Pilot allows
all households enroll

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in the California alternative
rates for energy program,

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also known as the CARE program,

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which is an energy division program

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for low income Californian
households to receive

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a $15 per month off
wireless phone service

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from Boost Mobile.

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The iFoster Pilot is the partnership

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with iFoster, which is a
Truckee based non-profit

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that helps foster youth
across the state to navigate

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the public assistance
programs available to them.

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Through this pilot, iFoster aims

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to distribute three smartphones

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for at least two years of free calling,

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testing, and data services to up

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to 33,000 foster youth across the state.

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In addition to these programs,
there are also other efforts

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on the ESJ action plan that
aim to implement programs

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for strategies for broadband adoption,

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public housing, and Nolan accounts.

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These efforts are being facilitated in

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the California Advanced Service
Fund program, CSF program.

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In 2018, the Commission
adopted several decisions

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towards this effort.

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There is the Broadband Adoption program,

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where $20 million are awarded

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in biannual application cycles.

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Communities with low broadband access,

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and more low broadband
subscription rates

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will be given preference, as
well as low income communities,

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senior communities, and communities that

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are facing socioeconomic
barriers to broadband adoption.

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Then, there's also the CSF Rural

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and Urban Regional Broadband
Consortia Grant Account,

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which provides grants
to eligible consortia

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to facilitate deployment
of broadband services.

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In 2018, the consortia
account reimbursed over

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1.3 million for 17 consortia groups,

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representing about 54 out
of the 58 California counties.

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So, these are just a couple

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of the programs that
we want to highlight.

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There are also other
items on the ESJ action plan

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that I didn't necessarily
highlight here,

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but we are definitely free to discuss

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those later on in this session.

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What I also want to talk
about, and a broader item

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on the ESJ action plan.

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Shaun, could you move
to the next slide please?

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So, great, thank you, Shaun.

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So, in this slide, I wanna talk about

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the affordability proceedings.

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So, one of the key objectives
of the ESJ action plan

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is to develop methods and
processes to assess affordability

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across Commission,
proceedings, and services.

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Before that, wanted to talk

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about Affordability
Proceeding R.18-07-006.

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And just a little bit of
background on this proceeding,

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this is a quasi legislative
proceeding that aims

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to develop a framework to assess

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the affordability of
essential electric, gas,

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water, and communication services

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for residential
households in California.

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So, this proceeding
does not pertain just

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to telecommunications, but also all

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the other essential industries.

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While this proceeding in and of itself

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cannot determine rates, we anticipate

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the Commission will utilize
the results and ongoing efforts

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from this proceeding
to influence its decisions

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on anything related to
residential utility rates,

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including, but not limited to,

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grant proposals and rate cases.

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A bit of status update
on this proceeding.

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In the past year, 2020,
we've hit a few milestones.

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On January 27, 2020, the
Commission staff issued

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a revised staff proposal,
which establishes

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the essential service
level for electric, gas,

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water, and communications services,

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and introduces three metrics

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of measurement to
determine affordability.

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On July 22nd, 2020,
the Commission issued

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decision 20-07-032, which
adopts metrics and methodologies,

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as well as essential
utility service level

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for a residential household.

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As mentioned in the morning session,

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Commission staff is poised to issue

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the first annual affordability
report, later this quarter.

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The report will discuss key findings

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around affordability
of essential services

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across the specific
geographies in California.

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More importantly, it
demonstrates that we now

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have a way, a method,
using the metrics adopted

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in the affordability
proceeding to quantify

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and measure affordability
at an ongoing basis

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we'll have a geographic focus.

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Further, as it pertains
to ESJ priorities,

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it provides avenues
and measurable metrics

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to assess the impact of our GSJ efforts.

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And, in particular,
some of the action items

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that are on our action plan right now.

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At a very minimum, these metrics

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should at least be able to address

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the social justice part of ESJ.

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And I think earlier this morning,

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I think Kathleen mentioned something

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about CalEnviroScreen being a metric

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that can be used to determine some

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of the environmental aspects
of some of the action items.

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I think, on that note, we
believe the affordability

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and metrics can actually
be very applicable

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to some of the socio-economic
component of ESJ.

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Oh, and by the way, I
added some little graphics

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on the slide show, here.

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This is some of the graphics that we use

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for one of our metrics,
the affordability ratio, AR,

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but I just thought it was
cute, just wanna put it in there.

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It was a little shameless
plug on my part.

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But, on a more serious note,

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one last one before we
move to the next topic,

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is that I wanna share the main takeaway

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from one of our upcoming
first annual report,

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which is consistent, and this takeaway

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is pretty consistent
across all industries.

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Affordability challenges are widespread

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across the state of California.

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It is not an urban versus rural issue,

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it is also not a coastal
versus inland issue.

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In any given geography, if combination

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of low income and high
costs of service exists.

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So again, if any combination
in any given geography,

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if there is a combination of
low income and high cost,

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then there will be
affordability challenges.

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For communication, in
particular, until we address

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those very communities
with affordability challenges,

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that digital divide will
only continue to widen.

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So, I think that's enough
on this proceeding, for now.

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I'm gonna go ahead and
I'll turn it over to Michael

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for other items that we wanna discuss.

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<v ->Fun.</v>

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And Shaun, can we get the next slide?

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So, this slide lists a
few high level items,

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that would be topics that
are more recent actions

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that the Commission
has taken, or in the state,

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and we might wanna consider in

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the action plan going forward.

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I have a little more detail on them,

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but I will cover them
at a very high level,

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so that we don't take
away time from discussion.

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So just follow up, if you
would like more detail,

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or discussion on these items.

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So the first one...

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Next slide, please.

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Is the broadband for all proceeding,

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it's this 20-09-001,
has multiple phases.

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Currently is looking
at a very specific topic,

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a staff proposal about
when utilities restore service

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after a fire, how access

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to high quality
infrastructure is maintained.

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These two will look more broadly

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at ways energy investor owned utilities

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can deploy broadband infrastructure

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and provide infrastructure sharing.

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So that's between both
communications providers and between,

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or among, communications
providers and energy utilities.

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And then, phase three
is currently scoped

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to investigate whether
internet service providers

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are not serving certain
communities or neighborhoods.

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The practice we generally
refer to as red lining.

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And if there is red lining,

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measures to mitigate
or eliminate the practice.

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So that's on the broadband for all,

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our broadband infrastructure proceeding.

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Next was in the Governor's
budget announcement,

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which is the slide that's
been on the screen.

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And the Governor covered
two particular topics of interest,

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so, related to access or
whether or not communities

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or individuals can access
high quality infrastructure,

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and have some facts
about certain communities.

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So, number of households
that don't have a connection

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at baseline benchmark speeds, number

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of rural households that
don't, and tribal lands,

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or tribal households that are
disproportionately affected,

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but then also the related topic

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of affordability or adoption,

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so whether or not if a
community has some service,

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whether or not they're able
to afford or use the service.

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And that certainly relates
back to what Wylen covered

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and the interest in the
affordability proceeding.

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So, next slide, please.

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Finally, the Commission took a number

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of actions to respond to the pandemic.

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So, this is a screenshot of
the database and look up tool,

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by zip code, for low
cost internet plans.

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So these are the income qualified plans

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that internet service
providers make available.

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But the Commission also took
action to limit disconnections,

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to support distance
learning with grant funds,

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and expanded Lifeline
to include bundled voice

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and broadband service.

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So these are all
things that we could talk

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about in more detail, if warranted.

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So with that, next slide, please.

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So, now we get to the discussion part.

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We'll take the approach of
trying to hear from everyone,

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before someone speaks multiple times.

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But with that, don't want that,

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wanna really encourage participation.

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So don't hesitate to speak up.

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We'll try and go one question at a time.

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And the ideal with this first question

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would be for us to go
around and everyone

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who's participating, respond.

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So, if you would prefer
not to, just say pass,

00:23:45.418 --> 00:23:47.490
or choose not to speak
up from the first place,

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but so I will read a question
and then look for responses.

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So, the first question is, what
has been your experience,

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or the experience of your
community, with broadband

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or internet access during this pandemic?

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<v ->Michael, did you want
people to raise their hand?</v>

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Sorry.

00:24:13.070 --> 00:24:14.440
<v ->Yeah, that would be ideal.</v>

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We could also potentially,
sort of identify people,

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but I'd prefer not to surprise anyone.

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So yeah, if people could raise

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their hand, that would be great.

00:24:26.577 --> 00:24:29.180
<v ->I see one raised hand
from Leslie Martinez.</v>

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<v Leslie>Hi, this is
Leslie Martinez</v>

00:24:32.470 --> 00:24:33.740
with leadership council.

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Yeah, I think for a question,

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the first question I automatically think

00:24:38.690 --> 00:24:41.740
of the rural communities
that I work alongside,

00:24:41.740 --> 00:24:44.510
who were actually, so
much of the information

00:24:44.510 --> 00:24:46.540
that was made available
by Fresno County during

00:24:46.540 --> 00:24:48.970
the pandemic was only available online.

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To this day, you could still

00:24:50.800 --> 00:24:54.139
can only sign up to
get a vaccine online.

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And I just watched a lot
of community residents

00:24:58.220 --> 00:25:02.120
have to prioritize also having
a broadband in their home,

00:25:02.120 --> 00:25:06.600
so that their kids could turn
in homework assignments,

00:25:06.600 --> 00:25:08.650
when in reality they
were sometimes having

00:25:08.650 --> 00:25:13.650
to prioritize the cost of the
broadband over food and rent.

00:25:14.140 --> 00:25:18.080
And the other, a lot
of, specifically thinking

00:25:18.080 --> 00:25:20.140
in places that have
absolutely no infrastructure

00:25:20.140 --> 00:25:22.310
for broadband, and I mean, even poor,

00:25:22.310 --> 00:25:26.040
like phones, cell service,
connectivity issues,

00:25:26.040 --> 00:25:31.040
so many college students
having to stay in the city

00:25:31.550 --> 00:25:33.670
of Fresno or wherever
they were going to college

00:25:33.670 --> 00:25:37.060
and parents having to
figure out how to pay rent,

00:25:37.060 --> 00:25:38.690
so that their kid could stay there,

00:25:38.690 --> 00:25:41.570
because the internet at home wouldn't

00:25:41.570 --> 00:25:46.140
be able to really
facilitate at home learning.

00:25:47.290 --> 00:25:50.790
But I think the biggest issue is,

00:25:50.790 --> 00:25:53.940
for so many rural unincorporated areas,

00:25:53.940 --> 00:25:55.830
is the complete lack of infrastructure.

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And if there is some
type of infrastructure,

00:25:57.670 --> 00:26:00.450
it's outrageously
expensive, it's unreliable.

00:26:02.246 --> 00:26:07.246
And also, there's not a
whole lot of broadband literacy,

00:26:09.190 --> 00:26:11.910
how folks can protect themselves

00:26:11.910 --> 00:26:15.460
around like some of these
bundles that aren't always made

00:26:15.460 --> 00:26:18.200
to help residents, but rather are scam.

00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:20.790
And I think we saw a lot of
that through the community.

00:26:20.790 --> 00:26:25.790
So just a lot of being,
first and foremost

00:26:26.140 --> 00:26:30.250
definitely feeling cut out
from everything happening,

00:26:30.250 --> 00:26:32.160
specifically when you're staying at home

00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:34.800
and no way to get information.

00:26:36.420 --> 00:26:40.170
And, just having to,
when folks, specifically

00:26:40.170 --> 00:26:41.990
farm working families, who are living,

00:26:41.990 --> 00:26:45.420
and folks who are living
below the poverty line,

00:26:45.420 --> 00:26:48.490
and older folks, as well, who can't,

00:26:48.490 --> 00:26:50.050
like they may not need it for school,

00:26:50.050 --> 00:26:53.270
but they do need it for
tax as basic information.

00:26:55.900 --> 00:26:58.810
They're also cut out a lot
from these types of programs.

00:26:59.980 --> 00:27:01.130
So, yeah.

00:27:02.220 --> 00:27:03.053
Thank you.

00:27:11.090 --> 00:27:11.923
<v ->Great.</v>

00:27:11.923 --> 00:27:12.756
Michael, did you want to call?

00:27:12.756 --> 00:27:16.720
I see we have Martha Armas-Kelly.

00:27:21.750 --> 00:27:24.090
Michael, are you there?

00:27:24.090 --> 00:27:24.923
<v ->Yeah I am.</v>

00:27:24.923 --> 00:27:27.910
Martha, are you able to unmute yourself,

00:27:27.910 --> 00:27:29.960
or should we unmute
you so you can speak?

00:27:36.610 --> 00:27:37.750
<v ->I cannot unmute her.</v>

00:27:38.797 --> 00:27:39.630
<v ->Okay, good afternoon.</v>

00:27:39.630 --> 00:27:41.080
My name is Martha Armas-Kelly,

00:27:41.080 --> 00:27:44.600
I'm with Catholic Charities
Environmental Justice program

00:27:44.600 --> 00:27:46.190
in Stanislaus County.

00:27:46.190 --> 00:27:48.270
I'm in the San Joaquin Valley.

00:27:48.270 --> 00:27:50.160
I reside in Merced, California.

00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:54.320
And my experience
with broadband internet

00:27:54.320 --> 00:27:58.990
had been one of surprise, not so much

00:27:58.990 --> 00:28:03.130
the fact that the
inclusivity wasn't something

00:28:03.130 --> 00:28:05.690
that we we weighed into, but more so

00:28:05.690 --> 00:28:08.980
the ability to be able to utilize

00:28:08.980 --> 00:28:13.170
what was available to
our community residents.

00:28:13.170 --> 00:28:16.040
A lot of our community
residents are monolingual,

00:28:16.040 --> 00:28:20.480
and rely on their children to
have access to the internet.

00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:23.600
They may have phones, they
may have government phones,

00:28:23.600 --> 00:28:27.910
and they are not familiar
with how to navigate through

00:28:27.910 --> 00:28:31.530
the process of getting onto
the internet or using Zoom.

00:28:31.530 --> 00:28:33.010
For those that have government phones,

00:28:33.010 --> 00:28:34.560
they were not able to use their phones

00:28:34.560 --> 00:28:37.410
to have meaningful
engagement, such as this.

00:28:37.410 --> 00:28:41.570
like a Zoom call, no hotspots available,

00:28:41.570 --> 00:28:44.340
with the phones that are
given through the government.

00:28:44.340 --> 00:28:49.340
Also, the cost for those
that needed extra bandwidth

00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:53.540
to create those provisions,

00:28:53.540 --> 00:28:55.390
it was very hard for them to afford it.

00:28:55.390 --> 00:28:58.080
I live in Merced, and
I am in a rural area,

00:28:58.080 --> 00:29:02.100
and I pay over 150 a month for internet,

00:29:02.100 --> 00:29:03.680
because I live in a rural area.

00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:06.310
I can afford this because
of my employment,

00:29:06.310 --> 00:29:08.480
but for others that are in this area,

00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:11.690
it's been quite a
travesty, not being able

00:29:11.690 --> 00:29:14.870
to have connections and
those meaningful relationships

00:29:14.870 --> 00:29:17.900
with their schools, with other points

00:29:17.900 --> 00:29:20.290
of authority, information
that's not afforded

00:29:20.290 --> 00:29:22.240
to them during this pandemic

00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:25.430
has been quite a detriment to many,

00:29:25.430 --> 00:29:28.820
as you can imagine, the
information is not related,

00:29:28.820 --> 00:29:31.550
and then they're relying on
sources such as social media,

00:29:31.550 --> 00:29:36.550
which is not being, I guess,
reviewed or even followed

00:29:36.830 --> 00:29:39.070
as to the integrity of
what is being put out there.

00:29:39.070 --> 00:29:41.840
The language access, another issue

00:29:41.840 --> 00:29:44.850
that has been a big, big factor

00:29:44.850 --> 00:29:47.910
in information getting to our families.

00:29:47.910 --> 00:29:50.020
And again, it goes folks
straight across the board

00:29:50.020 --> 00:29:51.920
that were talking about seniors,

00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:55.200
not only farm workers, but just people

00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:57.950
that are already being marginalized

00:29:57.950 --> 00:30:01.190
are being affected even
at a greater proportion.

00:30:01.190 --> 00:30:05.110
The other thing that I
wanted to express that,

00:30:06.490 --> 00:30:10.040
because there are a lot
of unincorporated areas,

00:30:10.040 --> 00:30:13.610
there was a lot of, I
guess the legalities

00:30:13.610 --> 00:30:16.480
as to who was going
to give the information,

00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:19.270
and when it's a public
information contact,

00:30:22.070 --> 00:30:24.910
we should have some type of enforcement

00:30:24.910 --> 00:30:28.280
on agencies as to the credibility,

00:30:28.280 --> 00:30:30.590
and the responsibility,
and accountability

00:30:30.590 --> 00:30:33.440
to those that are in these areas

00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:34.940
that are not getting the information.

00:30:34.940 --> 00:30:36.770
So, that is what I'd like to share.

00:30:36.770 --> 00:30:37.603
Thank you.

00:30:42.690 --> 00:30:43.740
<v ->Thank you.</v>

00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:44.573
Great.

00:30:44.573 --> 00:30:47.260
Christine, looks like you
have your hand raised,

00:30:47.260 --> 00:30:49.680
if you could speak now.

00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:53.540
And Martha you're
still un-muted if, yep.

00:30:53.540 --> 00:30:55.920
And then, just a quick
request too, for everyone,

00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:58.350
when speaking, or a reminder, if you

00:30:58.350 --> 00:31:01.580
could please identify
yourselves and your organization.

00:31:03.800 --> 00:31:04.633
<v ->Hi, everybody.</v>

00:31:04.633 --> 00:31:06.020
Christine Mailloux with Turn.

00:31:07.790 --> 00:31:11.070
I wanna speak both personally
and as a representative

00:31:11.070 --> 00:31:12.890
of Turn, and certainly
as a representative

00:31:12.890 --> 00:31:14.970
of Turn, we are
getting lots of feedback,

00:31:14.970 --> 00:31:18.130
working with community
partners, about the concerns

00:31:18.130 --> 00:31:19.880
and the issues that we just heard

00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:21.730
the prior two speakers talk about.

00:31:21.730 --> 00:31:23.710
So, I won't repeat those, except

00:31:23.710 --> 00:31:26.430
to say that, yes, we
also are hearing that

00:31:26.430 --> 00:31:28.390
from many of our community partners.

00:31:28.390 --> 00:31:31.620
And to Wylen's point,
it is across the board.

00:31:31.620 --> 00:31:34.170
It is urban, rural, North, South,

00:31:35.410 --> 00:31:38.310
and these problems really do persist

00:31:38.310 --> 00:31:41.690
from a systemic structural basis.

00:31:41.690 --> 00:31:43.810
I will speak personally, though,

00:31:43.810 --> 00:31:46.360
to demonstrate, I think what's amazing

00:31:46.360 --> 00:31:50.700
to me, as somebody who is
sitting in suburban San Diego,

00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:53.800
still the problems that
we're encountering.

00:31:53.800 --> 00:31:56.050
And we probably have
all had this challenge,

00:31:56.050 --> 00:32:00.260
as we rely on this
technology so much more,

00:32:00.260 --> 00:32:03.150
to recognize that it's
really not ready for prime,

00:32:03.150 --> 00:32:05.220
almost no matter where you sit.

00:32:05.220 --> 00:32:10.220
And it has been inhibiting
in the day-to-day work

00:32:12.360 --> 00:32:16.200
and productivity of the workplace.

00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:21.100
And so, I can't imagine,
if affordability is an issue,

00:32:21.100 --> 00:32:23.690
if you are in the least bit of a rural,

00:32:23.690 --> 00:32:27.010
or an area that lacks
coverage, because I will speak

00:32:27.010 --> 00:32:29.980
from personal experience,
we're even having problems,

00:32:29.980 --> 00:32:31.850
and we shouldn't be, because we've got

00:32:31.850 --> 00:32:35.060
the resources to not
have those problems.

00:32:35.060 --> 00:32:39.000
I will also speak as a parent
and somebody who has children

00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:42.520
in the second largest
school district in California,

00:32:42.520 --> 00:32:46.320
in San Diego, to watch
the school districts struggle

00:32:46.320 --> 00:32:50.900
to try to get everybody at
at least a level playing field,

00:32:52.180 --> 00:32:55.150
and the teachers at
a level playing field.

00:32:55.150 --> 00:32:57.890
And it is also there, across the board.

00:32:58.750 --> 00:33:00.470
It's not just the technology,

00:33:00.470 --> 00:33:03.310
you can hand out as many
Chromebooks as you can.

00:33:04.270 --> 00:33:07.890
It is about the comfort
level of those who

00:33:07.890 --> 00:33:10.140
are creating the curriculum and working

00:33:10.140 --> 00:33:13.344
with the students,
the parents, the time.

00:33:13.344 --> 00:33:16.220
And so, this is a structural issue

00:33:16.220 --> 00:33:19.420
that I think we can all
relate to, almost, no matter

00:33:19.420 --> 00:33:21.600
where you sit, but it is so helpful

00:33:21.600 --> 00:33:26.600
to hear stories from folks
that really cover the gamut.

00:33:27.170 --> 00:33:30.520
So, thought I would just
add that on both levels.

00:33:34.340 --> 00:33:36.840
<v ->And then, Stan Santos,
if you could speak now,</v>

00:33:36.840 --> 00:33:39.940
and we will try and
wrap up this question,

00:33:39.940 --> 00:33:42.710
after one or two more, if
others would like to speak.

00:33:42.710 --> 00:33:44.610
So, keep that in mind, so that we have

00:33:44.610 --> 00:33:47.700
a chance to talk about
some of these other questions.

00:33:47.700 --> 00:33:49.250
<v ->Sure, yeah.</v>

00:33:49.250 --> 00:33:50.500
Yeah, this could go long.

00:33:51.450 --> 00:33:54.880
I guess, speaking, 'cause
that could speak as a parent,

00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:58.050
as well as a community volunteer.

00:33:58.050 --> 00:34:00.440
And I've been out to the Mendotas,

00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:02.310
I just spoke to somebody yesterday

00:34:02.310 --> 00:34:05.070
on the Tule reservation,
huge reservation,

00:34:06.390 --> 00:34:09.820
and the problems are the same
as everybody has mentioned.

00:34:09.820 --> 00:34:12.300
So I won't repeat the same issue,

00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:14.860
except that I'm just amazed that there

00:34:14.860 --> 00:34:16.320
are still some communities where

00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:20.090
the wifi hotspots did not work,

00:34:20.090 --> 00:34:22.350
and communities that got them all

00:34:22.350 --> 00:34:25.270
the way into October, November.

00:34:25.270 --> 00:34:27.610
And it seems like it
was always a patchwork,

00:34:27.610 --> 00:34:32.310
like as if it had to come
from each school district

00:34:32.310 --> 00:34:34.960
to make the request and to go through

00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:36.860
some type of procedure of paperwork.

00:34:36.860 --> 00:34:39.410
And that was very disconcerting

00:34:39.410 --> 00:34:42.430
that the rollout was so uneven.

00:34:42.430 --> 00:34:44.680
But I'll finish with this,
because this is unique.

00:34:44.680 --> 00:34:46.710
I'm an employee of AT and T,

00:34:46.710 --> 00:34:48.860
and I've been on these Zoom calls now

00:34:48.860 --> 00:34:50.980
for several months, and all kinds

00:34:50.980 --> 00:34:54.230
of meetings with community
groups, with agencies.

00:34:54.230 --> 00:34:55.490
And I don't see the ilex here,

00:34:55.490 --> 00:34:57.170
I don't see the representatives

00:34:57.170 --> 00:35:02.170
of AT&amp;T, and Verizon,
and T-Mobile and Frontier.

00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:03.753
Where are they?

00:35:03.753 --> 00:35:07.590
Where are their external
affairs and legislative directors,

00:35:07.590 --> 00:35:10.970
and how come they're
not also participating

00:35:10.970 --> 00:35:12.840
in the public view?

00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:14.260
And, they're having backing meetings,

00:35:14.260 --> 00:35:16.550
and they're doing
things, but it's, you know,

00:35:16.550 --> 00:35:18.240
everything that they do, it seems like

00:35:18.240 --> 00:35:20.240
it's under the guise of proprietary.

00:35:20.240 --> 00:35:21.430
That has to end.

00:35:21.430 --> 00:35:23.660
This should not be proprietary.

00:35:23.660 --> 00:35:27.410
This whole dilemma is
not a proprietary dilemma.

00:35:27.410 --> 00:35:29.720
It's the community dilemma.

00:35:29.720 --> 00:35:31.680
I wish they would address it more open.

00:35:31.680 --> 00:35:32.907
But, I'll leave it at that.

00:35:32.907 --> 00:35:37.907
Thank you.

00:35:39.910 --> 00:35:40.743
<v ->Thank you.</v>

00:35:40.743 --> 00:35:45.743
And I'm not seeing any other
responses to this question.

00:35:45.850 --> 00:35:47.750
So I would propose that we take two

00:35:47.750 --> 00:35:50.670
and three together to
make sure that we can also,

00:35:50.670 --> 00:35:52.540
we had a chance to talk about sort of

00:35:52.540 --> 00:35:56.150
the policy level aspects, which is both

00:35:56.150 --> 00:35:59.070
in the action plan items from last year

00:35:59.070 --> 00:36:02.220
on telecommunications and going forward

00:36:02.220 --> 00:36:06.580
do we need to look at ways that

00:36:06.580 --> 00:36:10.450
the programs or impact
can be analyzed on

00:36:10.450 --> 00:36:15.120
a more specific geographic
or neighborhood level?

00:36:15.120 --> 00:36:17.490
And then, what, if any, are some of

00:36:17.490 --> 00:36:20.140
these key ESJ issues that we want

00:36:20.140 --> 00:36:23.770
to consider highlighting
or incorporating

00:36:23.770 --> 00:36:26.040
in the action plan going forward?

00:36:26.040 --> 00:36:27.700
So, let me read the questions,

00:36:27.700 --> 00:36:30.140
and then we'll open it up for comments.

00:36:30.140 --> 00:36:32.120
So, how can we better
understand the impact

00:36:32.120 --> 00:36:34.420
of our programs from a geographic angle?

00:36:35.620 --> 00:36:39.070
And, what are some other key ESJ issues

00:36:39.070 --> 00:36:41.820
and telecommunications
that we have not highlighted?

00:36:51.500 --> 00:36:54.450
I see that Leslie Martinez
has a hand raised.

00:36:55.600 --> 00:36:58.450
<v Leslie>Hi, yeah, Leslie
Martinez, Leadership Council.</v>

00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:03.170
You know, there's a few
things to these questions.

00:37:03.170 --> 00:37:07.460
The first one is, in the beginning of,

00:37:07.460 --> 00:37:09.450
we've always known
that this digital divide

00:37:09.450 --> 00:37:11.630
has been present, I
don't think it's a new thing.

00:37:11.630 --> 00:37:12.990
I think it definitely was elevated

00:37:12.990 --> 00:37:14.330
through the times of COVID.

00:37:14.330 --> 00:37:16.150
But one thing that
was really interesting is

00:37:16.150 --> 00:37:19.020
while trying to figure out solutions,

00:37:19.020 --> 00:37:21.020
I know that the
broadband for all programs,

00:37:21.020 --> 00:37:22.770
specifically for rural communities,

00:37:23.814 --> 00:37:26.790
there needs to be some sort
of like technical assistance

00:37:26.790 --> 00:37:29.060
for jurisdictions, or an incentive

00:37:29.060 --> 00:37:31.616
to get them to apply for these programs,

00:37:31.616 --> 00:37:35.420
because it was nearly
impossible to get any

00:37:35.420 --> 00:37:37.210
of the jurisdictions in
the San Joaquin Valley

00:37:37.210 --> 00:37:39.650
and in the East Coachella Valleys

00:37:39.650 --> 00:37:42.310
to apply for these
programs, to get access,

00:37:42.310 --> 00:37:45.266
so that folks could get access to them.

00:37:45.266 --> 00:37:49.100
And, it just prolongs the issue.

00:37:49.100 --> 00:37:54.100
And often, it's, whenever
there's programs like this,

00:37:54.630 --> 00:37:57.030
specifically in the
East Coachella Valley

00:37:57.030 --> 00:38:01.070
and San Joaquin Valley,
it is often put on CBOs

00:38:01.070 --> 00:38:03.890
to do the heavy lifting,
who are not experts

00:38:03.890 --> 00:38:07.480
at addressing these types of issues.

00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:09.660
They just know it's an issue and that

00:38:09.660 --> 00:38:14.660
we're more policy-based, but
there needs to be some sense

00:38:15.030 --> 00:38:19.969
of responsibility also
for, on jurisdictions,

00:38:19.969 --> 00:38:23.280
and I think the providers to, for them

00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:24.780
to come up with an action plan

00:38:25.750 --> 00:38:28.140
to address the needs of communities.

00:38:28.140 --> 00:38:29.820
And then, the other thing that I think

00:38:29.820 --> 00:38:31.720
is really important to address is just

00:38:33.284 --> 00:38:36.273
how these programs really
cut mobile home parks,

00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.800
specifically thinking in
the East Coachella Valley,

00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:44.950
where the infrastructure,
and it goes back to energy,

00:38:44.950 --> 00:38:47.570
but how the energy is not reliable,

00:38:47.570 --> 00:38:50.010
and so, therefore the internet

00:38:50.010 --> 00:38:52.320
is not reliable for a lot of folks.

00:38:54.380 --> 00:38:55.590
And again, just like really trying

00:38:55.590 --> 00:38:58.770
to have access where there is no access

00:38:58.770 --> 00:39:01.240
for folks with mobile homes to

00:39:04.490 --> 00:39:06.210
also have access to the broadband.

00:39:07.980 --> 00:39:08.813
Thank you.

00:39:15.250 --> 00:39:16.083
<v ->Thank you.</v>

00:39:16.083 --> 00:39:17.950
And I wanna acknowledge the comment

00:39:17.950 --> 00:39:22.900
in the chat about the need, or interest,

00:39:22.900 --> 00:39:25.320
in incorporating incarcerated people

00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:27.950
communication services,
and we will make open up

00:39:27.950 --> 00:39:30.300
the Commission this
year to look at that topic.

00:39:32.730 --> 00:39:34.770
So, Leslie, I see your
hand is still raised,

00:39:34.770 --> 00:39:36.570
if you would like to unraise it.

00:39:36.570 --> 00:39:37.840
And, Christine.

00:39:40.040 --> 00:39:42.140
<v ->Yeah, I'm happy to
have others weigh in.</v>

00:39:42.140 --> 00:39:44.670
I don't mean to dominate at all,

00:39:44.670 --> 00:39:47.410
so hopefully, but I did, I
had a thought as Wylen

00:39:47.410 --> 00:39:50.180
was talking that kind of
relates to number three.

00:39:50.180 --> 00:39:52.750
And he highlighted, rightfully so,

00:39:52.750 --> 00:39:54.830
some of the good public purpose programs

00:39:54.830 --> 00:39:56.870
that are being worked
on by the Commission.

00:39:56.870 --> 00:39:59.680
But I wanna highlight that I think all

00:39:59.680 --> 00:40:02.590
of the public purpose programs
that the Commission works

00:40:02.590 --> 00:40:07.590
on really do relate to this
ESJ and social justice approach

00:40:08.640 --> 00:40:12.020
to access and telecommunications issues.

00:40:12.020 --> 00:40:13.840
And sometimes I
feel like that gets lost.

00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:15.870
And so, I'm hoping
particularly something

00:40:15.870 --> 00:40:19.190
like the teleconnect
fund, really, as we saw

00:40:19.190 --> 00:40:20.840
at the beginning of the
pandemic and the use

00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:25.340
of the telekinetic fund to
shift a little bit and focus

00:40:25.340 --> 00:40:27.830
on the school districts and schools.

00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:31.720
But yet, prior to the pandemic,

00:40:31.720 --> 00:40:33.720
I know we were having
a hard time getting

00:40:33.720 --> 00:40:37.320
the telekinetic fund to
be applied more broadly

00:40:38.180 --> 00:40:43.180
to services that CBOs might
use, or in a more flexible way.

00:40:43.980 --> 00:40:48.020
And so, I'm hoping that as we
work more on this action plan,

00:40:48.020 --> 00:40:52.290
and we do try to
incorporate a true connection

00:40:52.290 --> 00:40:55.320
to a social justice lens
in almost everything

00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.410
the Commission does, that really all

00:40:57.410 --> 00:41:00.370
of the public purpose
programs, including CASF,

00:41:00.370 --> 00:41:03.830
more broadly, not just
the adoption account,

00:41:03.830 --> 00:41:07.290
or just the consortia
account, telekinetic fund,

00:41:07.290 --> 00:41:12.060
maybe even DDTP, can
be viewed more broadly

00:41:12.060 --> 00:41:14.550
through this kind of lens, and with

00:41:14.550 --> 00:41:18.020
a little bit more intention on that.

00:41:18.020 --> 00:41:20.730
I also wanna echo, because
it is something I noted based

00:41:20.730 --> 00:41:24.610
on the poll that Sam,
that Stan, sorry, Stan,

00:41:24.610 --> 00:41:28.030
that Stan had mentioned
about being a little surprised

00:41:28.030 --> 00:41:30.530
that there aren't more
carrier participants today.

00:41:31.780 --> 00:41:33.060
I thought there would be.

00:41:33.060 --> 00:41:36.030
And I'm hoping that we can, through all

00:41:36.030 --> 00:41:38.310
of our different ways,
encourage carriers

00:41:38.310 --> 00:41:40.660
to participate more
meaningfully on this issue.

00:41:43.928 --> 00:41:46.280
And finally, wanna thank
you guys for having this,

00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:48.380
and including the telecom issues here,

00:41:48.380 --> 00:41:52.670
because, I'll admit, as
somebody that does all telecom

00:41:52.670 --> 00:41:54.870
in front of the Commission, it wasn't

00:41:54.870 --> 00:41:57.740
a hundred percent clear to
me when the ESJ plan came out,

00:41:57.740 --> 00:42:01.350
except for maybe one
line in the document,

00:42:01.350 --> 00:42:03.480
that the Commission really intended to

00:42:04.620 --> 00:42:06.460
have this really fully be applied

00:42:06.460 --> 00:42:09.690
to the work that the Commission
does on telecommunications.

00:42:09.690 --> 00:42:12.220
So I think the more that
we could talk about it,

00:42:12.220 --> 00:42:13.680
the more that it is brought up

00:42:13.680 --> 00:42:15.530
in formal Commission documents

00:42:15.530 --> 00:42:18.180
and these kinds of forums, the better.

00:42:18.180 --> 00:42:19.950
So thank you for having this today,

00:42:19.950 --> 00:42:22.700
and look forward to
talking about this more

00:42:22.700 --> 00:42:25.160
in a bunch of different arenas.

00:42:27.290 --> 00:42:28.123
<v ->Thank you.</v>

00:42:28.123 --> 00:42:29.120
And with that, Martha, I see

00:42:29.120 --> 00:42:30.990
that you have your hand up again.

00:42:37.710 --> 00:42:38.543
<v ->Okay.</v>

00:42:38.543 --> 00:42:40.670
Well, I just wanted to
say that I was kind of

00:42:40.670 --> 00:42:45.670
in agreement with having
some type of a governing board

00:42:46.550 --> 00:42:49.140
of sorts, whether it
be like, for example,

00:42:49.140 --> 00:42:52.220
the air board, our local air
board has a Commission,

00:42:52.220 --> 00:42:56.310
or a table, that actually works
more at a grassroots level

00:42:56.310 --> 00:42:58.610
with CBOs understanding
of what are the needs

00:42:58.610 --> 00:43:01.390
of the community, so that
when these things happen,

00:43:01.390 --> 00:43:04.470
there's already a direct
voice to the community

00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:10.400
for intervention, for
support, because a lot

00:43:10.730 --> 00:43:13.380
of these families did not get a how-to,

00:43:13.380 --> 00:43:15.930
we got the service, but we
didn't know how to navigate.

00:43:15.930 --> 00:43:18.870
And that was part of our support,

00:43:18.870 --> 00:43:20.760
as Catholic Charities,
we support our community

00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:22.440
by giving them the resources in how

00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:24.390
to navigate through these systems,

00:43:24.390 --> 00:43:27.930
how to log on, there is a
email associated to your phone.

00:43:27.930 --> 00:43:29.690
This is how you can use Zoom.

00:43:29.690 --> 00:43:31.210
This is how you can use WhatsApp,

00:43:31.210 --> 00:43:32.900
the different applications.

00:43:32.900 --> 00:43:34.880
And I think that if these companies

00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:37.080
are getting money from
selling these products,

00:43:37.080 --> 00:43:38.850
they should be able to support

00:43:38.850 --> 00:43:41.310
the community with these resources.

00:43:41.310 --> 00:43:44.610
And being a Commission
for public utilities,

00:43:44.610 --> 00:43:47.390
I would think that we would be afforded

00:43:47.390 --> 00:43:49.510
an opportunity to be part of these,

00:43:49.510 --> 00:43:53.560
like a table of sorts,
that would kind of work

00:43:53.560 --> 00:43:55.690
as a liaison with the community,

00:43:55.690 --> 00:43:57.820
at understanding these needs.

00:43:57.820 --> 00:44:00.440
Also, I just wanted to
mention that I did notice

00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:04.140
that your budget was
stating something about 40%,

00:44:04.140 --> 00:44:08.280
only 40% prior to COVID,
that you had people

00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:10.880
on the Lifeline program,
or that you were concerned

00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:14.850
about having more numbers
show the use of Lifeline.

00:44:14.850 --> 00:44:17.370
Well, a lot of times, people don't know

00:44:17.370 --> 00:44:20.520
about these resources
because they're not given

00:44:20.520 --> 00:44:22.780
an opportunity through language.

00:44:22.780 --> 00:44:26.260
And I know that that it is in Spanish,

00:44:26.260 --> 00:44:28.820
but the way it's scripted,
and the way it's written,

00:44:28.820 --> 00:44:32.360
it's very cumbersome for even
a person that reads Spanish

00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:35.020
to understand how to
navigate through the system.

00:44:35.020 --> 00:44:37.840
So it's important for us to really look

00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:42.160
at how we're prototyping
those applications and forms,

00:44:42.160 --> 00:44:45.720
so that people could be more readily apt

00:44:45.720 --> 00:44:47.350
to use these applications.

00:44:47.350 --> 00:44:50.950
And if you could also raise more

00:44:50.950 --> 00:44:54.440
of an opportunity for CBOs
to engage with the community,

00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:57.980
and probably get some
type of stipend more, I guess,

00:44:57.980 --> 00:45:01.620
more lucrative for those
that are needing that support,

00:45:01.620 --> 00:45:05.010
and also in the sense that
if we're having people out

00:45:05.010 --> 00:45:08.310
at public parking lots,
selling free phones,

00:45:08.310 --> 00:45:11.530
why can't we get people to
come out and enroll people

00:45:11.530 --> 00:45:14.280
into Lifeline, and give the
people that are really hungry

00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:17.740
and needy of an opportunity
for employment to take that

00:45:17.740 --> 00:45:21.020
as an outlet for, or some type

00:45:21.020 --> 00:45:23.490
of support, financial support?

00:45:23.490 --> 00:45:24.323
Thank you.

00:45:28.640 --> 00:45:29.473
<v ->Thank you.</v>

00:45:29.473 --> 00:45:32.270
And I wanna give folks
the 10 minute warning here.

00:45:32.270 --> 00:45:36.647
And Leslie Martinez, see
your comment in the chat

00:45:37.980 --> 00:45:42.520
about a need or way to
target black, indigenous,

00:45:42.520 --> 00:45:45.580
and people of color
communities on the issue.

00:45:45.580 --> 00:45:47.570
Would you like to speak now?

00:45:51.150 --> 00:45:52.380
<v Leslie>I'm happy
to let other folks,</v>

00:45:52.380 --> 00:45:55.780
who haven't had a chance
to participate, go first.

00:45:57.070 --> 00:45:58.710
I'm writing a few
things in the comments,

00:45:58.710 --> 00:45:59.710
just for the record.

00:46:00.810 --> 00:46:01.643
<v ->Okay, great.</v>

00:46:01.643 --> 00:46:03.380
And I encourage everyone to do that,

00:46:03.380 --> 00:46:04.630
if you would like somebody to add.

00:46:04.630 --> 00:46:07.000
And so, with that, Abigail Solis.

00:46:09.330 --> 00:46:10.420
<v ->Thank you.</v>

00:46:10.420 --> 00:46:12.590
I'm Abigail Solis with
Self-Help Enterprises.

00:46:12.590 --> 00:46:15.790
We are a community-based organization

00:46:15.790 --> 00:46:17.090
in the San Joaquin Valley.

00:46:18.710 --> 00:46:21.370
I think it was well
said at the beginning

00:46:21.370 --> 00:46:26.370
of this webinar, that
there is still a huge gap,

00:46:26.720 --> 00:46:28.940
in terms of access and affordability,

00:46:28.940 --> 00:46:33.940
to broadband internet
in the poor communities,

00:46:34.220 --> 00:46:36.210
specifically the rural communities

00:46:36.210 --> 00:46:37.810
in the San Joaquin Valley.

00:46:37.810 --> 00:46:41.030
And I think that where the
CPUC is doing a really good job

00:46:41.030 --> 00:46:44.840
in moving forward equity and access

00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:47.650
in other areas, I think
this is the one area

00:46:47.650 --> 00:46:51.480
where they're struggling
to catch up, in all honesty.

00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:54.370
I do recognize the
recent efforts, but I think

00:46:54.370 --> 00:46:57.690
there's still a lot
more work to be done.

00:46:57.690 --> 00:46:59.110
As was said earlier,

00:46:59.110 --> 00:47:01.540
the pandemic exposed
many vulnerabilities

00:47:01.540 --> 00:47:05.550
within connections,
connectivity to internet,

00:47:05.550 --> 00:47:10.000
but, and a response to
that, many communities

00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:12.430
had to figure it out on their own.

00:47:12.430 --> 00:47:15.160
And because of that, they figured,

00:47:15.160 --> 00:47:18.700
they used really unique examples

00:47:18.700 --> 00:47:22.530
and unique projects
came out of their response.

00:47:22.530 --> 00:47:24.380
And we have examples of communities

00:47:24.380 --> 00:47:27.430
that worked together
with schools to create,

00:47:27.430 --> 00:47:30.960
you know, the school
made their signal public,

00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:33.450
so that the community can tap into it.

00:47:33.450 --> 00:47:37.050
We have examples where
local businesses worked

00:47:37.050 --> 00:47:41.770
with schools and the community
residents to give access.

00:47:41.770 --> 00:47:45.880
We have examples of where
buses were put in different areas

00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:50.210
of the communities to
make a signal available

00:47:50.210 --> 00:47:53.560
to certain areas of town
that did not have connectivity.

00:47:53.560 --> 00:47:54.710
And I'm just wondering,

00:47:56.350 --> 00:48:00.870
could we take these examples
and make an opportunity

00:48:00.870 --> 00:48:04.920
for disadvantaged communities
that just have been left out,

00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:08.840
could there be a pot
of money for proposals

00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:11.410
or projects that include these types

00:48:11.410 --> 00:48:13.820
of partnerships, where you can have

00:48:13.820 --> 00:48:16.080
a school, a local agency, a CBO,

00:48:16.080 --> 00:48:19.140
and a provider maybe all work together.

00:48:19.140 --> 00:48:23.010
And perhaps, this
kind of project would be,

00:48:23.010 --> 00:48:25.420
there would be residents and communities

00:48:25.420 --> 00:48:28.130
that are interested in
these types of projects.

00:48:28.130 --> 00:48:29.610
And of course, if you're gonna do this,

00:48:29.610 --> 00:48:33.570
ensure that there's funding
for technical assistance

00:48:33.570 --> 00:48:35.000
throughout the whole process,

00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.370
so that these projects
can really come to fruition.

00:48:37.370 --> 00:48:38.980
So, I would really love to see some sort

00:48:38.980 --> 00:48:41.790
of opportunity for a more
collaborative partnership type

00:48:41.790 --> 00:48:43.460
of project at the CTUC.

00:48:43.460 --> 00:48:44.293
Thank you.

00:48:49.790 --> 00:48:50.730
<v ->Thank you.</v>

00:48:50.730 --> 00:48:55.440
Are there other folks who
would like to speak now?

00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:56.540
We have about five minutes

00:48:56.540 --> 00:48:59.168
of the discussion section remaining.

00:48:59.168 --> 00:49:00.001
<v ->Michael?</v>

00:49:00.001 --> 00:49:00.834
<v ->Yeah?</v>

00:49:00.834 --> 00:49:01.667
<v ->If there isn't anybody.</v>

00:49:01.667 --> 00:49:02.870
I do have a question.

00:49:02.870 --> 00:49:04.480
This is Sarah Sharpe, and I work

00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:07.740
on telecommunications
issues for the Commissioner.

00:49:07.740 --> 00:49:10.450
I was just wondering, a few of

00:49:10.450 --> 00:49:12.210
the comments I have written down,

00:49:12.210 --> 00:49:14.310
and I'm gonna try to
summarize them later,

00:49:15.500 --> 00:49:20.500
are about engaging CBOs
and some of our programs better.

00:49:22.870 --> 00:49:24.910
And I was wondering if anybody's aware

00:49:24.910 --> 00:49:27.850
that we do have an admin committee

00:49:27.850 --> 00:49:29.350
for the Lifeline program, for example,

00:49:29.350 --> 00:49:32.830
that has a little bit of
vacancies on it for CBOs,

00:49:32.830 --> 00:49:37.780
for example, as well as
we have local consortia,

00:49:37.780 --> 00:49:40.010
who represent each
region, who are supposed

00:49:40.010 --> 00:49:43.310
to be helping communities
figure out kind of

00:49:43.310 --> 00:49:45.440
what Abbie just recommended.

00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:47.710
We have one from Silicon
Valley based out of Fresno state.

00:49:47.710 --> 00:49:49.220
So I was wondering if you all are aware

00:49:49.220 --> 00:49:54.080
of that and have
worked with them at all?

00:49:57.090 --> 00:49:58.860
<v ->And so, with that, we
have some hands up.</v>

00:49:58.860 --> 00:50:03.250
And if we could go, Leslie,
then Stan, then Wylen.

00:50:03.250 --> 00:50:05.770
And just be cognizant of
the amount of time remaining,

00:50:05.770 --> 00:50:07.830
because we have about three minutes left

00:50:07.830 --> 00:50:09.180
for the discussion portion.

00:50:10.810 --> 00:50:11.643
<v Leslie>Yeah.</v>

00:50:11.643 --> 00:50:15.830
I can't speak to Sarah's
question, but I haven't engaged,

00:50:15.830 --> 00:50:19.260
but I would really appreciate
that information, Sarah,

00:50:19.260 --> 00:50:22.090
if you could share it.

00:50:22.090 --> 00:50:24.220
And, really quickly,
think one of the most,

00:50:24.220 --> 00:50:25.860
something that I would
really like to make clear

00:50:25.860 --> 00:50:28.390
is that although I
understand that school,

00:50:29.630 --> 00:50:30.800
and I wrote this in the comments,

00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:32.770
but I just wanna emphasize how broadband

00:50:32.770 --> 00:50:35.070
is really starting to
intersect with more

00:50:35.070 --> 00:50:40.070
than just solely school age
children, transportation apps

00:50:40.500 --> 00:50:43.620
having access to even your government

00:50:43.620 --> 00:50:46.140
is slowly becoming more reliant.

00:50:46.140 --> 00:50:48.480
And frankly, to be really honest,

00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:51.940
as I hear more about people
adopting work from home,

00:50:51.940 --> 00:50:55.720
I hear more folks
talking about participation

00:50:55.720 --> 00:51:00.720
through web instead of
in-person, post-COVID,

00:51:01.240 --> 00:51:03.720
that cannot, that is going to create

00:51:03.720 --> 00:51:05.880
the same inequities
that we've always had.

00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:07.260
The same folks who have been able

00:51:07.260 --> 00:51:09.450
to engage will continue to engage

00:51:09.450 --> 00:51:11.760
while leaving the same
folks out, which are black,

00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:14.940
indigenous, and people of
color, monolingual immigrants,

00:51:14.940 --> 00:51:17.610
like all the people that we
need to hear from the most.

00:51:17.610 --> 00:51:18.840
So, just wanting to make sure that

00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:21.210
as we move forward with these
type of programs, we keep that

00:51:21.210 --> 00:51:23.830
in mind, that it's not
just focusing on children,

00:51:23.830 --> 00:51:26.870
but instead of focusing on
how can everyone be part

00:51:26.870 --> 00:51:29.480
of the information that is out there,

00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:31.460
'cause the broadband is a public good.

00:51:31.460 --> 00:51:32.500
Thank you.

00:51:40.790 --> 00:51:41.890
<v ->And with that, Stan.</v>

00:51:43.910 --> 00:51:45.310
<v Stan>Yeah, I wrote
them in the chat,</v>

00:51:45.310 --> 00:51:46.760
but just to touch on that.

00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:50.980
I think we've got more reports of some

00:51:50.980 --> 00:51:53.490
of the service providers upselling

00:51:53.490 --> 00:51:56.680
the low income persons that applied

00:51:56.680 --> 00:51:58.650
to the low income services.

00:51:58.650 --> 00:52:03.650
And some of those
rules need to be revisited,

00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:06.740
and there should be some
strict prohibitions against that.

00:52:06.740 --> 00:52:08.790
But the stories there are so marginal

00:52:08.790 --> 00:52:11.180
that I can't blame
them for wanting to go

00:52:11.180 --> 00:52:14.800
from a four meg to a six or eight meg,

00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.930
but that's really about
the ceiling right there.

00:52:17.930 --> 00:52:20.820
The other one is the definition

00:52:20.820 --> 00:52:22.950
of when they advertise their services.

00:52:22.950 --> 00:52:26.280
They say you get up to
six megs, or up to 12 megs,

00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:27.790
well, but you're probably gonna get

00:52:27.790 --> 00:52:29.880
like half that on a normal day.

00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:32.660
And you'll be fortunate
if you get the max.

00:52:32.660 --> 00:52:35.220
Finally, just, I used the
(murmurs) California,

00:52:35.220 --> 00:52:39.700
the CPUC's broadband map,
and I find that it's very helpful.

00:52:39.700 --> 00:52:42.230
It could be a little more
user-friendly, but it really,

00:52:42.230 --> 00:52:44.530
there's a lot of places
where there's no data.

00:52:44.530 --> 00:52:46.550
Some of the data almost
seems like it's more

00:52:46.550 --> 00:52:51.200
of the industry data or
industry's talking points.

00:52:51.200 --> 00:52:53.020
I don't wanna get into that too much.

00:52:53.020 --> 00:52:55.410
I'm not criticizing
it, it's a good effort.

00:52:55.410 --> 00:52:59.400
I just think it needs more
testing, ubiquitous testing,

00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:03.250
and proving that it's
what are they offering?

00:53:03.250 --> 00:53:08.250
Are they meeting those
threshold speeds and services,

00:53:08.770 --> 00:53:09.603
et cetera?

00:53:09.603 --> 00:53:10.940
I'd like to see that improved.

00:53:16.530 --> 00:53:17.363
<v ->And Wylen.</v>

00:53:18.570 --> 00:53:21.150
<v ->Yeah, I just wanted
to take some time</v>

00:53:21.150 --> 00:53:24.014
to acknowledge some of the
comments that were made.

00:53:24.014 --> 00:53:25.970
In particular, I jotted down some notes.

00:53:25.970 --> 00:53:29.010
First and foremost, regarding CTF,

00:53:29.010 --> 00:53:31.900
it is something that we do
continuously wanna look at,

00:53:31.900 --> 00:53:34.840
to how we want to make
sure our program better

00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:38.080
reach the communities that needed it.

00:53:38.080 --> 00:53:40.750
We have been looking
at goals and metrics

00:53:40.750 --> 00:53:43.290
in our program, and we do believe

00:53:43.290 --> 00:53:45.030
that some of the metrics that we have

00:53:45.030 --> 00:53:46.310
in the affordability proceeding

00:53:46.310 --> 00:53:47.760
can be utilized towards that.

00:53:48.724 --> 00:53:52.860
I will also say that
with regards to Lifeline,

00:53:52.860 --> 00:53:54.330
I think there was a comment made

00:53:54.330 --> 00:53:59.330
by Martha, regarding
languages and just the need

00:53:59.690 --> 00:54:03.650
to have different language
to us, to access the public.

00:54:03.650 --> 00:54:06.620
I just wanted to mention
that the CARE pilot

00:54:06.620 --> 00:54:10.530
did utilize a partner in
content center operated

00:54:10.530 --> 00:54:14.760
by CSU Fresno, and they
are hiring some representatives

00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:18.450
that are bilingual and trilingual,

00:54:18.450 --> 00:54:20.350
and will be trying to hit
some of the communities

00:54:20.350 --> 00:54:23.650
that are in need of
those language needs.

00:54:23.650 --> 00:54:26.200
So I think bit by bit, we
are making those efforts.

00:54:27.161 --> 00:54:29.520
And lastly, I want to
kind of address some

00:54:29.520 --> 00:54:32.300
of the costs issues that Martha, Leslie,

00:54:32.300 --> 00:54:35.180
and practically everyone
has brought up is that,

00:54:35.180 --> 00:54:38.100
I also, in doing the
affordability proceedings,

00:54:38.100 --> 00:54:41.230
I also noticed that in some areas,

00:54:41.230 --> 00:54:44.050
where you're looking at
essential service broadband

00:54:44.050 --> 00:54:46.450
at 25 Mbps down can cost upwards

00:54:46.450 --> 00:54:48.880
of a hundred dollars a month.

00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:52.330
And those are communities
that makes 20,000 per year

00:54:52.330 --> 00:54:54.150
on an average income.

00:54:54.150 --> 00:54:56.090
So, I think we are seeing a lot

00:54:56.090 --> 00:54:58.500
of those discrepancies,
and we're hoping some

00:54:58.500 --> 00:55:00.930
of the findings from the
affordability proceeding,

00:55:00.930 --> 00:55:02.870
in the upcoming annual
report will help really

00:55:02.870 --> 00:55:04.470
address that and highlight that.

00:55:05.412 --> 00:55:07.660
And on that same note, I think a lot

00:55:07.660 --> 00:55:11.470
of the programs within the
Commission, as well as a lot

00:55:11.470 --> 00:55:15.140
of the action items on the
CSJ plan can also use some

00:55:15.140 --> 00:55:17.940
of those metrics to assess what people

00:55:17.940 --> 00:55:20.270
are actually paying,
and is it affordable?

00:55:21.190 --> 00:55:23.230
And I think that's something that

00:55:23.230 --> 00:55:25.810
we definitely will look for in trying

00:55:25.810 --> 00:55:27.420
to shape our future action items

00:55:27.420 --> 00:55:29.900
and actually make it a
little bit more measurable,

00:55:29.900 --> 00:55:32.740
and applicable, and
also maybe get to more

00:55:32.740 --> 00:55:36.150
a results oriented outcome out of it.

00:55:36.150 --> 00:55:37.490
Just wanna plug that in.

00:55:37.490 --> 00:55:39.690
I really appreciate
all the feedback so far.

00:55:44.940 --> 00:55:48.140
<v ->And apologies
for my potentially</v>

00:55:48.140 --> 00:55:50.440
overeager time management too.

00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:53.050
We have a few minutes remaining,

00:55:53.050 --> 00:55:55.760
if anyone has closing comments,

00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:57.560
otherwise we can transition to Sarah,

00:55:57.560 --> 00:55:59.930
and give her a little bit for time

00:55:59.930 --> 00:56:03.300
to hopefully not breathlessly summarize.

00:56:03.300 --> 00:56:04.800
So, before we do, Leslie.

00:56:06.290 --> 00:56:07.180
<v ->Hi, sorry.</v>

00:56:08.036 --> 00:56:09.330
I think the last thing
that I wanna end with,

00:56:09.330 --> 00:56:11.270
and Wylen, it came from your comment,

00:56:11.270 --> 00:56:14.380
is regarding when we think
about being cost-effective.

00:56:14.380 --> 00:56:16.830
Frankly, I believe that
cost-effective strategies

00:56:16.830 --> 00:56:20.180
through the CPU tend to
reinforce the racist policies

00:56:20.180 --> 00:56:21.490
that created these problems in

00:56:21.490 --> 00:56:23.620
the beginning and in the first place.

00:56:23.620 --> 00:56:26.320
I think it also strengthens the stigmas

00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:29.350
and the idea that not
everyone is deserving

00:56:29.350 --> 00:56:32.160
of a type of service, because they...

00:56:35.720 --> 00:56:39.740
based on where they're at
in the geographic location.

00:56:39.740 --> 00:56:43.430
And in reality, I think that comes from

00:56:43.430 --> 00:56:47.810
the idea that the CPUC is
giving something to folks,

00:56:47.810 --> 00:56:50.530
or they're being forced
to provide a service,

00:56:50.530 --> 00:56:53.540
when in reality, the
policies that we're trying

00:56:53.540 --> 00:56:54.770
to correct through these types

00:56:54.770 --> 00:56:59.680
of programs are to try to
correct the past of poor planning

00:56:59.680 --> 00:57:03.400
and poor built relationships
with communities.

00:57:03.400 --> 00:57:06.590
So, I understand the cost effectiveness,

00:57:06.590 --> 00:57:09.910
but I also think that as a agency,

00:57:09.910 --> 00:57:14.860
that needs to be rethought,
about why we use it,

00:57:14.860 --> 00:57:17.910
and what it is that we
are reinforcing when we try

00:57:17.910 --> 00:57:21.690
to always push forward
a cost-effective strategy,

00:57:21.690 --> 00:57:25.380
because if we continue to
work in that type of a framework,

00:57:25.380 --> 00:57:28.780
then we are going to consistently
see the same problems,

00:57:28.780 --> 00:57:31.010
and we are going to
consistently have to,

00:57:32.950 --> 00:57:34.600
they're just going to bring up more,

00:57:34.600 --> 00:57:38.070
I think, of the inequalities
that we continue to see today.

00:57:38.070 --> 00:57:38.903
Thank you.

00:57:43.170 --> 00:57:44.790
<v ->And Sarah, we'll go
to you in a moment.</v>

00:57:44.790 --> 00:57:47.950
I do want to highlight, at the
request of some colleagues,

00:57:47.950 --> 00:57:52.180
the comments for community-based
organization openings

00:57:52.180 --> 00:57:54.720
on the Lifeline
Administrative Committee.

00:57:54.720 --> 00:57:59.050
So the two contacts are
Caleb Jones and Mary Rodman.

00:57:59.050 --> 00:58:01.440
Those are in the chat,

00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:03.770
and their emails would also be available

00:58:03.770 --> 00:58:07.310
on the PUC's Lifeline contacts.

00:58:08.550 --> 00:58:11.300
With that, Sarah, if you would like

00:58:11.300 --> 00:58:13.500
to cover summarizing
<v ->Okay, wow.</v>

00:58:13.500 --> 00:58:15.250
<v ->Some of the
comments and actions.</v>

00:58:16.620 --> 00:58:17.660
<v ->Sure.</v>

00:58:17.660 --> 00:58:18.493
I'll do my best.

00:58:18.493 --> 00:58:21.280
I want to acknowledge
that that was a lot.

00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:24.490
And I really appreciate,
especially the new voices

00:58:24.490 --> 00:58:25.850
that we haven't traditionally heard

00:58:25.850 --> 00:58:29.070
on in our Telco conversations,

00:58:29.070 --> 00:58:31.040
but everybody who's participated today.

00:58:31.040 --> 00:58:34.810
So, I also have more detailed notes,

00:58:34.810 --> 00:58:37.080
and I know Pilar is also taking notes,

00:58:37.080 --> 00:58:38.700
and there will be other opportunities

00:58:38.700 --> 00:58:42.020
to provide feedback on
these ESJ action plan.

00:58:42.020 --> 00:58:44.520
But in summary for what I heard today,

00:58:45.650 --> 00:58:48.660
the first thing I heard,
which I overarch

00:58:49.510 --> 00:58:53.930
is that the ESJ considerations should be

00:58:53.930 --> 00:58:57.370
a lens that is applied across
all public purpose programs

00:58:57.370 --> 00:59:01.080
in telecommunications,
including CTF, DDTP, CASF.

00:59:02.970 --> 00:59:04.620
The next thing is that CPUC,

00:59:06.657 --> 00:59:08.810
and this could be an action, for sure,

00:59:08.810 --> 00:59:12.760
it should increase our outreach
and engage more CBOs

00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:15.800
and the providers in more conversations

00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:19.670
about the ESJ action plan, goals,

00:59:21.163 --> 00:59:23.713
and how they apply to the
work that they are doing.

00:59:24.700 --> 00:59:26.810
For example, like Michael said,

00:59:26.810 --> 00:59:28.500
when I mentioned we do have

00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:35.290
some places where these
conversations happen

00:59:35.290 --> 00:59:38.210
that have been lacking
CDL participation,

00:59:38.210 --> 00:59:41.600
such as the, I think it's ULTSAC,

00:59:42.555 --> 00:59:43.520
which I can't remember what, I think

00:59:43.520 --> 00:59:47.560
it's Universal Lifeline
something Admin Committee.

00:59:47.560 --> 00:59:49.830
So, I can't remember all that.

00:59:49.830 --> 00:59:54.830
Uh-oh, I think I'm having a
problem with my microphone.

00:59:54.890 --> 00:59:56.990
Can you guys still hear me?

00:59:56.990 --> 00:59:58.490
<v ->Yeah, coming
through loud and clear.</v>

00:59:58.490 --> 01:00:01.590
And ULTS is a Universal
Lifeline Telephone Service.

01:00:02.826 --> 01:00:03.659
<v ->Okay.</v>

01:00:03.659 --> 01:00:05.430
Administrative Committee.

01:00:05.430 --> 01:00:08.120
As well as the CA regional consortia,

01:00:08.120 --> 01:00:12.760
which we do have representing
most regions in California.

01:00:14.420 --> 01:00:16.410
The next thing I heard was that there

01:00:16.410 --> 01:00:19.680
is interest in stipends
for CPOs to engage,

01:00:19.680 --> 01:00:22.020
and more technical assistance.

01:00:22.020 --> 01:00:23.810
So engage in a lot of different things,

01:00:23.810 --> 01:00:26.510
such as outreach for
Lifeline, for example,

01:00:27.850 --> 01:00:30.690
and more technical
assistance for local government

01:00:31.560 --> 01:00:35.350
and other jurisdictions
to help them apply

01:00:35.350 --> 01:00:39.210
for various programs to
increase access to broadband.

01:00:41.594 --> 01:00:45.730
I heard many mentions of affordability

01:00:45.730 --> 01:00:48.650
and digital literacy
are still a huge issue.

01:00:50.990 --> 01:00:55.700
I heard we are mapping that
we have available on our website

01:00:55.700 --> 01:01:00.700
or finding out where
services are available is good,

01:01:01.190 --> 01:01:05.130
but it needs more
ground-truthing, but it is helpful.

01:01:06.520 --> 01:01:09.320
And let's see if I skipped anything.

01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:11.540
The last thing I wrote
down, which I know there's,

01:01:11.540 --> 01:01:13.910
I probably missed a lot of things,

01:01:13.910 --> 01:01:15.440
but the last thing I wrote down is

01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:17.360
that the cost-effectiveness framework

01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:19.350
can reinforce systemic racism.

01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:26.400
So, I think if anybody,
we will also have a record

01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:30.550
of all of the (murmurs) that.

01:01:30.550 --> 01:01:33.820
And as far as next steps go,

01:01:36.330 --> 01:01:41.330
I know that we will be
taking this into consideration

01:01:42.610 --> 01:01:45.680
in the next version of the update.

01:01:45.680 --> 01:01:50.170
And, as mentioned earlier, a new process

01:01:50.170 --> 01:01:54.200
or a new way of
managing our proceedings,

01:01:54.200 --> 01:01:58.950
we are now considering ESJ impacts

01:01:58.950 --> 01:02:01.300
in the scope of all of our proceedings.

01:02:01.300 --> 01:02:04.740
So I think that that,
in itself, will begin

01:02:04.740 --> 01:02:09.010
to have universal impacts on all

01:02:09.010 --> 01:02:11.430
of these programs and proceedings.

01:02:11.430 --> 01:02:13.660
I don't know if the Commissioner
is still on, she was on,

01:02:13.660 --> 01:02:17.710
and I know she might wanna comment.

01:02:17.710 --> 01:02:20.660
I don't know if she's still here.

01:02:20.660 --> 01:02:21.870
<v ->Hi, yeah, sure.</v>

01:02:21.870 --> 01:02:22.970
Thank you everybody.

01:02:22.970 --> 01:02:24.940
So many of the things
that were mentioned

01:02:24.940 --> 01:02:29.000
are things that we know,
and as I sit and listen

01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:31.647
to everything, I just really look

01:02:34.020 --> 01:02:39.020
to you as this, in particular,
with this set of this sector,

01:02:39.680 --> 01:02:42.680
because our jurisdiction
is so constrained

01:02:42.680 --> 01:02:47.680
by the federal rules that,
maybe a bit of a unique approach

01:02:49.170 --> 01:02:53.430
about how we partner with
everyone to really ensure

01:02:53.430 --> 01:02:55.390
that, as I mentioned this morning,

01:02:55.390 --> 01:02:58.240
that the Biden
Administration provides us

01:02:58.240 --> 01:03:01.710
with more tools to be able to do exactly

01:03:01.710 --> 01:03:03.110
what everyone has mentioned,

01:03:04.150 --> 01:03:06.400
filling in the service gaps everywhere.

01:03:07.250 --> 01:03:10.190
So, but I thank you very much,

01:03:10.190 --> 01:03:14.150
and we absolutely do wanna keep digging

01:03:14.150 --> 01:03:17.090
in with the limited
jurisdiction that we do have.

01:03:17.090 --> 01:03:20.060
So, this is all good to hear where

01:03:20.060 --> 01:03:21.760
the areas of priorities should be.

01:03:31.170 --> 01:03:33.340
<v ->So, with that, we'll
leave the chat open</v>

01:03:33.340 --> 01:03:34.810
a little bit, if anyone wants to add

01:03:34.810 --> 01:03:38.180
any closing info to the record.

01:03:38.180 --> 01:03:41.470
So we really appreciate
the time and engagement

01:03:41.470 --> 01:03:43.720
and look forward to
continuing this discussion.

01:03:58.170 --> 01:04:00.110
<v ->So, my question is
where do we go from here?</v>

01:04:00.110 --> 01:04:02.430
'Cause so many times
we have these opportunities

01:04:02.430 --> 01:04:06.800
to be able to engage, but
we don't get any follow up,

01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:09.270
or any kind of like understanding

01:04:09.270 --> 01:04:11.340
of what you're going to
do with this information,

01:04:11.340 --> 01:04:15.800
because, we're left kind of
like sounds great in theory,

01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:20.800
but let's see how, going
beyond this workshop,

01:04:21.930 --> 01:04:23.700
but going beyond this conference,

01:04:23.700 --> 01:04:25.850
what are some of your plans?

01:04:25.850 --> 01:04:27.140
<v ->Yes, this is Sarah.</v>

01:04:27.140 --> 01:04:29.970
I could say for next
step that I had in mind,

01:04:29.970 --> 01:04:32.460
which I cannot promise
at this moment, 'cause I

01:04:32.460 --> 01:04:35.040
need to check in with my
boss, the Commissioner,

01:04:35.040 --> 01:04:38.730
but hearing, and I had
this in my mind before,

01:04:38.730 --> 01:04:43.090
but now that we know who
we've been struggling to find,

01:04:43.090 --> 01:04:45.460
those who work in
disadvantaged communities

01:04:45.460 --> 01:04:50.060
who are interested and working
on this issue, as you know,

01:04:50.060 --> 01:04:52.800
probably a lot of you didn't
work on it before the pandemic,

01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:55.700
and so I think that it
would be good to have

01:04:55.700 --> 01:04:59.270
a follow-up meeting, where
we can convene some of you all.

01:04:59.270 --> 01:05:03.170
And maybe we can work with Turn and have

01:05:03.170 --> 01:05:05.980
a followup discussion, but we do a lot

01:05:05.980 --> 01:05:08.880
of work, community by community,

01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:10.980
trying to get people connected.

01:05:10.980 --> 01:05:14.130
So we could do a follow-up workshop

01:05:14.130 --> 01:05:19.130
on maybe a general
telecommunication strategy workshop

01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:22.130
with what the Commissioner was

01:05:22.130 --> 01:05:24.820
just discussing about our strategy

01:05:24.820 --> 01:05:26.900
at the state and federal level

01:05:26.900 --> 01:05:29.230
for having to do with our jurisdiction.

01:05:29.230 --> 01:05:32.303
But, I don't know if that makes sense.

01:05:32.303 --> 01:05:34.420
(laughs)

01:05:34.420 --> 01:05:35.890
<v ->If I could just add to this,</v>

01:05:35.890 --> 01:05:37.680
if you're able to hear me with

01:05:37.680 --> 01:05:39.470
the background noise, I apologize.

01:05:39.470 --> 01:05:43.610
But the other opportunity is really

01:05:43.610 --> 01:05:46.180
are all the proceedings where,

01:05:46.180 --> 01:05:48.310
depending on which
topic you're talking about,

01:05:48.310 --> 01:05:51.640
I know Leslie mentioned the mobile homes

01:05:51.640 --> 01:05:55.480
as a gap, that kind of red
lining is something we're looking

01:05:55.480 --> 01:05:58.620
at within the Broadband
For All proceeding.

01:05:58.620 --> 01:06:01.240
I know you mentioned some of

01:06:01.240 --> 01:06:05.270
the Lifeline workers who are out there,

01:06:05.270 --> 01:06:06.980
in front of the stores fronts.

01:06:06.980 --> 01:06:08.750
We have a Lifeline proceeding.

01:06:08.750 --> 01:06:11.380
And those are venues very much where we

01:06:11.380 --> 01:06:13.080
could take some of your recommendations.

01:06:13.080 --> 01:06:16.630
So, at a minimum, I think
we're happy to follow up

01:06:16.630 --> 01:06:19.800
with folks directly to kind
of really assess where's

01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:22.270
the best venue for getting progress

01:06:22.270 --> 01:06:24.720
on that topic or for that
particular community,

01:06:25.620 --> 01:06:27.370
because it's gonna vary.

01:06:27.370 --> 01:06:29.450
So, I see Sarah just put her email

01:06:29.450 --> 01:06:33.310
into the chat as a, at a
minimum, that's a starting point,

01:06:33.310 --> 01:06:36.390
but, really, what we hope
you have the capacity

01:06:36.390 --> 01:06:39.050
to do is take the time to tell us

01:06:39.050 --> 01:06:42.200
how we should make,
update our work plan,

01:06:42.200 --> 01:06:44.840
and specifically deal with these issues.

01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:47.460
And part of our work
will be going through

01:06:47.460 --> 01:06:49.890
a process on determining what is

01:06:49.890 --> 01:06:52.750
that best pathway to work on the issue.

01:06:53.980 --> 01:06:55.240
So, there will be follow up, but

01:06:55.240 --> 01:07:00.240
it's gonna be a couple of steps away.

01:07:00.710 --> 01:07:03.080
But in the meantime, contact our office

01:07:03.080 --> 01:07:06.640
and we're happy to
work on issues directly.

01:07:06.640 --> 01:07:07.473
Thank you.

01:07:35.020 --> 01:07:38.000
<v ->Hey Sarah, do
we go back and join</v>

01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:40.420
the main session after this?

01:07:40.420 --> 01:07:41.370
<v ->Yes.</v>

01:07:41.370 --> 01:07:45.540
I would direct everybody to
go back to the Webex event

01:07:47.730 --> 01:07:49.130
that we had for this morning, I believe,

01:07:49.130 --> 01:07:51.350
I actually need to look
into how to join that,

01:07:51.350 --> 01:07:53.970
but there will be another session now.

01:07:53.970 --> 01:07:56.620
But I think on the
topic I just mentioned,

01:07:56.620 --> 01:08:01.620
of how yesterday
considerations will be incorporated

01:08:02.250 --> 01:08:04.590
into the proceedings moving forward.

01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:08.153
Thank you.

01:08:08.153 --> 01:08:10.480
I don't know if Michael or
Wylen has anything else?

01:08:11.820 --> 01:08:12.820
Thank you everybody.